Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Grits n Gravy]

I just hope we get some decent young assets+picks
And fire thibs!

I have absolutely zero faith in Tom's interest in the long term health of this team. He is absolute dog **** and has completely **** this team. He would trade Jimmy for a guy who got him 5 extra wins this season than a guy who would win us a championship in 3 years.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I don't blame the wolves for being patient on a jimmy trade if the reported offers were true, but you can't continue to let jimmy take a dump on the organization and the players who want to be here.

Tell him to stay at home until a trade is consummated. Im more than happy to move forward with wiggs and okogie starting for the rest of the year.

[twix2500]

I like playing with salaries, so here is an overly convoluted trade.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1763135
(Waive Wesley to bring in Joakim)

John Wall / Tyus Jones / Austin Rivers
Andrew Wiggins / Derrick Rose / James Nunnally
Josh Okogie / Solomon Hill / Luol Deng
Taj Gibson / Anthony Tolliver / Keita Bates-Diop
Karl-Anthony Towns / Joakim Noah / Justin Patton

Have three firsts next season to play with.

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That aside.....
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25162640/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-says-decide-whether-plays-back-back-set

Wall is a horrible fit for the Wolves roster just like Melo and Olidipo was to the Thunder. Wall has to be surrounded by off the ball scorers and Timberwolves literally have none.

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[Killboard]

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

KAT's clutch usage was 13.0 in games Jimmy played and 22.9 in games Jimmy didn't play.

Definitely a step in the right direction for a #2 option. Too bad the Wolves were 10-13 in those games. They were 37-21 in games Jimmy started aside from the one he blew out his meniscus against the Rockets.

Having the worst NBA defender to replace you will make your team missing you no matter what NBA player you are. Maybe if there was another average NBA wing the wolves would have ended above .500.

[Killboard]

Assists can only be achieved by timely scores. That's a major flaw in your argument. One of many.

Is a P&R league, Butler was featured on them 90% of the time and you are trying to tell me that KAT was passing shots to not give Butler assits?

I'm not telling you anything about offense under Thibs except that it doesn't change throughout the game. Only change is willing participants. Towns has shown to be unwilling in crunch time per your graphic. No other way to interpret it.

You dont have other ways to explain it. I have. Jimmy is an inmature, egoistic, hypocrite, maniac freak that only like things done his way. Maybe you cant see it because you are a Bulls fan, and lottery is boring, but is very clear to long time fans.

[AirP.]

I just hope we get some decent young assets+picks
And fire thibs!

I have absolutely zero faith in Tom's interest in the long term health of this team. He is absolute dog **** and has completely **** this team. He would trade Jimmy for a guy who got him 5 extra wins this season than a guy who would win us a championship in 3 years.

Once you trade Butler for less then he's worth, you don't have a shot at a championship. I very well doubt Minnesota will have 2 current all-nba players on the same roster after Butler is gone with Towns and Wiggins making the max.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

First of all, fire Thibodeau!!! Then
get a Butler trade done that brings back a decent young prospect with picks or unloads Dieng.
This team is going nowhere with Thibodeau and Butler on it anyway (they are a huge black cloud)

Let Wiggins pad his stats and up his value then trade him, Build around KAT and surround him with hard workers like Okogie

thats my dream scenario....but that would be almost impossible to pull off-everything past the trade jimmy part.

theres no market for Dieng.

theres no market for Andrew.

it is what it is. this team is likely handcuffed until at least 2020-21ish

[Indomitable]

OK, well you just go ahead and name these groups. I'm from Chicago. The voices I hear on the radio are just voices I hear on the radio. Who says they have a firm grasp about anything?

What would their opinions be if Jimmy was the face the Bulls? Bet they'd be different.
Mine wouldn't.

I"m guessing he's meaning Noah/Rose group vs Butler when Rose was nowhere near the same player but Rose and Noah felt he was while Butler was an all-star. The 2nd group would be the young group in Chicago who wouldn't pay attention and dance along the sidelines during a game and of course now, where it only seems that Towns has an issue with him.

Read on Twitter

2015-16 Bulls: couldn't get along with Rose/Noah/Gasol, couldn't play on the court with Rose so the team was dismantled. "What's so hard about PG, I can play PG". Rose traded etc etc

2016-17 Bulls: couldn't get along with Rondo, blasted the entire team (sound familiar?) save for Dwyane Wade. Alienated himself from the entire roster save for Wade. Talked about how many days he would come to practice and be quiet, withdrawn, pissy, said he didn't know why but that's just who he is sometimes (weird). That team dismantled, Butler traded away to Minnesota

2017-18 Timberwolves: couldn't get along with KAT or Wiggins, rumors of trying to bang KAT's girlfriend, called KAT a cancer, etc.

2018-19 Timberwolves: acting like a complete and utter **** and pouting because he wants to get traded.

That should sum it up for anyone else that is wondering what I mean.

Do you expect AirP to actually give you a non Jimmy answer? He is a true Butler convert. Butler leads like a 4 year old bully. Which is why he gets such push back.

[Indomitable]

So I'm talking about Butler's behavior, which was the original topic that you joined, and now you say I'm wrong and proceed to talk about:

The 2018 plan, the Bulls FO, badmouthing Thibs, Hoiberg playing Butler 37 minutes a game, the Bulls having the media around their finger, Jeff Gundy, the Bulls organization being nothing save for MJ and Rose and look at that, a Vinny Del Negro shout out.

Lordy. I'm out of this one, at ease gents

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

Lol yeah it's really annoying. We've had the best NBA fans for the longest and we get treated to cheap ownership who worries more about positive press than they ever did about contending for the past 2 decades. Hell, only reason we enjoyed the dynasty years was because Jordan and Pip played for peanuts. At least for the first 3 peat. I'm aware Rodman got paid and so did MJ in 97. Poor Pip had to get his money from Houston and Portland.

The Bulls made sure he got paid and put into a position to contend. We did a sign and trade for him to get paid. He would have got crap money without it. The Bulls made sure every single player off that roster got a good contract. We received nothing of value for Pippen.

When Randy Brown lost everything the Bulls stepped up.
Norm Van Lier end his career addict to pain killers.
Krause found him, got him cleaned up and got him a job. Norm said that. Pippen and Jordan had the misfortune to sign a contract before the jump in salaries.

Jordan was paid even when retired in 93. Randy Brown had lost everything and the Bulls got him possession and a job.

The Bulls maybe overly loyal to their front office but Jjimmy is an ****. No one likes him. He used to get knocked down no one had his back.

Jimmy is a great player but he is a jerk.

[Truebiscuit]

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

Lol yeah it's really annoying. We've had the best NBA fans for the longest and we get treated to cheap ownership who worries more about positive press than they ever did about contending for the past 2 decades. Hell, only reason we enjoyed the dynasty years was because Jordan and Pip played for peanuts. At least for the first 3 peat. I'm aware Rodman got paid and so did MJ in 97. Poor Pip had to get his money from Houston and Portland.

The Bulls made sure he got paid and put into a position to contend. We did a sign and trade for him to get paid. He would have got crap money without it. The Bulls made sure every single player off that roster got a good contract. We received nothing of value for Pippen.

When Randy Brown lost everything the Bulls stepped up.
Norm Van Lier end his career addict to pain killers.
Krause found him, got him cleaned up and got him a job. Norm said that. Pippen and Jordan had the misfortune to sign a contract before the jump in salaries.

Jordan was paid even when retired in 93. Randy Brown had lost everything and the Bulls got him possession and a job.

The Bulls maybe overly loyal to their front office but Jjimmy is an ****. No one likes him. He used to get knocked down no one had his back.

Jimmy is a great player but he is a jerk.

To add to your point, there is no reason that Will Perdue or Horace Grant should have announcing jobs for the Bulls. They are awful but Jerry is taking care of his "kids". Say what you want about him but I respect that.

[DaKid]

If this was 2k, I'd be figuring out a way to trade Butler to the king's for fox. They can absorb butlers contract with only shipping out fox and one of koufas or shumpert

[Indomitable]

Is a P&R league, Butler was featured on them 90% of the time and you are trying to tell me that KAT was passing shots to not give Butler assits?

I'm not telling you anything about offense under Thibs except that it doesn't change throughout the game. Only change is willing participants. Towns has shown to be unwilling in crunch time per your graphic. No other way to interpret it.

You dont have other ways to explain it. I have. Jimmy is an inmature, egoistic, hypocrite, maniac freak that only like things done his way. Maybe you cant see it because you are a Bulls fan, and lottery is boring, but is very clear to long time fans.

He is a Jimmy fan.

[Slim Tubby]

How are the Wizards not getting involved? They badly need change.

Personally, if we could somehow swap Jimmy "POS" Butler for Bradley Beal, that would be my ultimate "home run". The contracts for Wall and Porter are terrible. Wall will be making $47M per year in 2020/21. Yuck. My dream scenario:

C - KAT/Dieng
PF - Gibson/Tolliver
SF - Wiggins/Okogie
SG - Beal/Rose
PG - Teague/Jones


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[TruthSerum]

I'm not telling you anything about offense under Thibs except that it doesn't change throughout the game. Only change is willing participants. Towns has shown to be unwilling in crunch time per your graphic. No other way to interpret it.

You dont have other ways to explain it. I have. Jimmy is an inmature, egoistic, hypocrite, maniac freak that only like things done his way. Maybe you cant see it because you are a Bulls fan, and lottery is boring, but is very clear to long time fans.

He is a Jimmy fan.

Who called Capt Obvious over here?

[El Hespiritu]

There's nothing wrong on being a Jimmy fan.
Being a self-entitled Authorized Representative Of Long Time Fans looks far more questionable.

[Mrva]

How are the Wizards not getting involved? They badly need change.

Personally, if we could somehow swap Jimmy "POS" Butler for Bradley Beal, that would be my ultimate "home run". The contracts for Wall and Porter are terrible. Wall will be making $47M per year in 2020/21. Yuck. My dream scenario:

C - KAT/Dieng
PF - Gibson/Tolliver
SF - Wiggins/Okogie
SG - Beal/Rose
PG - Teague/Jones


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Agreed. Wonder if the Wizard would accept Butler + an asset for Beal. Like Butler and a 1st or Bulter + Okogie + 2nd.

[thinktank]

How are the Wizards not getting involved? They badly need change.

Personally, if we could somehow swap Jimmy "POS" Butler for Bradley Beal, that would be my ultimate "home run". The contracts for Wall and Porter are terrible. Wall will be making $47M per year in 2020/21. Yuck. My dream scenario:

C - KAT/Dieng
PF - Gibson/Tolliver
SF - Wiggins/Okogie
SG - Beal/Rose
PG - Teague/Jones


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It seems like Porter is the guy Wall and Beal are saying complains too much. I feel like he’s the stray bullet in Washington.

[Jstock12]

I just hope we get some decent young assets+picks
And fire thibs!

I have absolutely zero faith in Tom's interest in the long term health of this team. He is absolute dog **** and has completely **** this team. He would trade Jimmy for a guy who got him 5 extra wins this season than a guy who would win us a championship in 3 years.

That's why you don't let your coach be a GM too.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I just hope we get some decent young assets+pick=]pmkbn
And fire thibs!

I have absolutely zero faith in Tom's interest in the long term health of this team. He is absolute dog **** and has completely **** this team. He would trade Jimmy for a guy who got him 5 extra wins this season than a guy who would win us a championship in 3 years.

That's why you don't let your coach be a GM too.

Look I get why a GM/Coach thing works in theory. Coaches usually get canned first before GMs because the GM fails to get him quality talent so thibs wants to cover his own ass there.

[wesleyt95]

I just hope we get some decent young assets+picks
And fire thibs!

I have absolutely zero faith in Tom's interest in the long term health of this team. He is absolute dog **** and has completely **** this team. He would trade Jimmy for a guy who got him 5 extra wins this season than a guy who would win us a championship in 3 years.

That's why you don't let your coach be a GM too.

Scott Layden is the GM