Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

Post #1441 » by **miller31time** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:59 pm

I didn’t even realize that Ernie threw Wall a 15% trade kicker. So does that mean that, if traded, his 2022 salary would be 46mil + 15%, meaning over 52mil?

AFM · Post #1442 » by **AFM** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 6:18 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Being a student of Grunfeld, quite possible right now he's thinking of a big diversion.

Starting the Beal for Jimmy Butler rumor right now.

You clearly are not a grade A student. Anyone familiar with his work would know that he will trade the far better player (Porter).

AFM · Post #1443 » by **AFM** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 6:18 pm

miller31time wrote:I didn’t even realize that Ernie threw Wall a 15% trade kicker. So does that mean that, if traded, his 2022 salary would be 46mil + 15%, meaning over 52mil?

I didn't know that either. Why would he do that? He didn't need any leverage to resign Wall. What an expert negotiator.

trast66 · Post #1444 » by **trast66** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 6:33 pm

AFM wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:Being a student of Grunfeld, quite possible right now he's thinking of a big diversion.

Starting the Beal for Jimmy Butler rumor right now.

You clearly are not a grade A student. Anyone familiar with his work would know that he will trade the far better player (Porter).

Otto for sure on way out unless Ted kills it. Jimmy butler incoming with Otto and draft picks leaving.

Error Afflalo · Post #1445 » by **Error Afflalo** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 6:53 pm

miller31time wrote:I didn’t even realize that Ernie threw Wall a 15% trade kicker. So does that mean that, if traded, his 2022 salary would be 46mil + 15%, meaning over 52mil?

Trade kicker doesn't really factor in here because Wall will already be at the max.

FAH1223 · Post #1446 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:33 pm

COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

truwizfan4evr · Post #1447 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:39 pm

FAH1223 wrote:COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

or they secretly discussing a lifetime contract for Ernie lol

Post #1448 » by **nate33** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm

FAH1223 wrote:COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

I just can't believe Ted will let EG trade one of Wall or Beal for 75 cents on the dollar and still keep EG around. In 15 years, he has failed to instill a winning culture, he has failed on multiple occasions to find a good coach, and the talent he has acquired looks to have a ceiling well below 50 wins (and a floor of God knows how low) despite a payroll deep in the luxtax.

What we are seeing now is absolute confirmation that EG's vision is a failure. Trading Wall or Beal represents the end of the current era and the start of a new one. For the love of God, lets do this rebuild under new leadership.

truwizfan4evr · Post #1449 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:42 pm

nate33 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

I just can't believe Ted will let EG trade one of Wall or Beal for 75 cents on the dollar and still keep EG around. In 15 years, he has failed to instill a winning culture, he has failed on multiple occasions to find a good coach, and the talent he has acquired looks to have a ceiling well below 50 wins (and a floor of God knows how low) despite a payroll deep in the luxtax.

What we are seeing now is absolute confirmation that EG's vision is a failure. Trading Wall or Beal represents the end of the current era and the start of a new one. For the love of God, lets do this rebuild under new leadership.

You can't believe? I'm not shocked at all he's been doing it since 2005. won't be shock if he does it to when ever he wants to retired.

FAH1223 · Post #1450 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:53 pm

nate33 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

I just can't believe Ted will let EG trade one of Wall or Beal for 75 cents on the dollar and still keep EG around. In 15 years, he has failed to instill a winning culture, he has failed on multiple occasions to find a good coach, and the talent he has acquired looks to have a ceiling well below 50 wins (and a floor of God knows how low) despite a payroll deep in the luxtax.

What we are seeing now is absolute confirmation that EG's vision is a failure. Trading Wall or Beal represents the end of the current era and the start of a new one. For the love of God, lets do this rebuild under new leadership.

Read on Twitter

Wizfanman · Post #1451 » by **Wizfanman** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm

Wizards fans need to boycott the team until Ernie is gone. Thats probably the only thing that could possibly get him out of here.

Post #1452 » by **nate33** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:04 am

Read on Twitter

queridiculo · Post #1453 » by **queridiculo** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:39 am

nate33 wrote:

Read on Twitter

There's also this..

Read on Twitter

trast66 · Post #1454 » by **trast66** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:45 am

Wait, Ted gave Ernie an “A” for his off-season work. And Brooks thinks if the guys just try harder everything will be fine.

The nerve of Bradley Beal not wanting to waste his prime with this organization!

Post #1455 » by **nate33** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:57 am

queridiculo wrote:There's also this..

Read on Twitter

2.8 years is a long time. Hopefully, if EG and Brooks are fired, Wall is moved, and a one-year tank leads to a good lotto pick, the team can quickly rebuild in time for Beal to reconsider.

Coach76 · Post #1456 » by **Coach76** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:38 am

Read on Twitter

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Post #1457 » by **nate33** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:10 pm

I posted this on the trade thread in response to the argument that Beal was likely to leave, but probably belongs here:

The bottom line is that the Wizards, under Ernie Grunfeld, are a lousy organization and everyone knows it. NO decent free agent will play here unless the money being offered is substantially higher than on other teams. Basically, EVERY player who reaches unrestricted free agency will leave unless we offer significantly more money than anyone else.

What makes Beal's situation significant is that he will be a free agent that is limited by the max salary restriction, which means the Wizards will be unable to offer him significantly more than other teams. Ergo, he will leave.

The Wizards will never win a bid for a good unrestricted free agent as long as Ernie is around. In order to retain players, they must either be restricted (like Otto or Beal), or we must offer more money than others can (like Wall with the supermax, Gortat with the 5th year, Mahinmi's crazy salary, Jamison was paid a fortune when he was resigned, Meeks cost $3.5M when he was probably worth just the vet minimum). If we are unwilling or unable to offer a significant better salary than other teams, the player will leave (like Ariza and Nene).

Think about it. The last good free agent we acquired, on a reasonable salary, was Gilbert freaking Arenas in 2003.

closg00 · Post #1458 » by **closg00** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:35 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

or they secretly discussing a lifetime contract for Ernie lol

Ted and Ernie have some kind of irrevocable relationship that Ted refuses to part with, it’s too personal for Ted apparently.

Wizfanman · Post #1459 » by **Wizfanman** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:20 pm

closg00 wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:COULD WE GET A COUNTDOWN GOING

HE CAN'T BE HERE FOREVER, HE JUST CAN;T

or they secretly discussing a lifetime contract for Ernie lol

Ted and Ernie have some kind of irrevocable relationship that Ted refuses to part with, it’s too personal for Ted apparently.

WizarDynasty · Post #1460 » by **WizarDynasty** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:23 pm

Wall and neal have no hope of a championship without another true star front court player. Are only hope is draftZion. Why should they care what media thinks. Ernie hasn't brought in a two front court star in his entire career.
Beal and wall suck for one year and then be happy forthe next ten years dominating the league with zion.