Luka Dončić Discussion - Year 2

[Nikson]

Btw, I watched a short interview where Cuban says, that Luka loves american and italian food too much and they need to work on that Luka still at it I guess

I think, chitchatting. Distraction.

[Rn5ho]

Yet people ridiculed me when I hinted at potential jealousy about 10 days ago - and now everyone is talking about it

[Archx]

Yet people ridiculed me when I hinted at potential jealousy about 10 days ago - and now everyone is talking about it

On the other hand, RC just threw together a mix of players and gave them 2 set plays to run over the course of the game and the rest.. well you figure it out boys. It's simply not working. They are a complete mess. And when people ask RC what is actually Luka, he still says, well his position is on the floor... Yea because so far DAJ looked like a freaking PG in 50% of their games. Just doesn't work.

[Rn5ho]

Not disagreeing there at all - I'm noticing obvious coaching issues myself also as the game just looks without any sense for the most part - and especially RC seems to be unable to create the hierarchy system within the team. There's no clear leader and everyone seems to be fighting for that rather than just playing the game and trying to win.

Wes and DJ seem to be fighting for their next contract

Barnes to show that he's still the best player on the team

DSJ to show that he's still the n.1 prospect and the future of the team


I know this is probably biased and I'm not seeing issues on Luka's end maybe, but he's always been the kind of player that just wants to play, just wants to get along with everyone and win.

If we could somehow make a package for Butler, I think this would be perfect - Butler is a hard worker who wants to win, has the right mentality to put up with zero stat-padding bull and the kind of mentor that Luka could use in the team. Packing Wes and Barnes somehow could maybe get it done? And then simply move DFS into the starting lineup (or Kleber).

I'd not give up on DJ, I still think he's a valuable part of the team and maybe that rebound really was a mistake, but if he sets his priorities right, he could still be a valuable piece on rebounding/defensive end.

DSJ - Butler - DFS - Luka - DJ would be a really nice starting lineup.

Although, Wes might come to sense after the "rought talk" with GM now..

[burek3]

Btw, I watched a short interview where Cuban says, that Luka loves american and italian food too much and they need to work on that Luka still at it I guess

Yea, luckily he hasn't found čevaps and burek over there yet.

He might even start his own business, wouldn't be surprised

[agentofatlas]

Not disagreeing there at all - I'm noticing obvious coaching issues myself also as the game just looks without any sense for the most part - and especially RC seems to be unable to create the hierarchy system within the team. There's no clear leader and everyone seems to be fighting for that rather than just playing the game and trying to win.

Wes and DJ seem to be fighting for their next contract

Barnes to show that he's still the best player on the team

DSJ to show that he's still the n.1 prospect and the future of the team


I know this is probably biased and I'm not seeing issues on Luka's end maybe, but he's always been the kind of player that just wants to play, just wants to get along with everyone and win.

If we could somehow make a package for Butler, I think this would be perfect - Butler is a hard worker who wants to win, has the right mentality to put up with zero stat-padding bull and the kind of mentor that Luka could use in the team. Packing Wes and Barnes somehow could maybe get it done? And then simply move DFS into the starting lineup (or Kleber).

I'd not give up on DJ, I still think he's a valuable part of the team and maybe that rebound really was a mistake, but if he sets his priorities right, he could still be a valuable piece on rebounding/defensive end.

DSJ - Butler - DFS - Luka - DJ would be a really nice starting lineup.

Although, Wes might come to sense after the "rought talk" with GM now..

Wait a minute. You say that there is a hierarchy problem then you want to bring in Butler? The guy has butted heads with every young player from the bulls to the wolves. Also it's pretty apparent that he wants to become the man (paid like one too). I mean just look at his actions not his interviews. The guy is a premadonna without the Jordan or even Kobe skills to back it up.

I think the solution really is to go back to last season's offense. Slow it down a bit. Run more spread pick and roll.

[agentofatlas]

Yet people ridiculed me when I hinted at potential jealousy about 10 days ago - and now everyone is talking about it

You specifically singled out DSJ which is weird cause he is the only player who is constantly passing to Luka.

[arkuo]

Luka and DSJ needs to turn into Garry Harris and Jamal Murray and play like Denver.

[Pointguard01]

Yet people ridiculed me when I hinted at potential jealousy about 10 days ago - and now everyone is talking about it

You specifically singled out DSJ which is weird cause he is the only player who is constantly passing to Luka.

Agreed.

I do think it’s early. This isn’t even close to a Bradley Beal <> John Wall situation. Some of this will work itself out as both mature. They are 19 years old remember.

I’m more worried ab the player DSJ will be, much less him liking Luka.


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[Rn5ho]

Yet people ridiculed me when I hinted at potential jealousy about 10 days ago - and now everyone is talking about it

You specifically singled out DSJ which is weird cause he is the only player who is constantly passing to Luka.

Agreed.

I do think it’s early. This isn’t even close to a Bradley Beal <> John Wall situation. Some of this will work itself out as both mature. They are 19 years old remember.

I’m more worried ab the player DSJ will be, much less him liking Luka.


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At that time there were no signs from other players tho. I'm just saying, it was completely ridiculed when I pointed it out to start a discussion on it, but now even media is writing about it.

[Rn5ho]

Not disagreeing there at all - I'm noticing obvious coaching issues myself also as the game just looks without any sense for the most part - and especially RC seems to be unable to create the hierarchy system within the team. There's no clear leader and everyone seems to be fighting for that rather than just playing the game and trying to win.

Wes and DJ seem to be fighting for their next contract

Barnes to show that he's still the best player on the team

DSJ to show that he's still the n.1 prospect and the future of the team


I know this is probably biased and I'm not seeing issues on Luka's end maybe, but he's always been the kind of player that just wants to play, just wants to get along with everyone and win.

If we could somehow make a package for Butler, I think this would be perfect - Butler is a hard worker who wants to win, has the right mentality to put up with zero stat-padding bull and the kind of mentor that Luka could use in the team. Packing Wes and Barnes somehow could maybe get it done? And then simply move DFS into the starting lineup (or Kleber).

I'd not give up on DJ, I still think he's a valuable part of the team and maybe that rebound really was a mistake, but if he sets his priorities right, he could still be a valuable piece on rebounding/defensive end.

DSJ - Butler - DFS - Luka - DJ would be a really nice starting lineup.

Although, Wes might come to sense after the "rought talk" with GM now..

Wait a minute. You say that there is a hierarchy problem then you want to bring in Butler? The guy has butted heads with every young player from the bulls to the wolves. Also it's pretty apparent that he wants to become the man (paid like one too). I mean just look at his actions not his interviews. The guy is a premadonna without the Jordan or even Kobe skills to back it up.

I think the solution really is to go back to last season's offense. Slow it down a bit. Run more spread pick and roll.

I don't know the background from Bulls times, only what I heard and read about the Wolves situation this year. From my perspective, he's heavily competitive and expects nothing less than 100% from his teammates. He saw/sees potential in KAT and Wiggins, but can't stand that neither of them is giving their 100% every game while getting paid max contract - the potential is there to go a step further, but attitude is holding them back.

There might be more to it that I'm not aware of, but that's how I see it and in my opinion that's the right attitude, one that Luka has as well - give it your 100% every time you're on the court, no time for laziness and non-competitive mindset. Team success > all.

[Nikson]

We have a sore ankle and are not practicing today.

It won’t effect team performance at next game as he isn’t the one who need to practice.

[agentofatlas]

Not disagreeing there at all - I'm noticing obvious coaching issues myself also as the game just looks without any sense for the most part - and especially RC seems to be unable to create the hierarchy system within the team. There's no clear leader and everyone seems to be fighting for that rather than just playing the game and trying to win.

Wes and DJ seem to be fighting for their next contract

Barnes to show that he's still the best player on the team

DSJ to show that he's still the n.1 prospect and the future of the team


I know this is probably biased and I'm not seeing issues on Luka's end maybe, but he's always been the kind of player that just wants to play, just wants to get along with everyone and win.

If we could somehow make a package for Butler, I think this would be perfect - Butler is a hard worker who wants to win, has the right mentality to put up with zero stat-padding bull and the kind of mentor that Luka could use in the team. Packing Wes and Barnes somehow could maybe get it done? And then simply move DFS into the starting lineup (or Kleber).

I'd not give up on DJ, I still think he's a valuable part of the team and maybe that rebound really was a mistake, but if he sets his priorities right, he could still be a valuable piece on rebounding/defensive end.

DSJ - Butler - DFS - Luka - DJ would be a really nice starting lineup.

Although, Wes might come to sense after the "rought talk" with GM now..

Wait a minute. You say that there is a hierarchy problem then you want to bring in Butler? The guy has butted heads with every young player from the bulls to the wolves. Also it's pretty apparent that he wants to become the man (paid like one too). I mean just look at his actions not his interviews. The guy is a premadonna without the Jordan or even Kobe skills to back it up.

I think the solution really is to go back to last season's offense. Slow it down a bit. Run more spread pick and roll.

I don't know the background from Bulls times, only what I heard and read about the Wolves situation this year. From my perspective, he's heavily competitive and expects nothing less than 100% from his teammates. He saw/sees potential in KAT and Wiggins, but can't stand that neither of them is giving their 100% every game while getting paid max contract - the potential is there to go a step further, but attitude is holding them back.

There might be more to it that I'm not aware of, but that's how I see it and in my opinion that's the right attitude, one that Luka has as well - give it your 100% every time you're on the court, no time for laziness and non-competitive mindset. Team success > all.

He talks of good game but his actions has lead to more drama than the Mavs can afford. I mean read between the lines man. He threw his team under the bus on the guise of "working hard". He did this on two teams.

What the team needs right now are players that play within their role but are workhorses. Players Beverley, Ariza, Tucker etc.

[arkuo]

Philly lost to Brooklyn today and they seem to be experiencing the same dilemma as the Mavs. Play making from the PF position with not a lot of shooters surrounding Simmons. Markelle Fultz cant shoot to save his life, even Ben Simmons cant shoot beyond 8 feet. Lucky that Luka can bury that 3 pointer.

[Absinthe]

Barnes seems to be an all right guy. I don’t think he’s the source of any tension. DeAndre Jordan probably isn’t being malicious either—he’s just a dummy. Chris Paul butted heads with him constantly because of his lack of seriousness. He’s been on the receiving end of a lot of Doncic’s assists, and he’s trying to get paid, so he’s probably not icing him out.

Wes Matthews is a ballhog and is trying to inflate his stats to get another big contract. Cuban won’t make that mistake twice. That’s probably why Donnie got into a yelling match with him. I think DSJ is pissed because the ball has been taken out of his hands too. He was supposed to be handed the keys to the franchise and now he’s had to take a backseat.

You know what would have prevented all of this? If the envious and childish problem children would have played better last year Dallas wouldn’t have had an opportunity to swap picks in the first place. A bunch of overpaid role players who can’t put it together and are pissed because a young gun was drafted and the team should rightfully center around him.

I would no doubt trade every starter on this team other than Doncic and build around Brunson, Powell, and Doncic. I am sure if the Mavs are lucky enough to get Zion he won’t bitch about catching lobs from Doncic. Some egos need to be checked.

[arkuo]

The yelling match between Donnie and Wesley just means Wes is gone. Either by the trade deadline or when his deal is done in the summer.

Kevin Mchale said it best. It's a bit dicey when you put two 19 year olds in your backcourt. They need guidance and mentoring.

[Absinthe]

A lot of people on here have been critical of a Dragic trade, but I will take him over DSJ ten times out of ten. He’s just as good on defense, I trust him to make open jumpers and threes at a higher clip, I can’t see him complaining about a lack of touches, and he would be a better locker room guy. Get rid of the egos while you can still get something for them. Thank god this team has a lot of expiring contracts too.

[arkuo]

Thank god this team has a lot of expiring contracts too.

The team was built to have cleared the books by the 2021 free agency. Coincidentally that's when Giannis and Anthony Davis are also free agents. Hopefully by then Luka and DSJ have figured things out.

[wolfram]

So this team is made of bunch of players who will be gone next season.
A question for those familiar with the Mavericks: How many young players they developed into great players under Carlisle? Besides Dirk.

[mabundo_nagumbe]

A lot of people on here have been critical of a Dragic trade, but I will take him over DSJ ten times out of ten. He’s just as good on defense, I trust him to make open jumpers and threes at a higher clip, I can’t see him complaining about a lack of touches, and he would be a better locker room guy. Get rid of the egos while you can still get something for them. Thank god this team has a lot of expiring contracts too.

I don't think anybody doubts Dragic's ability to contribute right now. The question is, how much time of high level play does he have left? I think he is past his prime and his value will only go down, and his ability to produce will drop (is dropping slightly) aswell. Onthe other hand, DSJ can't get any worse if you ask me, he is still a raw prospect with a high cieling.