2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

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Post#581 » by Pillendreher » Sun Nov 4, 2018 2:01 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Look, grant is a lanky guy of course he's not setting huge screens. He's much better slipping if his defender shows at all, because he's quick, long and if he gets the ball on a pass with momentum to the rim, he's dunking it.


See, that's what I'm saying There's simply no room for this. That's why they have him out there on the perimeter.

hardenASG13 wrote:Getting guys open, or Westbrook or Schroeder having success getting into the lane, isn't a problem. Stop acting like the screening is more important than it is.


Screening is probably the most important thing for how this team is able to generate enough room to score. When everybody just stands around, you need screens to be able to attack the opposing defense.

hardenASG13 wrote:"Doesn't make momentum plays" doesn't mean looks unathletic. It means patterson rarely does it beyond hitting back to back 3s every 10 games or so. While not everything, when the other team is doing pull ups on the rim it does change the energy of the game and teams psyche some. It's something.


And how do you quantify said plays? Why do you think that Jerami Grant dunking once a game (I'm not making this up; per bbref, he has never even managed to dunk once per game) is somehow affecting both the Thunder and the opposing team? I've seen plenty of guys dunk against the Thunder. Is every dunk a "momentum play"? Or is it just dunks that make a player's athleticism really stand out?


hardenASG13 wrote:You will hear no counters from me that they need shooters around Westbrook, especially since adams is basically just an extension of Westbrook offensively (which is fine). I've been saying it for years. It's a shame they didn't when KD was here, they would've been the warriors. Patterson just isn't that guy. He hasn't been consistent in that role at all....wish he was.


Of course he is that guy. No, he's draining 5 3s every single game without exception. Yet as a Thunder he's shooting 38 % from 3. That's exactly what this team needs.

hardenASG13 wrote:Again the points on passing are really just saying 'I like this guy more than that guy'. Neither adams, roberson, or grant create much of anything with their passing game. To only criticize grant in that aspect is unfair. None of them are being relied on as playmakers, and itd be foolish if they were.


No, they are not. Yet the difference with those guys is they're doing stuff offensively that Grant isn't and they're both much better than him offensively. I'm talking about his passing as one skill that he might need to show if teams keep taking his drives away. He's not on his rookie salary anymore. He's making 9 million a year. And if all there is to him is driving/attacking the rim, which teams have been taking away because there is no shooting on the floor, then he needs to learn to do something else to help his team. He's not going to be able to live off of transition offense all season long.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#582 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 2:36 pm

3.5 years later does the Reggie Jackson trade even have a winner?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#583 » by slick_watts » Sun Nov 4, 2018 3:39 pm

in the half court, screening means a lot to this team especially when westbrook and george are in. donovan runs a spread pnr offense like he did in college with some modifications to account for shorter shot clock. we also run horns sometimes with the double high post which is also off-ball screen dependent. teams will always give russell westbrook the jump shot so creating vertical and horizontal space for the rest of the team is either a ) westbrook superhuman speed reliant or b ) screen reliant.

that grant is a very poor off ball screener relative to patterson does have an effect on the team's ability to create space, and puts a lot of pressure on westbrook as well as accurate and timely passing to get high quality shots.

the best offenses in the nba also tend to be the offenses that set the best executed screens. watch the warriors offense, or houston's last season. one of the reasons losing ariza hurt them so much aside from his shooting is that he is an excellent screener and they would often use him similar to how we used dre last year in those back screen situations to free up capela or tucker.
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Post#584 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 3:47 pm

slick_watts wrote:we also run horns sometimes with the double high post which is also off-ball screen dependent.

Is there anywhere that shows set type frequencies? Admittedly I haven't paid much attention to what we're running as a whole this year, but it seems like we've been running horns less each year since Billy took over.
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Post#585 » by Pillendreher » Sun Nov 4, 2018 4:10 pm

Speaking of Horns: Isn't this something they could be running for George?

"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#586 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 5:16 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Speaking of Horns: Isn't this something they could be running for George?

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I know for certain that this is a play Billy brought with him from Florida, and I believe we've ran it for Alex a few times, which makes me think PG may just not be comfortable with that shot.
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Post#587 » by Pillendreher » Sun Nov 4, 2018 6:14 pm

I'd say the Abrines one is a bit different:

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One thing I'm missing this season as well is George curling into a 3. Why aren't we giving him that shot anymore?
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Post#588 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 6:59 pm

Pillendreher wrote:I'd say the Abrines one is a bit different:

[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/dsZWnx20bph44AaYed/giphy.gif


One thing I'm missing this season as well is George curling into a 3. Why aren't we giving him that shot anymore?

I don't know that we've ran it for Alex this year, but I would check ATO's from last year.
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Post#589 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 7:22 pm

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Pillendreher wrote:I'd say the Abrines one is a bit different:

[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/dsZWnx20bph44AaYed/giphy.gif


One thing I'm missing this season as well is George curling into a 3. Why aren't we giving him that shot anymore?

I don't know that we've ran it for Alex this year, but I would check ATO's from last year.

Just watched all of his made threes from last year and didn't see it, so either he missed the shot or I'm misremembering.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#590 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 7:25 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
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Pillendreher wrote:I'd say the Abrines one is a bit different:

[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/dsZWnx20bph44AaYed/giphy.gif


One thing I'm missing this season as well is George curling into a 3. Why aren't we giving him that shot anymore?

I don't know that we've ran it for Alex this year, but I would check ATO's from last year.

Just watched all of his made threes from last year and didn't see it, so either he missed the shot or I'm misremembering.


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“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#591 » by spearsy23 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:45 pm

About that jerami Grant looks better as a shooter thing

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Post#592 » by Pillendreher » Sun Nov 4, 2018 10:00 pm

spearsy23 wrote:About that jerami Grant looks better as a shooter thing

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Ferguson is probably not far behind. :lol:
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Post#593 » by Old Man Game » Sun Nov 4, 2018 10:22 pm

I'll say this, my dude T Ferg hasn't been a good shooter. But its not like his shot is just totally busted to **** like Roberson's. I still hold out hope that he can become a sort of Bruce Bowen clone at least being competent from the corner.
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Post#594 » by Pillendreher » Sun Nov 4, 2018 10:25 pm

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Post#595 » by spearsy23 » Mon Nov 5, 2018 12:08 am

That's my point guard, man.
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Post#596 » by Old Man Game » Mon Nov 5, 2018 12:36 pm

That's big time leadership by Russ. I think a lot of superstars wouldn't give a guy like Ferg the time of day. Probably be more apt to just complain to the GM about trading the guy.
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Post#597 » by slick_watts » Mon Nov 5, 2018 12:49 pm

he should have used that energy to convince billy to start abrines instead.
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Post#598 » by Pillendreher » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:04 pm

slick_watts wrote:he should have used that energy to convince billy to start abrines instead.


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Post#599 » by spearsy23 » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:07 pm

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slick_watts wrote:he should have used that energy to convince billy to start abrines instead.

You're confusing shammgod with shaman.
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Post#600 » by slick_watts » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:17 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
slick_watts wrote:he should have used that energy to convince billy to start abrines instead.


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you're trying too hard. this doesn't even make sense.

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