Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[dckingsfan]

No STD is right, "95% of the carbon emissions are from 3rd world countries" and, as your chart indicates, 5% is from Mother Russia.

[dckingsfan]

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BTW, Indu - I haven't changed. I pointed out the unsustainable policies that the previous administration rolled out.

But really, this one is worse.

They went after the ACA instead of going after the healthcare drivers. That doesn't help with the overall sustainability of our healthcare system - fail.

They went after the ACA instead of going after an infrastructure spend - fail.

They have no strategy on the environment - fail.

They put in an incredibly flawed tax bill with an additional spend on the military. The could have put in a tax cut for business, slightly lowered the top tax rates and cut the lower tax rates to really spur the economy and still begin the process of balancing the budget - fail.

They have started a multi-front import/export war and are losing - fail.

If you cut through all the hysteria going on - you can see that this is a failing administration that this country needs replaced as soon as possible.

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[Induveca]

1) LNG is already better than coal
2) It can be much better than coal if we reduce the methane admissions - this administration has no plan
3) Renewables are already making a dent (account for 10% of all energy) and are accelerating 10% year over year
4) Yes, I have been to towns where they do fracking - you are exaggerating - but your point is solid - we should continue to improve the technology. A terrific thing for government to do
5) Have a plan - don't suck

More research it has nothing to do with the current administration. The past two have been completely inept on the fracking / natural gas issue:

https://www.ecowatch.com/fracking-whats-that-smell-1881708319.html

I’m also not exaggerating about the smell, the chemicals that are shoved into the ground seep out all over. I bought/renovated some commercial property in Midlands Texas years ago and on certain days it was tough to breathe. Many people walk around with surgical masks.l in Midlands ok certain days.

This isn’t even a debate or argument, we seem to agree. Right now the previous plan laid is ****. Doesn’t matter who created it, for it to be fixed it’s on the oil companies to reduce methane emissions. The US wants to sell natural gas to the globe, greed won’t change there.

Most logical solution there is a regulation to reduce emissions via revamping their extraction devices. Don’t care who does it, if Trump is voted out let’s see if it actually happens via executive order.

I’m not out to stop the climate change economic boom, it has conveniently made the US the largest producer/exporter of natural gas globally and the divide grows by the month. If the climate change groups, with whom I disagree with their data and approach completely, can reduce emissions and make us responsible in fracking? I’m all for it.

This emission problem is compounding rapidly, their entire algorithm is currently broken. This variable needs to be fixed now. And that fix must begin in China (where I currently live and your picture above is a good day in Shenzhen or Guangdong). India a very close 2nd.

Of course it does - they have no current initiatives to get this done. None.

Where we violently agree is that this administration has no plan and planning works (like it did in LA).

Next administration.

Again though if you really believe in fixing the problem, focusing solely on the US is foolish. Here’s a quote from the head of the UN Foundation in 2009.

”Natural gas can serve as a bridge fuel to a low-carbon, sustainable energy future," said former Colorado senator Timothy Wirth, now head of the U.N. Foundation

The entire world has had nearly 10 years to verify data in an algorithm created by the UN. What other variables are horribly broken? Why were oil/gas allowed to present themselves as “going green”, and how were climate change leaders duped so long by the claims of natural gas as a “bridge”? Ironically it was denial.

With the move to natural gas, it’s as if we proudly announced we kicked our Oxycontin habit by taking up heroin instead

The above is a quote by Bill McKibben in 2018, arguably the leading climate change activist in the world. Gandhi peace prize winner and has helped host over 7000 climate change events personally.

A quote from Obama in 2014:

”Over the past eight years, the United States has reduced our total carbon pollution more than any other nation on Earth.” He added, “One of the reasons why is natural gas — if extracted safely, it’s the bridge fuel that can power our economy with less of the carbon pollution that causes climate change.” In fact, his administration was so fond of fracking that the State Department set up an entire agency whose only task was to spread the technology to other countries.

Go back further, Obama/Clinton held dozens of shale conferences around the world throwing out quotes like “natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power generation today” beginning in 2010. Problem was after each conference a major US oil/gas company received huge contracts (50-500 million) for purchasing the US’ latest fracking tech and unfettered access to untapped shale in places like Bulgaria and Poland (and dozens of others in Africa and South America).

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron/2/

If we speak of policy surrounding climate change, there was a huge rush to judgment using natural gas as a “bridge to a sustainable energy future” (UN Foundation) in 2010.

The biggest screw up of the last 9 years was embracing and fully supporting the IGU. This was a body that was leaned on for much of the methane emission data. The CGI worked with them hand in hand while selling fracking to the world.

https://www.igu.org/sites/default/files/node-page-field_file/Natural%20Gas%20Unlocking%20the%20Low%20Carbon%20Future.pdf

Not only were US emissions of fracking off by 60-67% via IGU data (up from claims in the same settings of 2-7%). The US government under Obama actively sold fracking to the world for 7 years (nearly two dozen countries are currently producing shale under the direction of US oil/gas companies) using data from the IGU. The IGU was funded by a variety of well known foundations, on both sides of the aisle.

If 7 years of spreading flawed US energy technology around the globe was either fraud or a foolish rush to “do something”. Considering it creates trillions in profits for US oil/gas I’ll go with the a mixture of both.

Your question as to the current administration’s plan? It’s pretty transparent nothing has changed. Fracking continues unabated. The climate change algorithm that “fixes” the problem and the “bridge” variable are horribly broken yet still leaned upon by the majority of climate change groups. Let’s not pretend the previous administration did anything than pay lip service and create a huge amount of financial vehicles around what is now *proven* to be an algorithm broken at its very foundation (when emission calculations have been off 60-67% for the 12 years of fracking at scale, and the goal is to reduce emissions?). They treated an algorithmic theory as algorithmic fact, while trusting the IGU’s data. This is the danger of proclaiming “consensus”.

“I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Sorry for the novel, but thanks for letting us throw all this game-changing data on the table. The rush to theorize “climate change cause” sits on an even larger hill of porous data than realized.

[dckingsfan]

Well - this started with coal >> LNG.

So, at least we have moved to LNG isn't perfect - but still better than coal. And Trump is still a knucklehead. But that is fine - it is up to others to solve their problems first (no concurrency).

We have moved to an understanding that alternative energy sources are accelerating. But we agree to throw LNG under the bus until we seal the methane leaks (although very doable).

But you are still at the we need to know "why" we are seeing we are seeing climate change and shouldn't try to "fix" it until we conclusively know the reason behind said climate change. Regardless of how long that takes or the damage that rolls up because of it.

So, I guess that is progress...

BTW, the story goes that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was eaten by a tiger. He wouldn't run until they could conclusively prove that the growls coming from the bush were in fact a tiger... too late.

[Induveca]

Well - this started with coal >> LNG.

So, at least we have moved to LNG isn't perfect - but still better than coal. And Trump is still a knucklehead. But that is fine - it is up to others to solve their problems first (no concurrency).

We have moved to an understanding that alternative energy sources are accelerating. But we agree to throw LNG under the bus until we seal the methane leaks (although very doable).

But you are still at the we need to know "why" we are seeing we are seeing climate change and shouldn't try to "fix" it until we conclusively know the reason behind said climate change. Regardless of how long that takes or the damage that rolls up because of it.

So, I guess that is progress...

BTW, the story goes that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was eaten by a tiger. He wouldn't run until they could conclusively prove that the growls coming from the bush were in fact a tiger... too late.

Ha on Doyle. Sadly his death was of a stroke I believe. With his imagination he may have preferred the tiger.

But you are still at the we need to know "why" we are seeing we are seeing climate change and shouldn't try to "fix" it until we conclusively know the reason behind said climate change. Regardless of how long that takes or the damage that rolls up because of it.

I’m actually beyond that I have always acknowledged there is a temperature uptick. I just won’t jump on the herd mentality because an initial consensus was reached. That consensus was built on data which has now been disproven, and there hasn’t been a peep from the UN bodies charged with climate change on a solution. Nor have they addressed how 60-67% higher methane emissions since “fracking at scale” began in 2006 impacted their 2010 foundation model. That’s 8 years of incorrect data. **TO BE CLEAR THE HUGE METHANE EMISSION ERROR WAS DISCOVERED JUNE 2018**

I deal in reality, and the new reality after this huge methane issue (and that is *not* an easy fix, the methane leaks rise across huge areas, not from a single source) is the foundational algorithm driving major economic should be disavowed strongly by the UN if this was truly driven by ethical science. It’s not. Wonder if cap and trade markets being complete frauds now for 8 years is an issue as well?

We’re at least a decade away from solving the methane issue. It’s squarely on the UN and the same science community that accepted “consensus” and whatever body maintained that foundational algorithm, and applauded carbon markets, and didn’t constantly verify the key variable (methane emissions) that allowed the UN/Obama to proclaim natural gas and fracking as a 50 year bridge.

Let’s see what the UN does on this huge problem. Not surprisingly, any supposed success is celebrated in grand fashion in international climate change soirées. Any failure somehow “It’s Trump’s fault.”

It’s getting old, and when you dig into the actual rollout of fracking and the oil/gas industry’s slow dance with the UN Climate Change Bodies and their involvement in cap and trade carbon credit schemes it is just a ridiculous claim.

TLDR:
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Oil and gas and the UN climate change panels need to fix their massively flawed algorithm, 62-67% off emissions since 2006. Once that happens and yet another forced consensus is agreed to, *then* it’s on politicians to squeeze oil/gas companies to find an extremely difficult solution. The same companies that duped that duped the UN Commissions to begin with....and somehow fix the cap and trade schemes which essentially have been fraudulent the past 8 years.

The UN could theoretically punish nations whose oil/gas companies don’t reduce methane emissions by 60% in 10 years? That gets their climate change panel back to their 2010 baseline. But we all know that won’t happen.

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[Ruzious]

I told myself I wouldn't post in here since this thread makes me hate half of you, but we need to think of a way for Trump to deport Leonsis.

BUILD THE WALL! (around Greece)

I see a future for you writing material for Pete Davidson - even in you are pro Trump. Keep him away from eye-patch jokes.

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I’m not saying Brian Kemp is a racist but the racist seem to think he’s a racist.

[dckingsfan]

Texas has smashed turnout records - more than 4.8 million ballots were cast during early voting, surpassing the TOTAL turnout of the 2014 midterms.

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Speaking of Brian Kemp. Nothing like abusing your power to bring trumped up charges to your opponent two days before the midterms. If this doesn’t motivate people even more to vote against this scumbag I don’t know what will. Democracy is on the line people

https://gizmodo.com/brian-kemps-cyber-crimes-investigation-against-democrat-1830211250

The office of Brian Kemp, who is also the Republican candidate for governor, said in a Sunday morning news release that they will investigate the Georgia Democratic Party as part of its probe, but did not offer any details on why it is investigating the Democratic party.

[Pointgod]

Texas has smashed turnout records - more than 4.8 million ballots were cast during early voting, surpassing the TOTAL turnout of the 2014 midterms.

That has to be an encouraging sign for Beto.

[Ruzious]

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Speaking of Brian Kemp. Nothing like abusing your power to bring trumped up charges to your opponent two days before the midterms. If this doesn’t motivate people even more to vote against this scumbag I don’t know what will. Democracy is on the line people

https://gizmodo.com/brian-kemps-cyber-crimes-investigation-against-democrat-1830211250

The office of Brian Kemp, who is also the Republican candidate for governor, said in a Sunday morning news release that they will investigate the Georgia Democratic Party as part of its probe, but did not offer any details on why it is investigating the Democratic party.

Everyone in Georgia - on both sides - who worked to make the Goergia elections fair and accurate should be given the right to kick Brian Kemp squarely in the balls. I was Dem chief election judge in my MD precinct for 10 elections, and I know everyone who does that type of job takes pride in doing their civic duty, and for someone like that to spit on the process like he has - twice now - there should be a punishment to fit the a-hole.

[dobrojim]

One of the most depressing aspects in recent political events is the Republican efforts to
prevent voting by people who are perfectly entitled to vote but who can be segregated
based on demographics as being unlikely to support them. So rather than develop and promote
policies which should garner majority support, Republicans would rather do everything they
possibly can to deny those who might oppose them their voting franchise under the thoroughly
disproven guise of "protecting the integrity of elections" which is Orwellian for we believe
if you don't support us, your vote shouldn't count.

Disgusting.

[closg00]

One of the most depressing aspects in recent political events is the Republican efforts to
prevent voting by people who are perfectly entitled to vote but who can be segregated
based on demographics as being unlikely to support them. So rather than develop and promote
policies which should garner majority support, Republicans would rather do everything they
possibly can to deny those who might oppose them their voting franchise under the thoroughly
disproven guise of "protecting the integrity of elections" which is Orwellian for we believe
if you don't support us, your vote shouldn't count.

Disgusting.

Perhaps worse than 1960's-style voter suppression because Republican's have expanded their bag of dirty tricks.

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[Pointgod]

One of the most depressing aspects in recent political events is the Republican efforts to
prevent voting by people who are perfectly entitled to vote but who can be segregated
based on demographics as being unlikely to support them. So rather than develop and promote
policies which should garner majority support, Republicans would rather do everything they
possibly can to deny those who might oppose them their voting franchise under the thoroughly
disproven guise of "protecting the integrity of elections" which is Orwellian for we believe
if you don't support us, your vote shouldn't count.

Disgusting.

Even more infuriating is the people that claim voting doesn’t matter. By not voting they’re just giving Republicans more power to make sure their vote truly doesn’t matter. Any Republican, Independent or Democrat that calls themselves a patriot would vote down bastards like Kempeven if it’s just out of spite. If he’s successful then Republicans will just keep suppressing the vote because they know that the benefits outweigh the costs.

[pancakes3]

i feel dumb for getting duped by Trump's distraction talking points but it doesn't really matter bc i'm not the demo he's trying to distract. do republicans know that they're having keys dangled in their faces too? i mean, there were people here who had legit beliefs that birthright citizenship was a problem, when it's pretty clear that Trump was just using it as a distraction.

we've jumped from new NAFTA being the same as the old, a continuing trade war, military response to an asylum-seeking caravan, stripping birthright citizenship, multiple shootings, politically motivated bombings, an assassination of a Wapo journalist, and now voter suppression.

edit: i forgot about the middle class tax cut he promised that would be passed by today.

and you can't pin the blame on the media for being reactionary bc that's the media's job. they don't (and shouldn't) set narratives for the news. but then that just leaves Trump there throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks with his base.

i'll say it now, and i'm sure i'll say it repeatedly in the future but 2020 is going to be the worst year yet.

[Induveca]

i feel dumb for getting duped by Trump's distraction talking points but it doesn't really matter bc i'm not the demo he's trying to distract. do republicans know that they're having keys dangled in their faces too? i mean, there were people here who had legit beliefs that birthright citizenship was a problem, when it's pretty clear that Trump was just using it as a distraction.

we've jumped from new NAFTA being the same as the old, a continuing trade war, military response to an asylum-seeking caravan, stripping birthright citizenship, multiple shootings, politically motivated bombings, an assassination of a Wapo journalist, and now voter suppression.

and you can't pin the blame on the media for being reactionary bc that's the media's job. they don't (and shouldn't) set narratives for the news. but then that just leaves Trump there throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks with his base.

i'll say it now, and i'm sure i'll say it repeatedly in the future but 2020 is going to be the worst year yet.

Love your optimism. Keep rooting for everything to fail despite the record employment and growth. #RESIST

Back in Hong Kong sadly the timezone and lack of US news will slowly make me fade away. But go Wiz! #RESISTERNIE

[gtn130]

Love your optimism. Keep rooting for everything to fail despite the record employment and growth. #RESIST

The GOP is not running on record employment and growth. They're running on the caravan and white identity politics. Look at the ad Fox News just stopped airing.

Trump himself does not want you focused on the economy because if we start talking about the economy, suddenly we're talking about tax cuts and after that - gasp - we're talking about healthcare, and then the GOP is really actually screwed.

[Pointgod]

i feel dumb for getting duped by Trump's distraction talking points but it doesn't really matter bc i'm not the demo he's trying to distract. do republicans know that they're having keys dangled in their faces too? i mean, there were people here who had legit beliefs that birthright citizenship was a problem, when it's pretty clear that Trump was just using it as a distraction.

we've jumped from new NAFTA being the same as the old, a continuing trade war, military response to an asylum-seeking caravan, stripping birthright citizenship, multiple shootings, politically motivated bombings, an assassination of a Wapo journalist, and now voter suppression.

edit: i forgot about the middle class tax cut he promised that would be passed by today.

and you can't pin the blame on the media for being reactionary bc that's the media's job. they don't (and shouldn't) set narratives for the news. but then that just leaves Trump there throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks with his base.

i'll say it now, and i'm sure i'll say it repeatedly in the future but 2020 is going to be the worst year yet.

And here’s the catch 22. The media shouldn’t spend a disproportionate amount of time on Trump but he literally lies so much and says so much vile **** that they have to spend their time pushing back for the benefit of their viewers. (Except the trash heap that’s Fox News) You can also argue that if the media would have covered Trump properly in the Presidential race he wouldn’t be President right now.

People should hold Trump accountable for being a garbage human being and focus less on how much time the media spends covering him.