2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

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Post#601 » by Pillendreher » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:19 pm

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slick_watts wrote:he should have used that energy to convince billy to start abrines instead.


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you're trying too hard. this doesn't even make sense.


Seems to me you're talking about Westbrook doing something that you've been complaining about forever. If this team can't go anywhere because Westbrook is uncoachable, isn't Westbrook telling Donovan to start Abrines "being uncoachable"? How can you advocate for that when you've condemmed interfering with Donovan's coaching?
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#602 » by slick_watts » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:24 pm

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you're trying too hard. this doesn't even make sense.


Seems to me you're talking about Westbrook doing something that you've been complaining about forever. If this team can't go anywhere because Westbrook is uncoachable, isn't Westbrook telling Donovan to start Abrines "being uncoachable"? How can you advocate for that when you've condemmed interfering with Donovan's coaching?


i wouldn't mind if westbrook would stick his neck out and demand changes that were actually productive instead of changing plays so he can take last second three pointers or protect carmelo anthony / jerami grant rotation spots. he's not lebron james out there winning titles playing gm and coach.

westbrook wouldn't do that though, because westbrook doesn't even think there's a difference between two pointers and three pointers if his recent remarks are to be believed.
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Post#603 » by Pillendreher » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:33 pm

slick_watts wrote:i wouldn't mind if westbrook would stick his neck out and demand changes that were actually productive instead of changing plays so he can take last second three pointers or protect carmelo anthony / jerami grant rotation spots. he's not lebron james out there winning titles playing gm and coach.

westbrook wouldn't do that though, because westbrook doesn't even think there's a difference between two pointers and three pointers if his recent remarks are to be believed.


You can't have it both ways. You can't constantly scorch him for supposedly being uncoachable because he alledgedly "does what he wants" and doesn't respect the coaching staff, but then demand from him to do the very same thing you've been criticizing him for.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#604 » by slick_watts » Mon Nov 5, 2018 1:46 pm

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slick_watts wrote:i wouldn't mind if westbrook would stick his neck out and demand changes that were actually productive instead of changing plays so he can take last second three pointers or protect carmelo anthony / jerami grant rotation spots. he's not lebron james out there winning titles playing gm and coach.

westbrook wouldn't do that though, because westbrook doesn't even think there's a difference between two pointers and three pointers if his recent remarks are to be believed.


You can't have it both ways. You can't constantly scorch him for supposedly being uncoachable because he alledgedly "does what he wants" and doesn't respect the coaching staff, but then demand from him to do the very same thing you've been criticizing him for.


uh, yes i can. look, i'm doing it: i would be delighted if russell westbrook demanded that alex abrines starts in place of terrance ferguson.

i wouldn't have a problem with westbrook's behavior if it had positive results. would you have a problem with jerami grant threes if they all went in? like i said, you are trying too hard.
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Post#605 » by bondom34 » Mon Nov 5, 2018 8:09 pm

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Post#606 » by Pillendreher » Mon Nov 5, 2018 9:00 pm

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Post#607 » by getrichordie » Mon Nov 5, 2018 10:19 pm

Roberson comes back 85% of what he was. Solid lateral agility but can’t jump as high and is not as fast.

Do you try to work him back into the starting lineup?

Do you play him sparingly in the second unit?

Do you trade him?

Curious to hear everyone’s thoughts because I think Roberson should be traded.


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Post#608 » by bondom34 » Mon Nov 5, 2018 10:41 pm

Yes.

Sure if he can start too.

No.

They have zero capable wings on the roster defensively and Roberson is one.
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Post#609 » by getrichordie » Tue Nov 6, 2018 11:32 am

Assume Felton isn’t on the roster.

Who plays the back up point? Surely it’s George, right?

If George could handle back up point duties, I think that would be fun to watch. In fact, if I’m coaching the Thunder, I’m giving him that role and challenging him to handle it. I wonder if PG would even want to play that role, though.

Anyways, if that works out, I’m sliding Diallo in to guard point. Abrines at 2 and Grant at the 4. Noel at the 5.

On the offensive end, Abrines and George give you shooting (though he’s not shooting well right now) with the ability to drive. Noel gives you putbacks and rim runs and the occasional mid-range. Grant can at least draw a foul and give you a weapon in transition. Diallo gets an open 3 here and there and gets the Roberson lane to the bucket.

Spacing isn’t great but there’s enough ways to “manufacture buckets” with that lineup.

Defense should be very solid, though.

Diallo, Abrines, George, Grant, and Noel are all very capable defenders at their respective positions. Abrines will have trouble with quicker second unit guards in the league, but shouldn’t have a lot of trouble. Diallo will suffer from guarding vets, but overall should be enough of a presence to be a plus defender. George will be George. He won’t contest much at the rim, but he won’t let you get to the rim much either. Great help defender. Grant gives you another solid help defender who has the added ability of being super long and jumping super high so he can cover a lot of floor space. Noel also gives you the same, but lacks a little size for the position so he will get bodied by bigger, skilled bigs, but his length alone should be enough to hold the fort down.


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Post#610 » by getrichordie » Tue Nov 6, 2018 11:51 am

Data is definitely telling us that both Ferguson and Grant shouldn’t start with Schroder on floor. Westbrook makes up for a lot of Grant and Ferguson’s offensive shortcomings. Though I think Schroder will be fine, he won’t be able to carry Westbrook offensive output (shocker). I think the right move is to put Patterson in. I think Schroder complements Patterson super well. Schroder loves to drive and dish and Patterson and George and occasionally Ferguson. Having Grant out there kills Schroder’s impact. So far, data bears that out. Reason I wouldn’t change Ferguson starting is because I think he has been solid enough defensively and more importantly, it Abrines will be needed on second unit. Hell, I wouldn’t mind starting Diallo at the 2 and giving Ferguson run on second unit. I think he’s that solid on defense against most players.

But alas, rotations don’t mean **** offensively if guys can’t shoot and make shots. Here’s to hoping George can step it up. He needs to, especially with Westbrook out. He can’t keep up this **** shooting performance forever. Or maybe he can! Who knows?


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Post#611 » by CROklahoma » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:02 pm

Its time to stop the Ferguson project and try and see if Abrines can step up with Schroeder on the floor.

We cannot allow ourselves any deficits early.
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Post#612 » by getrichordie » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:18 pm

CROklahoma wrote:Its time to stop the Ferguson project and try and see if Abrines can step up with Schroeder on the floor.

We cannot allow ourselves any deficits early.


Abrines is essentially starting without starting. He played 35 minutes last night and is averaging 22 on the season. I agree that he should get starter minutes, but I think the second unit needs him too much, especially with Westbrook out.


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Post#613 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:27 pm

Since being traded to OKC, Georges struggles with the ball and creating his own shot have been disappointing.
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Post#614 » by getrichordie » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:47 pm

Knrstz wrote:Since being traded to OKC, Georges struggles with the ball and creating his own shot have been disappointing.


I think Schroder will get George back on track.


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Post#615 » by slick_watts » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:52 pm

CROklahoma wrote:Its time to stop the Ferguson project and try and see if Abrines can step up with Schroeder on the floor.

We cannot allow ourselves any deficits early.


i doubt billy stops the project for as long as its successful. whether it has to do with ferguson or not, the ferg starters are +23pp100 this year. he's been restricting ferguson's minutes to this lineup lately a lot more which is probably wise.
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Post#616 » by CROklahoma » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:57 pm

Yes, but its not due to Ferguson just levitating and doing nothing, but the starters carrying him hard.

And its so stupid, why wouldnt we try and see what would happen if Alex immediately started ?
Maybe he'd get in a better rhytm. Maybe Ferg would do better off the bench, with the opportunity to get the ball in his hands more often.
This aint gonna end well in next few weeks, and we all know it.

I know he is our next "Dre project", but we really cannot waste our chances in upcoming seasons like that ...

Give Alex what he deserves, let him operate in some pnrs with Adams, let him shoot early, let him dribble more with main guys from the getgo ...

I hope I am wrong about Terrance, but the Alex emergence this early could be our X factor if it proves that he found the balance to be our main 3&"D" threat.
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Post#617 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:58 pm

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Knrstz wrote:Since being traded to OKC, Georges struggles with the ball and creating his own shot have been disappointing.


I think Schroder will get George back on track.


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Im not even a huge fan of Westbrook’s game but you desperately want things to be true that are just wrong.
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Post#618 » by getrichordie » Tue Nov 6, 2018 1:11 pm

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Knrstz wrote:Since being traded to OKC, Georges struggles with the ball and creating his own shot have been disappointing.


I think Schroder will get George back on track.


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Im not even a huge fan of Westbrook’s game but you desperately want things to be true that are just wrong.


Well, let’s see if George starts shooting better with Schroder on the floor. Let us see the evidence unfold before our very eyes.


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Post#619 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Nov 6, 2018 1:16 pm

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I think Schroder will get George back on track.


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Im not even a huge fan of Westbrook’s game but you desperately want things to be true that are just wrong.


Well, let’s see if George starts shooting better with Schroder on the floor. Let us see the evidence unfold before our very eyes.


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Post#620 » by Old Man Game » Tue Nov 6, 2018 1:22 pm

getrichordie wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Since being traded to OKC, Georges struggles with the ball and creating his own shot have been disappointing.


I think Schroder will get George back on track.


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Why would he be able to do that more so than Westbrook, who is better than Dennis at basically everything?

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