THE OFFICIAL ZO TRIER HYPE THREAD!

[DrCoach]

Perry Killed the draft and FA

[2010]

NoLayupRule going mad hard for Kanter. He sees a burgeoning future for him in NY

[stuporman]

nah. this kid pounds the air out of the ball looking for his shot.

so far we need him to do it. it's valuable. he's good at it. but he can be a ball stopper. his nickame is... i mean...

I guess that means there is plenty of video evidence of him with the Knicks dribbling on the outside for 10+ seconds, right? If that's all he does then it should be literally every time he touches the ball, true? Not once or twice, or once every ten times he touches the ball but whenever he has it.

So I will be waiting for the video compilation of it and also the advanced stats supporting this opinion.

people can't admit whats in front of them anymore

of course Trier overdribbles

thats his game

and by the way he's playing the hell out of it

He overdribbles? What does it mean to "overdribble"? If a player dribbles the ball for an extended amount of time without ever creating a good scoring opportunity for themselves or others that would be it. He dribbles the ball with purpose and it usually results in a decent shot attempt.

True he has dribbled into trouble at times causing a turnover or bad shot but those are the outliers to his dribble drives, not the norm. So when Donovan Mitchell dribbles the ball to penetrate and create is he also overdribbling, too?

What about all the other dribble penetrators on other teams that get praised on this forum for their ability to break down the defense, get into the paint and create opportunities? Doesn't Frank get criticized for not trying to dribble penetrate at all? So which is it, good or bad?

Yes, Trier creates with his dribble drive but for him to be overdribbling it would be stalling an already effectively flowing offense but instead he is dribbling to create in an offense that has already stalled and ineffectual. The cause and effect is reversed.

You accurately point out he's does it and that the team needs it to be done. The issue that seems to be lost is the context if how it comes about and the results of it. The Knicks need someone to break down the defense, he's doing it and up until the Bulls game he's been very effective and efficient at it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

The only time he dribbles for an extended time is when we’re trying to run down the clock, Fiz said he’d rather have him do that than us passing the ball and risking a turnover.

nah. this kid pounds the air out of the ball looking for his shot.

so far we need him to do it. it's valuable. he's good at it. but he can be a ball stopper. his nickame is... i mean...

I guess that means there is plenty of video evidence of him with the Knicks dribbling on the outside for 10+ seconds, right? If that's all he does then it should be literally every time he touches the ball, true? Not once or twice, or once every ten times he touches the ball but whenever he has it.

So I will be waiting for the video compilation of it and also the advanced stats supporting this opinion.

wait for your video compilation of your arbitrary definition of what i said all you want.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I guess that means there is plenty of video evidence of him with the Knicks dribbling on the outside for 10+ seconds, right? If that's all he does then it should be literally every time he touches the ball, true? Not once or twice, or once every ten times he touches the ball but whenever he has it.

So I will be waiting for the video compilation of it and also the advanced stats supporting this opinion.

people can't admit whats in front of them anymore

of course Trier overdribbles

thats his game

and by the way he's playing the hell out of it

He overdribbles? What does it mean to "overdribble"? If a player dribbles the ball for an extended amount of time without ever creating a good scoring opportunity for themselves or others that would be it. He dribbles the ball with purpose and it usually results in a decent shot attempt.

i never said that's not what he's doing. in fact, i very clearly said he dribbles looking for his shot. you went in with all kinds of extra schidt.

[stuporman]

people can't admit whats in front of them anymore

of course Trier overdribbles

thats his game

and by the way he's playing the hell out of it

He overdribbles? What does it mean to "overdribble"? If a player dribbles the ball for an extended amount of time without ever creating a good scoring opportunity for themselves or others that would be it. He dribbles the ball with purpose and it usually results in a decent shot attempt.

i never said that's not what he's doing. in fact, i very clearly said he dribbles looking for his shot. you went in with all kinds of extra schidt.

I didn't realize NLR is your alt account... I thought I was speaking to someone else in my response, my apologies.

[Jeff Van Gully]

He overdribbles? What does it mean to "overdribble"? If a player dribbles the ball for an extended amount of time without ever creating a good scoring opportunity for themselves or others that would be it. He dribbles the ball with purpose and it usually results in a decent shot attempt.

i never said that's not what he's doing. in fact, i very clearly said he dribbles looking for his shot. you went in with all kinds of extra schidt.

I didn't realize NLR is your alt account... I thought I was speaking to someone else in my response, my apologies.

the conversation continues to quote me. and we're talking about the exact same thing. you're doing all kinds of strawman tricks and semantics gymnastics. basically trolling now.

[NoLayupRule]

I guess that means there is plenty of video evidence of him with the Knicks dribbling on the outside for 10+ seconds, right? If that's all he does then it should be literally every time he touches the ball, true? Not once or twice, or once every ten times he touches the ball but whenever he has it.

So I will be waiting for the video compilation of it and also the advanced stats supporting this opinion.

people can't admit whats in front of them anymore

of course Trier overdribbles

thats his game

and by the way he's playing the hell out of it

He overdribbles? What does it mean to "overdribble"? If a player dribbles the ball for an extended amount of time without ever creating a good scoring opportunity for themselves or others that would be it. He dribbles the ball with purpose and it usually results in a decent shot attempt.

True he has dribbled into trouble at times causing a turnover or bad shot but those are the outliers to his dribble drives, not the norm. So when Donovan Mitchell dribbles the ball to penetrate and create is he also overdribbling, too?

What about all the other dribble penetrators on other teams that get praised on this forum for their ability to break down the defense, get into the paint and create opportunities? Doesn't Frank get criticized for not trying to dribble penetrate at all? So which is it, good or bad?

Yes, Trier creates with his dribble drive but for him to be overdribbling it would be stalling an already effectively flowing offense but instead he is dribbling to create in an offense that has already stalled and ineffectual. The cause and effect is reversed.

You accurately point out he's does it and that the team needs it to be done. The issue that seems to be lost is the context if how it comes about and the results of it. The Knicks need someone to break down the defense, he's doing it and up until the Bulls game he's been very effective and efficient at it.

hes compensating for a lack of players who can create for themselves or others

much like how your beloved Kanter does from the post


His over dribbling, or whatever we choose to call it, is the modern guard equivalent of a post up

its probably fine on this team but when you look at most of the really good flowing offenses you dont see a single player holding the rock like that. You do on Houston and any LBJ team but thats an issue they are trying to address with their roster moves.

When one guy holds the ball the other guys tend to stand and watch, or spot up if you're being generous

its fine when a guy like LBJ or Harden can so consistently break down and draw in the defense but its not ok when a guy like Carmelo pulls defenders to him or can be defended one on one and then everyone else is just watching

After the years of Iso Carmelo Id think people would have less patience for ball stopping iso play

now again Trier is doing what the team needs, much like how Melo did when we had no penetrating guards or scorers of value
but its not gonna be ok when we bring back KP or add players of quality and thats the most important long term point

[NoLayupRule]

NoLayupRule going mad hard for Kanter. He sees a burgeoning future for him in NY

stop trying to force people into camps


i defend Kanter in part because some people have a total lack of IQ and perspective, like suggesting cutting him to make room for Trier

ahem ahem


but also because I respect the role he plays
like I respect Triers role

Kanter takes the rebounding and banging role off KP
Kanter gets us points easily when we need them
Kanter is producing a very rare thing in the nba, a double double with a high offensive rebounding rate. I think he will have value at the deadline in trade for us

and dont put words in my mouth even with an lol
I doubt very much Kanter has a role here after this season

[2010]

NoLayupRule going mad hard for Kanter. He sees a burgeoning future for him in NY

stop trying to force people into camps


i defend Kanter in part because some people have a total lack of IQ and perspective, like suggesting cutting him to make room for Trier

ahem ahem


but also because I respect the role he plays
like I respect Triers role

Kanter takes the rebounding and banging role off KP
Kanter gets us points easily when we need them
Kanter is producing a very rare thing in the nba, a double double with a high offensive rebounding rate. I think he will have value at the deadline in trade for us

and dont put words in my mouth even with an lol
I doubt very much Kanter has a role here after this season

The only meaningful thing you said here was the enlarged last line. Everything else is just a waste of keystrokes and jibber-jabber.

If Kanter has no future here then all the other crap you said is irrelevant. Most of us already recognize this. Get up to speed.

You are toting him as a fit next to KP when KP may not even play this season. You're toting his empty stats when they have no effect on the win column and he is a net negative player.

Your whole stance just makes your BBIQ and analytical skills look suspect. But carry on...

[DOT]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

[GONYK]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

From an organizational standpoint, I don't know what purpose he serves outside of soaking up minutes.

He's just a taller Beasley at this point

[Jonathan starks]

NoLayupRule going mad hard for Kanter. He sees a burgeoning future for him in NY

stop trying to force people into camps


i defend Kanter in part because some people have a total lack of IQ and perspective, like suggesting cutting him to make room for Trier

ahem ahem


but also because I respect the role he plays
like I respect Triers role

Kanter takes the rebounding and banging role off KP
Kanter gets us points easily when we need them
Kanter is producing a very rare thing in the nba, a double double with a high offensive rebounding rate. I think he will have value at the deadline in trade for us

and dont put words in my mouth even with an lol
I doubt very much Kanter has a role here after this season

People have a total lack of IQ and perspective, why, exactly? Because we know kanter is a net negative?? I’d like for you to explain that comment

[DOT]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

From an organizational standpoint, I don't know what purpose he serves outside of soaking up minutes.

He's only 26, so he's part of the youth movement

And all this capspace is gonna be used to max him out

[GONYK]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

From an organizational standpoint, I don't know what purpose he serves outside of soaking up minutes.

He's only 26, so he's part of the youth movement

And all this capspace is gonna be used to max him out

[mpharris36]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

From an organizational standpoint, I don't know what purpose he serves outside of soaking up minutes.

He's only 26, so he's part of the youth movement

And all this capspace is gonna be used to max him out

[2010]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

The bold portion is why I have taken to calling him "Kancer". Cuz he is showing his act was all that...JUST AN ACT. He is no team leader and he is selfish. Yesterday before the game in an interview Fiz said he wants him to focus on winning the 6th Man of the Year award. Kancer's retort in a subsequent interview was "“I don’t worry about trophies". Funny thing is just a few days ago this guy was saying how he wanted to start cuz his goal was to make the all-star team this season. Basically, stat-padding to get an all-star berth in hopes of getting paid. But now when his coach gives him an incentive to take the stench off losing his starting job, now all of a sudden he ain't worried about tropies. Craziest thing is the Larry O'Brien trophy is the highest of heights in the game of basketball. A CHAMPIONSHIP. He is double-talking left and right. You care about making the playoffs to win a trophy. But now cuz Fiz is talking up the 6MOY award he is rebuking talk of trophies all of a sudden.

Enes Kancer is all talk! But his words ring hollow. Typical fake person.

Before the game, Fizdale said he hoped Kanter focused on winning the Sixth Man of the Year Award instead of mysterious tweets.
“I don’t worry about trophies,” Kanter said. “My thing is we promised this city the playoffs. So I have to make my teammates better whether on second or third unit.”

https://nypost.com/2018/11/05/questionable-foul-spoils-knicks-rookies-big-night-in-2ot-loss/

[GONYK]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

The bold portion is why I have taken to calling him "Kancer". Cuz he is showing his act was all that...JUST AN ACT. He is no team leader and he is selfish. Yesterday before the game in an interview Fiz said he wants him to focus on winning the 6th Man of the Year award. Kancer's retort in a subsequent interview was "“I don’t worry about trophies". Funny thing is just a few days ago this guy was saying how he wanted to start cuz his goal was to make the all-star team this season. Basically, stat-padding to get an all-star berth in hopes of getting paid. But now when his coach gives him an incentive to take the stench off losing his starting job, now all of a sudden he ain't worried about tropies. Craziest thing is the Larry O'Brien trophy is the heights heights in the game of basketball. A CHAMPIONSHIP. He is double-talking left and right. You care about making the playoffs to win a trophy. But now cuz Fiz is talking up the 6MOY award he is rebuking talk of trophies.

Enes Kancer is all talk! But his words ring hollow. Typical fake person.

Before the game, Fizdale said he hoped Kanter focused on winning the Sixth Man of the Year Award instead of mysterious tweets.
“I don’t worry about trophies,” Kanter said. “My thing is we promised this city the playoffs. So I have to make my teammates better whether on second or third unit.”

https://nypost.com/2018/11/05/questionable-foul-spoils-knicks-rookies-big-night-in-2ot-loss/

All I'm taking from that quote is that he's open to being a third stringer.

Make it happen, Fiz

[2010]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

The bold portion is why I have taken to calling him "Kancer". Cuz he is showing his act was all that...JUST AN ACT. He is no team leader and he is selfish. Yesterday before the game in an interview Fiz said he wants him to focus on winning the 6th Man of the Year award. Kancer's retort in a subsequent interview was "“I don’t worry about trophies". Funny thing is just a few days ago this guy was saying how he wanted to start cuz his goal was to make the all-star team this season. Basically, stat-padding to get an all-star berth in hopes of getting paid. But now when his coach gives him an incentive to take the stench off losing his starting job, now all of a sudden he ain't worried about tropies. Craziest thing is the Larry O'Brien trophy is the heights heights in the game of basketball. A CHAMPIONSHIP. He is double-talking left and right. You care about making the playoffs to win a trophy. But now cuz Fiz is talking up the 6MOY award he is rebuking talk of trophies.

Enes Kancer is all talk! But his words ring hollow. Typical fake person.

Before the game, Fizdale said he hoped Kanter focused on winning the Sixth Man of the Year Award instead of mysterious tweets.
“I don’t worry about trophies,” Kanter said. “My thing is we promised this city the playoffs. So I have to make my teammates better whether on second or third unit.”

https://nypost.com/2018/11/05/questionable-foul-spoils-knicks-rookies-big-night-in-2ot-loss/

All I'm taking from that quote is that he's open to being a third stringer.

Make it happen, Fiz

[mpharris36]

Kanter is very good at what he does

He is also very bad at what he doesn't

And he pouts on the sideline and makes passive aggressive tweets when he gets benched when his limitations are making us worse, also we really can't trade him cause we can't take on any salary after this year, and not many teams have 20 mil in expirings, and even fewer are playoff teams that need a backup C

Cutting him isn't the most outlandish idea

The bold portion is why I have taken to calling him "Kancer". Cuz he is showing his act was all that...JUST AN ACT. He is no team leader and he is selfish. Yesterday before the game in an interview Fiz said he wants him to focus on winning the 6th Man of the Year award. Kancer's retort in a subsequent interview was "“I don’t worry about trophies". Funny thing is just a few days ago this guy was saying how he wanted to start cuz his goal was to make the all-star team this season. Basically, stat-padding to get an all-star berth in hopes of getting paid. But now when his coach gives him an incentive to take the stench off losing his starting job, now all of a sudden he ain't worried about tropies. Craziest thing is the Larry O'Brien trophy is the highest of heights in the game of basketball. A CHAMPIONSHIP. He is double-talking left and right. You care about making the playoffs to win a trophy. But now cuz Fiz is talking up the 6MOY award he is rebuking talk of trophies all of a sudden.

Enes Kancer is all talk! But his words ring hollow. Typical fake person.

Before the game, Fizdale said he hoped Kanter focused on winning the Sixth Man of the Year Award instead of mysterious tweets.
“I don’t worry about trophies,” Kanter said. “My thing is we promised this city the playoffs. So I have to make my teammates better whether on second or third unit.”

https://nypost.com/2018/11/05/questionable-foul-spoils-knicks-rookies-big-night-in-2ot-loss/

what is truly baffling is the lack of understanding from our media to some fans that look at 20/20 and same damn what a performance. Did anyone watch the bulls and there trash team walk into the paint almost at will. It was like we score and then they score and then we score and then they score, then we miss and they score and there in lies the net negative.