Cavs Concerned Collin Sexton Doesn't 'Know How To Play' Yet

[Pickled Prunes]

Yea, he looks pretty raw.

Maybe they really should seriously tank from now on instead of hoping Sexton's gonna bring them into the playoffs.

Nobody should tank. Everyone should try their best to win. In that scenario, the team that really needs the #1 pick would get it. Unfortunately the lottery has become a reward for creative losing... but it should at no point be approved or encouraged by the fans. What's the point of watching a game when one team (or sometimes two) is hoping for a loss?

NBA fans are suckers!

[ChokeFasncists]

Yea, he looks pretty raw.

Maybe they really should seriously tank from now on instead of hoping Sexton's gonna bring them into the playoffs.

Nobody should tank. Everyone should try their best to win. In that scenario, the team that really needs the #1 pick would get it. Unfortunately the lottery has become a reward for creative losing... but it should at no point be approved or encouraged by the fans. What's the point of watching a game when one team (or sometimes two) is hoping for a loss?

NBA fans are suckers!

Well, c'est la vie...they don't even have their own pick if they don't tank...

[Pickled Prunes]

Yea, he looks pretty raw.

Maybe they really should seriously tank from now on instead of hoping Sexton's gonna bring them into the playoffs.

Nobody should tank. Everyone should try their best to win. In that scenario, the team that really needs the #1 pick would get it. Unfortunately the lottery has become a reward for creative losing... but it should at no point be approved or encouraged by the fans. What's the point of watching a game when one team (or sometimes two) is hoping for a loss?

NBA fans are suckers!

Well, c'est la vie...they don't even have their own pick if they don't tank...

It's top 10 protected... so they don't need to try and lose to keep it. But I'd rather my team make the playoffs and lose their pick than watch them pretend to care for 82 games. The 76ers are one knee injury away from the "process" being a complete failure... in which case their fans watched them play 300+ irrelevant games for nothing. It also affected attendance in other arenas 41 games a season. It's a problem and it should not be embraced.

[ChokeFasncists]

Nobody should tank. Everyone should try their best to win. In that scenario, the team that really needs the #1 pick would get it. Unfortunately the lottery has become a reward for creative losing... but it should at no point be approved or encouraged by the fans. What's the point of watching a game when one team (or sometimes two) is hoping for a loss?

NBA fans are suckers!

Well, c'est la vie...they don't even have their own pick if they don't tank...

It's top 10 protected... so they don't need to try and lose to keep it. But I'd rather my team make the playoffs and lose their pick than watch them pretend to care for 82 games.

They were trying to make the playoffs, but it's looking more unrealistic by the day. They still have a chance to end up giving up a 11-15th pick if they go all out. It'd be ill-advised if they want to win down the road.

The 76ers are one knee injury away from the "process" being a complete failure... in which case their fans watched them play 300+ irrelevant games for nothing. It also affected attendance in other arenas 41 games a season. It's a problem and it should not be embraced.

Ya, that's how the system is. Don't hate the players, hate the game. High risk high reward.

[Pickled Prunes]

Well, c'est la vie...they don't even have their own pick if they don't tank...

It's top 10 protected... so they don't need to try and lose to keep it. But I'd rather my team make the playoffs and lose their pick than watch them pretend to care for 82 games.

They were trying to make the playoffs, but it's looking more unrealistic by the day. They still have a chance to end up giving up a 11-15th pick if they go all out. It'd be ill-advised if they want to win down the road.

The 76ers are one knee injury away from the "process" being a complete failure... in which case their fans watched them play 300+ irrelevant games for nothing. It also affected attendance in other arenas 41 games a season. It's a problem and it should not be embraced.

Ya, that's how the system is. Don't hate the players, hate the game. High risk high reward.

Umm, that's what I'm saying. If the game is to lose on purpose (for any reason) than I hate the game. If a player/coach threw a game for monetary gain we would all cry foul! Jobs would be lost; hell would be paid!... But losing for lottery balls is somehow OK? Both scenarios involve gambling.

The NBA's reputation and future integrity has a lot riding on "the process" failing. The fans have somehow bought into the idea that any team that can't win should be trying to lose. So incredibly dull! And it's not just bad for Cavs fans. The Spurs play the Cavs twice in their last a games. So in a tight West the Spurs are going to get two essential forfeits. That screws OKC, POR, UTA, HOU, etc. Not to mention the season ticket holders in opposing arenas that take a loss on tickets to a non-competitive game that they have no interest in attending.

If the Cavs were good enough to be picking 15th than that's where they should be picking. It's about integrity and quality of product. Would you frequent a restaurant with nasty taco meat if they told you they were intentionally buying nasty meat while saving up for quality meat in the future?


Bottom line... it is not good for the league or the fans in any way whatsoever.

[ChokeFasncists]

It's top 10 protected... so they don't need to try and lose to keep it. But I'd rather my team make the playoffs and lose their pick than watch them pretend to care for 82 games.

They were trying to make the playoffs, but it's looking more unrealistic by the day. They still have a chance to end up giving up a 11-15th pick if they go all out. It'd be ill-advised if they want to win down the road.

The 76ers are one knee injury away from the "process" being a complete failure... in which case their fans watched them play 300+ irrelevant games for nothing. It also affected attendance in other arenas 41 games a season. It's a problem and it should not be embraced.

Ya, that's how the system is. Don't hate the players, hate the game. High risk high reward.

Umm, that's what I'm saying. If the game is to lose on purpose (for any reason) than I hate the game. If a player/coach threw a game for monetary gain we would all cry foul! Jobs would be lost; hell would be paid!... But losing for lottery balls is somehow OK? Both scenarios involve gambling.

The NBA's reputation and future integrity has a lot riding on "the process" failing. The fans have somehow bought into the idea that any team that can't win should be trying to lose. So incredibly dull! And it's not just bad for Cavs fans. The Spurs play the Cavs twice in their last a games. So in a tight West the Spurs are going to get two essential forfeits. That screws OKC, POR, UTA, HOU, etc. Not to mention the season ticket holders in opposing arenas that take a loss on tickets to a non-competitive game that they have no interest in attending.

If the Cavs were good enough to be picking 15th than that's where they should be picking. It's about integrity and quality of product. Would you frequent a restaurant with nasty taco meat if they told you they were intentionally buying nasty meat while saving up for quality meat in the future?


Bottom line... it is not good for the league or the fans in any way whatsoever.

I totally get what you saying......but if you're the GM or a RGM what you gonna do? Just look at SVG or Ferry/Bud etc. If you're a good team but nothing's getting you over the top, it's called treadmill. Fans don't like that very much, owners don't like that very much, that's just reality I guess.

OTOH, there's legal gambling and illegal gambling, big difference! (Nasty meat is unhealthy, that's terrible as well)

[Pickled Prunes]

They were trying to make the playoffs, but it's looking more unrealistic by the day. They still have a chance to end up giving up a 11-15th pick if they go all out. It'd be ill-advised if they want to win down the road.


Ya, that's how the system is. Don't hate the players, hate the game. High risk high reward.

Umm, that's what I'm saying. If the game is to lose on purpose (for any reason) than I hate the game. If a player/coach threw a game for monetary gain we would all cry foul! Jobs would be lost; hell would be paid!... But losing for lottery balls is somehow OK? Both scenarios involve gambling.

The NBA's reputation and future integrity has a lot riding on "the process" failing. The fans have somehow bought into the idea that any team that can't win should be trying to lose. So incredibly dull! And it's not just bad for Cavs fans. The Spurs play the Cavs twice in their last a games. So in a tight West the Spurs are going to get two essential forfeits. That screws OKC, POR, UTA, HOU, etc. Not to mention the season ticket holders in opposing arenas that take a loss on tickets to a non-competitive game that they have no interest in attending.

If the Cavs were good enough to be picking 15th than that's where they should be picking. It's about integrity and quality of product. Would you frequent a restaurant with nasty taco meat if they told you they were intentionally buying nasty meat while saving up for quality meat in the future?


Bottom line... it is not good for the league or the fans in any way whatsoever.

I totally get what you saying......but if you're the GM or a RGM what you gonna do? Just look at SVG or Ferry/Bud etc. If you're a good team but nothing's getting you over the top, it's called treadmill. Fans don't like that very much, owners don't like that very much, that's just reality I guess.

OTOH, there's legal gambling and illegal gambling, big difference! (Nasty meat is unhealthy, that's terrible as well)

You should be asking what I would do as commissioner... or what I would do as an owner and what I would expect from other owners. This is fixable through draft reform.

But yeah, there are 30 teams. 20 of them are treadmill teams. What does the league look like when all of those teams are trying to lose. Last season, no less than 8 teams were hoping for losses post ASG. That is not a sign of a healthy league. Also, GSW, HOU, TOR, BOS didn't get to where they are by tanking... and they own the league right now. The draft is too unpredictable to warrant throwing away a season for. The Lakers tanked and would still be irrelevant if Lebron didn't roll into town. It just doesn't pay.

[ChokeFasncists]

Umm, that's what I'm saying. If the game is to lose on purpose (for any reason) than I hate the game. If a player/coach threw a game for monetary gain we would all cry foul! Jobs would be lost; hell would be paid!... But losing for lottery balls is somehow OK? Both scenarios involve gambling.

The NBA's reputation and future integrity has a lot riding on "the process" failing. The fans have somehow bought into the idea that any team that can't win should be trying to lose. So incredibly dull! And it's not just bad for Cavs fans. The Spurs play the Cavs twice in their last a games. So in a tight West the Spurs are going to get two essential forfeits. That screws OKC, POR, UTA, HOU, etc. Not to mention the season ticket holders in opposing arenas that take a loss on tickets to a non-competitive game that they have no interest in attending.

If the Cavs were good enough to be picking 15th than that's where they should be picking. It's about integrity and quality of product. Would you frequent a restaurant with nasty taco meat if they told you they were intentionally buying nasty meat while saving up for quality meat in the future?


Bottom line... it is not good for the league or the fans in any way whatsoever.

I totally get what you saying......but if you're the GM or a RGM what you gonna do? Just look at SVG or Ferry/Bud etc. If you're a good team but nothing's getting you over the top, it's called treadmill. Fans don't like that very much, owners don't like that very much, that's just reality I guess.

OTOH, there's legal gambling and illegal gambling, big difference! (Nasty meat is unhealthy, that's terrible as well)

You should be asking what I would do as commissioner... or what I would do as an owner and what I would expect from other owners. This is fixable through draft reform.

Well, Silver did do something, it's gonna be better but won't solve the problems. Maybe he'll do something more drastic down the road? Make the odds even less different?

But yeah, there are 30 teams. 20 of them are treadmill teams. What does the league look like when all of those teams are trying to lose. Last season, no less than 8 teams were hoping for losses post ASG. That is not a sign of a healthy league. Also, GSW, HOU, TOR, BOS didn't get to where they are by tanking... and they own the league right now. The draft is too unpredictable to warrant throwing away a season for. The Lakers tanked and would still be irrelevant if Lebron didn't roll into town. It just doesn't pay.

GSW got Curry/Barnes at 7, Klay at 11. They didn't seriously tank but if they were a better team this wouldn't have happened.

Jury's still out for Toronto, they were thinking about tanking if Kawaii wasn't available or the trade doesn't work out. DD at 9, Val at 5.

The Celts got Smart at 6, but mainly got lucky cuz the Nets' owners were stupid, they got 3 high picks, it's almost like tanking. No teams are gonna do that again, rules have even changed cuz of it.

Rockets got lucky OKC's owners were stupid, how often would the Harden trade happen? Interesting how Morey's protege was the one who did the extreme tank. Well done, even tho Morey did do some shady stuff to get there.(treating players like cargo)

OTOH, I wouldn't say 20 teams are treadmill. Since serious tanking, the league and most teams have gotten younger, young teams don't qualify as treadmill.

[Pickled Prunes]

I totally get what you saying......but if you're the GM or a RGM what you gonna do? Just look at SVG or Ferry/Bud etc. If you're a good team but nothing's getting you over the top, it's called treadmill. Fans don't like that very much, owners don't like that very much, that's just reality I guess.

OTOH, there's legal gambling and illegal gambling, big difference! (Nasty meat is unhealthy, that's terrible as well)

You should be asking what I would do as commissioner... or what I would do as an owner and what I would expect from other owners. This is fixable through draft reform.

Well, Silver did do something, it's gonna be better but won't solve the problems. Maybe he'll do something more drastic down the road? Make the odds even less different?

But yeah, there are 30 teams. 20 of them are treadmill teams. What does the league look like when all of those teams are trying to lose. Last season, no less than 8 teams were hoping for losses post ASG. That is not a sign of a healthy league. Also, GSW, HOU, TOR, BOS didn't get to where they are by tanking... and they own the league right now. The draft is too unpredictable to warrant throwing away a season for. The Lakers tanked and would still be irrelevant if Lebron didn't roll into town. It just doesn't pay.

GSW got Curry/Barnes at 7, Klay at 11. They didn't seriously tank but if they were a better team this wouldn't have happened.

Jury's still out for Toronto, they were thinking about tanking if Kawaii wasn't available or the trade doesn't work out. DD at 9, Val at 5.

The Celts got Smart at 6, but mainly got lucky cuz the Nets' owners were stupid, they got 3 high picks, it's almost like tanking. No teams are gonna do that again, rules have even changed cuz of it.

Rockets got lucky OKC's owners were stupid, how often would the Harden trade happen? Interesting how Morey's protege was the one who did the extreme tank. Well done, even tho Morey did do some shady stuff to get there.(treating players like cargo)

OTOH, I wouldn't say 20 teams are treadmill. Since serious tanking, the league and most teams have gotten younger, young teams don't qualify as treadmill.

What Silver did and what I would have done are two different things entirely. Someone "doing something" doesn't mean their job is done.

Curry at 7 and Klay at 11 kind of proves my point. That's right where the Cavs might be if they play their butts off. Playing hard might mean they need to pick a little smarter, but is also a better environment to develop your picks.

In last season's All-Star game there were Four #1 picks, three #2's, four #3's and one #4. That's half the rosters. The other 12 were pick #6, 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 15, 24, 30, 35 and 45. That means that 21% of the All-Stars weren't even lottery picks! So yeah, Fighting hard for lottery balls makes picking an all-star easier but it also destroys the team you have now. You could argue that, since Denver didn't make the playoffs they would have been better of tanking, getting a better pick and coming into this season with a player like Trae Young or Wendell Carter. Maybe... but would they have started out like this after setting that type of culture?

As the average age of the league goes down, so falls the average age of the treadmill team. KAT and Wiggins are 22 & 23. How many more mediocre seasons before we call the Wolves a treadmill team? I'd say the answer is "today, immediately after the trade news broke"!

[ChokeFasncists]

You should be asking what I would do as commissioner... or what I would do as an owner and what I would expect from other owners. This is fixable through draft reform.

Well, Silver did do something, it's gonna be better but won't solve the problems. Maybe he'll do something more drastic down the road? Make the odds even less different?

But yeah, there are 30 teams. 20 of them are treadmill teams. What does the league look like when all of those teams are trying to lose. Last season, no less than 8 teams were hoping for losses post ASG. That is not a sign of a healthy league. Also, GSW, HOU, TOR, BOS didn't get to where they are by tanking... and they own the league right now. The draft is too unpredictable to warrant throwing away a season for. The Lakers tanked and would still be irrelevant if Lebron didn't roll into town. It just doesn't pay.

GSW got Curry/Barnes at 7, Klay at 11. They didn't seriously tank but if they were a better team this wouldn't have happened.

Jury's still out for Toronto, they were thinking about tanking if Kawaii wasn't available or the trade doesn't work out. DD at 9, Val at 5.

The Celts got Smart at 6, but mainly got lucky cuz the Nets' owners were stupid, they got 3 high picks, it's almost like tanking. No teams are gonna do that again, rules have even changed cuz of it.

Rockets got lucky OKC's owners were stupid, how often would the Harden trade happen? Interesting how Morey's protege was the one who did the extreme tank. Well done, even tho Morey did do some shady stuff to get there.(treating players like cargo)

OTOH, I wouldn't say 20 teams are treadmill. Since serious tanking, the league and most teams have gotten younger, young teams don't qualify as treadmill.

What Silver did and what I would have done are two different things entirely. Someone "doing something" doesn't mean their job is done.

Lets see if he's just gonna do an incremental approach and do more later. What're you gonna do?

Curry at 7 and Klay at 11 kind of proves my point. That's right where the Cavs might be if they play their butts off. Playing hard might mean they need to pick a little smarter, but is also a better environment to develop your picks.

If the Cavs play their butts off and gets the 11th pick, that'd be their worst case scenario! 7th would be lucky.

In last season's All-Star game there were Four #1 picks, three #2's, four #3's and one #4. That's half the rosters. The other 12 were pick #6, 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 15, 24, 30, 35 and 45. That means that 21% of the All-Stars weren't even lottery picks! So yeah, Fighting hard for lottery balls makes picking an all-star easier but it also destroys the team you have now. You could argue that, since Denver didn't make the playoffs they would have been better of tanking, getting a better pick and coming into this season with a player like Trae Young or Wendell Carter. Maybe... but would they have started out like this after setting that type of culture?

Well, the Nuggets already were bad for a while and got some good young guys in Harris, Nurkic and Murray, lucked into Jokic(and good drafting of course). They do have a good team, just are in a tough conference.

OTOH, if the team's got exceptional scouting/development like the Spurs, tanking isn't necessary. But that's pretty rare. Even for them, if they didn't get Duncan with tanking, they wouldn't be who they are.

As the average age of the league goes down, so falls the average age of the treadmill team. KAT and Wiggins are 22 & 23. How many more mediocre seasons before we call the Wolves a treadmill team? I'd say the answer is "today, immediately after the trade news broke"!

~lol~ true. But we can't write them off just yet, maybe DRose can transform them? Maybe they become extremely upbeat after the trade? Or maybe new coach/GM?