PG Portland - Backcourt Domination

Wisky4life · Post #101 » by **Wisky4life** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:34 am

Went to the game. Was a pretty good crowd and were in it the whole game. It was Loud. Moda Center is pretty cool for anyone that is in Portland for a game.

Bucks didn't play too bad but basically missed to many shots and Portland never missed in the 2nd half. Some of those calls were pretty crap though.

Also I got to see Snell dribble and draw a foul. I told my fiance' that I feel it is the first time in 3 years that I saw him do that.

Wisky4life · Post #102 » by **Wisky4life** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:35 am

bizarro wrote:Ugly. Plain and simple.

Did you end up going to the game?

MrHoneycutt · Post #103 » by **MrHoneycutt** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:35 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
MrHoneycutt wrote:Nothing would cleanse the palate like beating down Golden State

Might wanna grab a coke instead

Plossum · Post #104 » by **Plossum** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:41 am

It’s worth noting the new rule changes have made defending teams with strong shooting backcourts really difficult. Portland has really benefitted from these changes as have teams like GSW (as if they needed more help!) and even the Kings. Making it hard to defend the point of attack from the perimeter.

That and Portland is good. No shame losing to them in Oregon. We’re going to have rough games. Just hopefully not too many of them.

LillardPortland · Post #105 » by **LillardPortland** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:42 am

rilamann wrote:How is a team coached by Terry Stotts that good? Haha.

Also a Coach can improve during his Career.

drone3 · Post #106 » by **drone3** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:43 am

Magic Giannison wrote:Can someone explain me why we tried to run at the paint in the last 4-5 minutes ? Its like Kidd took over and we reverted to bad days all of sudden

I was thinking the same thing, it was quite bizarre. Besides Donte and Brook everyone avoided taking 3's.

blazza18 · Post #107 » by **blazza18** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:52 am

Might be a hot take but I'm not sure if we can be a top 10 defence if we continue to sag the big man and have two (imo) poor defenders starting on the wing.

And yea Giannis still being indecisive outside the paint is massively frustrating. You pair that with not fully knowing where to be in Bud's system yet and all the turnovers, It's been a unexpected start to the season imo.

TD75 · Post #108 » by **TD75** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:15 am

This team needs a lot of work.

The offense becomes stagnant too often.

The defense is read like a book from anyone who cares to figure it out. Good teams will figure it out and punish the Bucks.

Bud may want to develop good habits before adjusting, but the league does not wait for him to do so. From a point on, in order to improve you need to address deficiencies, and that includes making in game adjustments. There is no teaching value in loosing repeatedly due to the same problems.

The team has made strides towards a positive direction compared to last year. However, it still is not where it should be and a lot of things need to change, especially on key players (such as Giannis, Bledsoe) and a few non key players (e.g. Brogdon). That is not a small task.

kid idioteque · Post #109 » by **kid idioteque** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:29 am

Bad night for the Bucks but not a bad night otherwise...

FrieAaron · Post #110 » by **FrieAaron** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:32 am

This team needs a lot of work? Let's step back from the ledge a little bit. This is our hardest 4 game stretch of the year. Such that even going 1-3 would be not bad. And while they were definitely getting too many good looks from three, especially early, this was not the Boston game. Those 24 midrange shots are what we wanted them taking, and many of them were tough long twos on top of it, but they hit 80% of them. Oh well.

AussieBuck · Post #111 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:39 am

They were basically 2011 OKC series Dirk from midrange and we played messy as ****. Eh, we'll get there.

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Nightfall · Post #112 » by **Nightfall** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:52 am

AussieBuck · Post #113 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:54 am

We're going to finish with something like a 115 or so per 100 offense. If we regress to just average on D we'll only be a 55-60 win team. If we spent all season at 100 per 100 defensively we'd be a 75 or so win team lol.

Fotis St · Post #114 » by **Fotis St** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:58 am

TD75 wrote:
Bud may want to develop good habits before adjusting, but the league does not wait for him to do so. From a point on, in order to improve you need to address deficiencies...

I will watch the full game later ... but reading all of you ... this part from TD75's post made sense to me. I believe Bud tries to teach our players to actually acknowledge their defeciences. Alot of times teachers let you make the mistakes, even lose, in order to teach you the right way of things.
This is why he said I mostly watch our game. If we reached our average scoring on offense this was a win. So it seems we missed shots and maybe our pace was not high.

I believe in Bud, we are on good hands. He teaches our players, what it takes to win. He propably prefers to not adjust in game at this point of the season in order to teach them for the long term.

On to the next guys. We are a really, really good team when we are locked in Bud's system

HKPackFan · Post #115 » by **HKPackFan** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 8:00 am

AussieBuck wrote:We're going to finish with something like a 115 or so per 100 offense. If we regress to just average on D we'll only be a 55-60 win team. If we spent all season at 100 per 100 defensively we'd be a 75 or so win team lol.

ONLY 55 WINS!?! This team should win every game except split with Boston and a couple losses to GS, we aren't going 78-4????

AussieBuck · Post #116 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 8:08 am

HKPackFan wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:We're going to finish with something like a 115 or so per 100 offense. If we regress to just average on D we'll only be a 55-60 win team. If we spent all season at 100 per 100 defensively we'd be a 75 or so win team lol.

ONLY 55 WINS!?! This team should win every game except split with Boston and a couple losses to GS, we aren't going 78-4????

I'm still on the 60 wins bandwagon. 115/108 should get us there.

Pachinko_ · Post #117 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 8:14 am

AussieBuck wrote:They were basically 2011 OKC series Dirk from midrange and we played messy as ****. Eh, we'll get there.

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Κemba was hot, Celtics were hot, Blazers were hot
Hmmmnah.

AussieBuck · Post #118 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 8:47 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:They were basically 2011 OKC series Dirk from midrange and we played messy as ****. Eh, we'll get there.

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Κemba was hot, Celtics were hot, Blazers were hot
Hmmmnah.

They hit almost all of their midrange shots. This is variance. :dontknow:

Reckon we're a little better than average defense over the course of the season. Sometimes the gods won't be kind and we'll miss more than usual and the opposition will make more. meh. We're probably a good year away from a proper good defense. If the NBA had an actual pre-season like normal sports I'm guessing we would be more advanced but without that it'll be a slow process.

HKPackFan · Post #119 » by **HKPackFan** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 8:47 am

AussieBuck wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:We're going to finish with something like a 115 or so per 100 offense. If we regress to just average on D we'll only be a 55-60 win team. If we spent all season at 100 per 100 defensively we'd be a 75 or so win team lol.

ONLY 55 WINS!?! This team should win every game except split with Boston and a couple losses to GS, we aren't going 78-4????

I'm still on the 60 wins bandwagon. 115/108 should get us there.

Just looking at the way the team has played their first 10 games, if they continue to look like they destroy the losing teams by 20+ points a night, that's a lost of easy Ws.

Nets, Heat, Hawks, Bulls, Cavs (all losing records we play 4 times) that's 20 Wins.
Magic, Knicks, Wizards (all losing records we play 3 times). That's 9 Wins.
Suns, Mavs, Wolves, Pelicans, Lakers, Jazz, Rockets (play 2 times) That's 14 Wins.
That's 43 Wins against losing teams (make it 40 in case a team improves/we have a couple crappy nights).

You split with the teams in the east with a positive W/L record:
Raptors (2-1), Pacers (2-2), Celtics (1-2), 76ers (2-1), Hornets (2-2) (That's another 9 W's).

Then take 1 W from the middle of the pack West: Spurs, Kings, Thunder, Grizzles: 4 more W's.
Don't even take a win from the top 3 in the west.

Very conservatively speaking we have 53 wins, without much controversy. Beating bad teams, splitting with good and medium level teams.

This is could definitely be a 60 win team, it's not a stretch to make that claim. They have about 5-7 games vs quality competition where they need to play good consistent ball and not just show up to hit 60.

yannisk · Post #120 » by **yannisk** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 9:20 am

Bucks have excelled developing Giannis physically and have completely messed his shot (not that he is not at fault also for not concentrating his training there)

Giannis came as an ok shooter in his first year. Bucks correctly in my opinion decided his shoot form was not good and decided to restructure his shot. So they brought a shot doctor who changed his form but they did not have him to continue working with him. From what we heard Giannis never had a training focusing on his shooting. Giannis goes from 35% 3p in his first year to 15% his second.

then his shooting starts creeping up each year, it is obvious though his form is over complicated with many moving parts and slow release.

Then Bud comes and they change the shot again and Giannis goes from 30% to single digits 3p.