PG Portland - Backcourt Domination

Fotis St · Post #121 » by **Fotis St** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 10:49 am

Stop it with the Giannis pressure to shoot the 3.
Start pressuring the FO to get Butler or a superstar next to him.

I have seen alot of times Khris,Bled, Brog to choke when it matters most and it is alerting.

Bud's record at playoffs is not that successful to calm my worries down.

I am raising the "Get Butler" flag soon.
We can say that it is just one game, but adding the Boston game makes you wonder if the sky is not the limit of this roster even under Bud.

I am not worried about our record, cause they are all on contract year and will do their best to get paid as much as possible. I am worried about the playoffs

BucksTuga · Post #122 » by **BucksTuga** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 11:48 am

The helping game has to change. Whereas with Kidd we were overhelping and trapping every moving thing with two legs now with Bud the big man never leaves the dog house.
While I understand the idea of forcing to drive and shoot a mid-ranger that strategy kills us when dealing with relentless shooters like Kemba, Kyrie or CJ who just need the room created by the pick to let it fly on a default top of the key PNR.
We also were constantly murdered on pin downs as it seems like they have specific instructions to don't switch on defense.
I'm afraid that if nothing changes on the defensive side of the ball we'll have to put in a shooting show night in night out if we want to win games.

slos · Post #123 » by **slos** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 11:51 am

Fotis St wrote:Stop it with the Giannis pressure to shoot the 3.
Start pressuring the FO to get Butler or a superstar next to him.

I have seen alot of times Khris,Bled, Brog to choke when it matters most and it is alerting.

Bud's record at playoffs is not that successful to calm my worries down.

I am raising the "Get Butler" flag soon.
We can say that it is just one game, but adding the Boston game makes you wonder if the sky is not the limit of this roster even under Bud.

I am not worried about our record, cause they are all on contract year and will do their best to get paid as much as possible. I am worried about the playoffs

Bucks are in a good place right now, but it’s pretty obvious even when winning that they are one Butler, Beal, McCollum away from the finals. It’s not like you don’t have the assets to do it. Bledsoe, Brogdon, DDV, picks, even Maker, Brown, Wilson have value. Probably more than this board thinks. Henson and Snell could be considered now at neutral value after their start and be used like salary fillers.

steger_3434 · Post #124 » by **steger_3434** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:11 pm

I know we aren’t winning every game, but losses like this still suck. Teams basically get whatever shots they want against us. Our defense is hoping they aren’t hot

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Pachinko_ · Post #125 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:24 pm

Well, Snell is back at 50% 3pt shooting, and has some pretty good advanced metrics (I suspect because he's permanently the worst player in a pretty good unit). If you get a GM a little drunk you could sell him in the Smart/Bazemore/Danny Green category.
Maybe he won't notice that his contract is actually growing by about $1m a year.

MAC1987 · Post #126 » by **MAC1987** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:29 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:Keep focusing on Giannis while ignoring tons of problems we got. Our defense on PNR is terrible, beyond awful,our guards **** the bed like 90% of the time in games we need em.

Brogdon has done this crap many times before,he overdripples remains static and then forces crap.

Either stop the point crap with him or trade him for a better SG, simple as that. he is a liability on D

Bucks need to be perfect plain and simple...

MAC1987 · Post #127 » by **MAC1987** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:32 pm

From looking at the comments, it sounds like we just lost a chance to go to the playoffs. It was a must win. And we lost. Season over....

jschligs · Post #128 » by **jschligs** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:40 pm

MAC1987 wrote:From looking at the comments, it sounds like we just lost a chance to go to the playoffs. It was a must win. And we lost. Season over....

My man!!

Tough loss, now time to focus on the next game in this tough stretch. Lots of little things to work on, one big thing...defense. The good teams will torch is from deep as the season goes.

BuckFan25226 · Post #129 » by **BuckFan25226** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:42 pm

steger_3434 wrote:I know we aren’t winning every game, but losses like this still suck. Teams basically get whatever shots they want against us. Our defense is hoping they aren’t hot

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We are getting whatever shots we want in most cases as well. I believe we were first or second in defensive efficiency going into last night's game. The reality is, we are not going to beat a team like that on the road when Bledsoe and Brogdon score less than 10 points combined in 57 min. Especially when CJ goes off. Just dont get swept on this roadtrip and I'll be happy.

Fresh_Prince12 · Post #130 » by **Fresh_Prince12** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 12:48 pm

Hate that Giannis still hesitating on shooting 3s. He takes a dribble and two steps in then takes a contested jumper. Just let it fly

Snell is playing well though

leroyjw10 · Post #131 » by **leroyjw10** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:08 pm

The thread title says it all. Brogdon and Bledsoe couldn't have played worse. Even an average game from them and there's a good chance we win.

Bledsoe, perhaps more than anyone else, will determine how far this team goes, which is a scary thought. Giannis and Midds will get theirs. Bucks don't necessarily need Bledsoe to be good. They just need him to be not bad. Tonight he was very bad.

The Rodzilla · Post #132 » by **The Rodzilla** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:27 pm

its not too late to bring delly back into the mixture

raysbookclub · Post #133 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:37 pm

Not a fan of Bledsoe. Please don't re-sign him, Bucks.

I'm not too concerned, this early in the season, with the PnR defense and the problems that elite offensive players are giving us (Kyrie, McCollum, Lilliard, Kemba). Right now, the Bucks need to work on getting their defensive system down, and then later in the season and for sure in the post-season, they can make adjustments for specific players.

yannisk · Post #134 » by **yannisk** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:41 pm

For all the talk of Giannis putting his head down and attacking the basket, I think the worst is Brogdon he never passes after he decides to attack the basket (or on fast breaks). He has a big body and usually overwhelms his defender but his finishing of the board is suspect. He has to work on this, plus he has to look for a kick-out when the big guy comes.

Frankly he is good player but since he is in a contract year I wouldn't mind trading him for a starter SG

crkone · Post #135 » by **crkone** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:42 pm

They were beasts in tight coverage, nothing you can really do about that.

The Bucks did allow 32 wide open/open 3 pointers. Portland made 16 of those. The amount of open 3s they gave up would lead the league this season on a per game basis. The wide open 3s allowed would be more respectable at only 13th most per game over the early season.

raysbookclub · Post #136 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:45 pm

Lol'd at Bledsoe in the 2nd quarter getting his layup blocked by three, yes, three, defenders.

glenn · Post #137 » by **glenn** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 1:53 pm

I like Bledsoe, but when he’s cold he can be brutal.

The open threes were troubling, but their guards would get a decent screen and launch it almost immediately. Not sure what the solution is.

Not overly concerned with the loss. Even in the blowout wins you can tell the team isn’t 100% acclimated to the new system yet. I think they’ll get better.

JimmyTheKid · Post #138 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 2:01 pm

Tough loss. Not a discouraging or bad loss, though. Portland just handled us. They're a problematic matchup. Aminu did a fantastic job on Giannis. McCollum was ridiculous. He and/or Lillard have the capability of doing that any given night. Evan Turner was a problem. And we were uncharacteristically outrebounded. Tip your cap. Still, 10 games in and we haven't had what I would call a "bad" loss. On to the next one.

RubberSoul · Post #139 » by **RubberSoul** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 2:01 pm

Brogdon is so frustrating to watch. He pounds the air out of the ball, has tunnel vision when he attacks the basket and is a very suspect finisher at the rim. At this point I think I’d rather start Snell again not that I like Snell but at least he knows his role.

JimmyTheKid · Post #140 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Wed Nov 7, 2018 2:08 pm

HKPackFan wrote:
tydett wrote:Giannis is great. Probably the best Buck since Kareem. But his hesitation when he gets the ball open at the top of the key hamstrings this offense at times. Teams know he's afraid to shoot it, so they let him sit up there and close the gaps created by the ball movement and reset. Sometimes this means that Giannis is able to drive and dunk with his incredible natural gifts. Othertimes, it leads to good position for drawing offensive fouls or turnovers because defenders have position on our guys.

He has to get it in his mind that he's either going to release on an open 3 or look to move it immediately, because when he hesitates for even a second, it leads to some really ugly basketball.

Ya that hesitation was old habit. Was annoying seeing it creep up all game. We saw it all last season, we were promised it was gone.

Old Kidd habits die hard.

THIS is the kind of fun stuff I was alluding to early on in the season. One of the hottest starts in franchise history? "Bud for President!!!" A semi-dud of a game? "Tough to shake those old Kidd-habits." But this is why I keep coming back here. Pure entertainment.