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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1861 » by UCFJayBird » Wed Nov 7, 2018 2:06 pm

Good showing by UCF basketball last night. I didn't catch it but it sounds like outside a slow start and Tacko getting into foul trouble early we looked good.

CFP is a joke. 2 loss Kentucky ahead of us. 3 loss Florida at #15. UCF stuck at #12.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1862 » by UCF » Wed Nov 7, 2018 2:55 pm

The playoff is a joke. Teams getting blown out stay ranked.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1863 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Nov 7, 2018 3:07 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:Good showing by UCF basketball last night. I didn't catch it but it sounds like outside a slow start and Tacko getting into foul trouble early we looked good.

CFP is a joke. 2 loss Kentucky ahead of us. 3 loss Florida at #15. UCF stuck at #12.


A good loss is worth more than a bad win.

UCF has nothing but bad wins.

You guys act like their is an evil empire built for the sole purpose of skewing over this one university.

The formula is well understood by all. You can’t flip your schedule over night as conference schedules are more or less pre-defines and non-conference games are set years in advance.

It isn’t the teams fault that they are good at the same time their SOS barely qualifies as D1. But it isn’t the commitee’s fault either. It’s just bad luck.

What I 100% do blame UCF for is spinning their wheels, making the same scheduling mistakes and pointing fingures elsewhere. High quality games have been offered to UCF but they turn them down for short term financial gains. If that is what matters fine. I can understand that. But you can’t choose to pass on quality opponents and then cry when you’re left out of the party.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1864 » by drsd » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:47 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:Good showing by UCF basketball last night. I didn't catch it but it sounds like outside a slow start and Tacko getting into foul trouble early we looked good.

CFP is a joke. 2 loss Kentucky ahead of us. 3 loss Florida at #15. UCF stuck at #12.


A good loss is worth more than a bad win.



That a 2-loss Kentucky is ahead of the Knights is fairly baffling. But that has UCF at #11.

For example, a 2-loss LSU really needs to be above the Knights. I am curious to see if UCF can stay ahead of Washington St. and WVU at season's end.

Basically if the Knights win out, I have them at about #7.

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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1865 » by drsd » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:47 pm

From ESPN:
One team is undefeated and winner of 21 games in a row. The other has lost six consecutive outings and is trying to avoid its longest slide in 16 years.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1866 » by UCFJayBird » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:30 pm

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UCFJayBird wrote:Good showing by UCF basketball last night. I didn't catch it but it sounds like outside a slow start and Tacko getting into foul trouble early we looked good.

CFP is a joke. 2 loss Kentucky ahead of us. 3 loss Florida at #15. UCF stuck at #12.


A good loss is worth more than a bad win.

UCF has nothing but bad wins.

You guys act like their is an evil empire built for the sole purpose of skewing over this one university.

The formula is well understood by all. You can’t flip your schedule over night as conference schedules are more or less pre-defines and non-conference games are set years in advance.

It isn’t the teams fault that they are good at the same time their SOS barely qualifies as D1. But it isn’t the commitee’s fault either. It’s just bad luck.

What I 100% do blame UCF for is spinning their wheels, making the same scheduling mistakes and pointing fingures elsewhere. High quality games have been offered to UCF but they turn them down for short term financial gains. If that is what matters fine. I can understand that. But you can’t choose to pass on quality opponents and then cry when you’re left out of the party.


Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't realize the purpose of sports was to find out who has the hardest schedule. I thought it was to find out who would win on the field. Guess not.

We're not acting like the CFP is an evil empire out to screw over UCF, we're acting like it's a biased, manipulative, subjective committee that pretends to be fair when it's nothing more than a glorified 4-team invitational tournament for the biggest brands in the country who are putting their own self interests ($$$) over the purpose of the game. Don't want G5 schools to have a legit shot? Stop pretending and split off into their own division and play each exclusively. Otherwise, make the playoff fair and give every team in FBS a chance.

Losses have to mean something. 21 wins in a row has to mean something. People act like UCF's 21 wins in a row isn't impressive because of our SOS (mind you there's 4 ranked wins in there), but if it was easy to do we'd see teams do it all the time. Why is no other team doing it?

Last week it was "you don't have any wins over anyone above .500", this week we have 3, and we still didn't move up despite TWO teams above us losing. LSU couldn't score a damn point against Alabama and didn't fall out of the Top 10. Maybe LSU is better than UCF, but they had their shot at the top team in the country and laid a giant goose egg. As far as i'm concerned they should be behind ANY team that has even a .01% chance of making the playoff. Kentucky lost again and slipped two spots. In week 8 they were 5-1 and 14th in the AP. Since then they've gone 2-1, and have moved UP in that poll during that stretch after beating Missouri and Vanderbilt, and they struggled against both (needed a miracle to beat Missouri). Give me a break.

3 loss UF is #15, while 1 loss Cincy isn't even in the poll. Why? So the SEC schools wins look better, while a team like UCF's won't. Auburn is back in the Top 25 with 3 losses, why? So if Georgia beats them it looks better. Why is Michigan State back at #18? So if Ohio State beats them it looks better. Miss St is 16th. Who are they playing? Alabama. Just like in year's past those teams will be included in the "Top 25 Wins" for these schools, even if they don't end the year in the Top 25. Miss State has one decent win vs Auburn, but the rest is a joke (LA Tech, SFA, Louisiana State, Kansas State, are you joking?).

Losses should matter. Yea, they might be to really good teams. But they're still LOSSES. a 3 loss team should not be ahead of a 1 loss team. a 2 loss team should not be ahead of a 0 loss team unless the circumstances are EXTREME (like both your losses were to Top 5 or Top 10 teams).

People say we couldn't compete with a P5 schedule. Does anyone honestly think we wouldn't be leading the ACC Coastal and competing for the ACC? Or the Pac12 South or North? I'll even concede maybe we'd have a loss at this point, but even with 1 loss in those conferences we'd be ranked higher. And I see no reason we wouldn't be at least a 1 loss team in either conference.

You say we act like an evil empire is out to get UCF, I disagree. We're simply asking people to take their head out of the sand and be honest about the current system, and stop making excuses for schools in the SEC. Prove it on the field.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1867 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Nov 7, 2018 6:54 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:Good showing by UCF basketball last night. I didn't catch it but it sounds like outside a slow start and Tacko getting into foul trouble early we looked good.

CFP is a joke. 2 loss Kentucky ahead of us. 3 loss Florida at #15. UCF stuck at #12.


A good loss is worth more than a bad win.

UCF has nothing but bad wins.

You guys act like their is an evil empire built for the sole purpose of skewing over this one university.

The formula is well understood by all. You can’t flip your schedule over night as conference schedules are more or less pre-defines and non-conference games are set years in advance.

It isn’t the teams fault that they are good at the same time their SOS barely qualifies as D1. But it isn’t the commitee’s fault either. It’s just bad luck.

What I 100% do blame UCF for is spinning their wheels, making the same scheduling mistakes and pointing fingures elsewhere. High quality games have been offered to UCF but they turn them down for short term financial gains. If that is what matters fine. I can understand that. But you can’t choose to pass on quality opponents and then cry when you’re left out of the party.


Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't realize the purpose of sports was to find out who has the hardest schedule. I thought it was to find out who would win on the field. Guess not.

We're not acting like the CFP is an evil empire out to screw over UCF, we're acting like it's a biased, manipulative, subjective committee that pretends to be fair when it's nothing more than a glorified 4-team invitational tournament for the biggest brands in the country who are putting their own self interests ($$$) over the purpose of the game. Don't want G5 schools to have a legit shot? Stop pretending and split off into their own division and play each exclusively. Otherwise, make the playoff fair and give every team in FBS a chance.

Losses have to mean something. 21 wins in a row has to mean something. People act like UCF's 21 wins in a row isn't impressive because of our SOS (mind you there's 4 ranked wins in there), but if it was easy to do we'd see teams do it all the time. Why is no other team doing it?

Last week it was "you don't have any wins over anyone above .500", this week we have 3, and we still didn't move up despite TWO teams above us losing. LSU couldn't score a damn point against Alabama and didn't fall out of the Top 10. Maybe LSU is better than UCF, but they had their shot at the top team in the country and laid a giant goose egg. As far as i'm concerned they should be behind ANY team that has even a .01% chance of making the playoff. Kentucky lost again and slipped two spots. In week 8 they were 5-1 and 14th in the AP. Since then they've gone 2-1, and have moved UP in that poll during that stretch after beating Missouri and Vanderbilt, and they struggled against both (needed a miracle to beat Missouri). Give me a break.

3 loss UF is #15, while 1 loss Cincy isn't even in the poll. Why? So the SEC schools wins look better, while a team like UCF's won't. Auburn is back in the Top 25 with 3 losses, why? So if Georgia beats them it looks better. Why is Michigan State back at #18? So if Ohio State beats them it looks better. Miss St is 16th. Who are they playing? Alabama. Just like in year's past those teams will be included in the "Top 25 Wins" for these schools, even if they don't end the year in the Top 25. Miss State has one decent win vs Auburn, but the rest is a joke (LA Tech, SFA, Louisiana State, Kansas State, are you joking?).

Losses should matter. Yea, they might be to really good teams. But they're still LOSSES. a 3 loss team should not be ahead of a 1 loss team. a 2 loss team should not be ahead of a 0 loss team unless the circumstances are EXTREME (like both your losses were to Top 5 or Top 10 teams).

People say we couldn't compete with a P5 schedule. Does anyone honestly think we wouldn't be leading the ACC Coastal and competing for the ACC? Or the Pac12 South or North? I'll even concede maybe we'd have a loss at this point, but even with 1 loss in those conferences we'd be ranked higher. And I see no reason we wouldn't be at least a 1 loss team in either conference.

You say we act like an evil empire is out to get UCF, I disagree. We're simply asking people to take their head out of the sand and be honest about the current system, and stop making excuses for schools in the SEC. Prove it on the field.


This isn’t basketball where you can have a massive tournament.

Football is a violent sport which requires a limited schedule and time between games for recovery.

Therefore you have no choice at all but to draw arbitrary lines in the sand for determining who would make for the best competition in a small playoff bracket.

Surely you don’t believe that all wins / losses are created equal. So you have to understand that SOS is a must in determining these finalists when the head-to-head data is basically non-existent across a league of 130 schools.


The system is FLAWED in that it tries to solve a problem where no true solution exists. We all agree there. That does not mean the system is RIGGED. Like the system or not, it is what it is and UCF repeatedly chooses not to play. So who’s fault is it really?
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1868 » by UCFJayBird » Wed Nov 7, 2018 9:24 pm

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UCFJayBird wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
A good loss is worth more than a bad win.

UCF has nothing but bad wins.

You guys act like their is an evil empire built for the sole purpose of skewing over this one university.

The formula is well understood by all. You can’t flip your schedule over night as conference schedules are more or less pre-defines and non-conference games are set years in advance.

It isn’t the teams fault that they are good at the same time their SOS barely qualifies as D1. But it isn’t the commitee’s fault either. It’s just bad luck.

What I 100% do blame UCF for is spinning their wheels, making the same scheduling mistakes and pointing fingures elsewhere. High quality games have been offered to UCF but they turn them down for short term financial gains. If that is what matters fine. I can understand that. But you can’t choose to pass on quality opponents and then cry when you’re left out of the party.


Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't realize the purpose of sports was to find out who has the hardest schedule. I thought it was to find out who would win on the field. Guess not.

We're not acting like the CFP is an evil empire out to screw over UCF, we're acting like it's a biased, manipulative, subjective committee that pretends to be fair when it's nothing more than a glorified 4-team invitational tournament for the biggest brands in the country who are putting their own self interests ($$$) over the purpose of the game. Don't want G5 schools to have a legit shot? Stop pretending and split off into their own division and play each exclusively. Otherwise, make the playoff fair and give every team in FBS a chance.

Losses have to mean something. 21 wins in a row has to mean something. People act like UCF's 21 wins in a row isn't impressive because of our SOS (mind you there's 4 ranked wins in there), but if it was easy to do we'd see teams do it all the time. Why is no other team doing it?

Last week it was "you don't have any wins over anyone above .500", this week we have 3, and we still didn't move up despite TWO teams above us losing. LSU couldn't score a damn point against Alabama and didn't fall out of the Top 10. Maybe LSU is better than UCF, but they had their shot at the top team in the country and laid a giant goose egg. As far as i'm concerned they should be behind ANY team that has even a .01% chance of making the playoff. Kentucky lost again and slipped two spots. In week 8 they were 5-1 and 14th in the AP. Since then they've gone 2-1, and have moved UP in that poll during that stretch after beating Missouri and Vanderbilt, and they struggled against both (needed a miracle to beat Missouri). Give me a break.

3 loss UF is #15, while 1 loss Cincy isn't even in the poll. Why? So the SEC schools wins look better, while a team like UCF's won't. Auburn is back in the Top 25 with 3 losses, why? So if Georgia beats them it looks better. Why is Michigan State back at #18? So if Ohio State beats them it looks better. Miss St is 16th. Who are they playing? Alabama. Just like in year's past those teams will be included in the "Top 25 Wins" for these schools, even if they don't end the year in the Top 25. Miss State has one decent win vs Auburn, but the rest is a joke (LA Tech, SFA, Louisiana State, Kansas State, are you joking?).

Losses should matter. Yea, they might be to really good teams. But they're still LOSSES. a 3 loss team should not be ahead of a 1 loss team. a 2 loss team should not be ahead of a 0 loss team unless the circumstances are EXTREME (like both your losses were to Top 5 or Top 10 teams).

People say we couldn't compete with a P5 schedule. Does anyone honestly think we wouldn't be leading the ACC Coastal and competing for the ACC? Or the Pac12 South or North? I'll even concede maybe we'd have a loss at this point, but even with 1 loss in those conferences we'd be ranked higher. And I see no reason we wouldn't be at least a 1 loss team in either conference.

You say we act like an evil empire is out to get UCF, I disagree. We're simply asking people to take their head out of the sand and be honest about the current system, and stop making excuses for schools in the SEC. Prove it on the field.


This isn’t basketball where you can have a massive tournament.

Football is a violent sport which requires a limited schedule and time between games for recovery.

Therefore you have no choice at all but to draw arbitrary lines in the sand for determining who would make for the best competition in a small playoff bracket.

Surely you don’t believe that all wins / losses are created equal. So you have to understand that SOS is a must in determining these finalists when the head-to-head data is basically non-existent across a league of 130 schools.


The system is FLAWED in that it tries to solve a problem where no true solution exists. We all agree there. That does not mean the system is RIGGED. Like the system or not, it is what it is and UCF repeatedly chooses not to play. So who’s fault is it really?


Of course i don't think all wins/losses are created equal. I firmly understand why a 1 loss school can be ahead of UCF.

I'm not advocating for a "massive tournament" like the NCAA. FCS does a 16 team playoff just fine. Are their football games so drastically less physically demanding and dangerous that it's ok for them but not for FBS? And few people are even advocating that much, most are only advocating an 8 team playoff with 1 spot guaranteed for each of the P5 Champs and 1 G5 Champ.

Right now you have one extra game for 2 teams (the first round of the CFP is akin to playing any other bowl game). If you went to an 8 team playoff, you'd have 4 teams playing one extra game, and 2 teams playing one more game after that. It's really not that big of a stretch.

And if the concern is truly that the season is too long, we should cut back on the regular season or limit how the number of games a player can appear in, not refuse to expand to a legitimate playoff.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1869 » by UCF » Wed Nov 7, 2018 11:03 pm

I can see a one loss team being ahead of us. 2 and 3 loss teams is where I draw the line.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1870 » by EAS Law » Thu Nov 8, 2018 12:02 am

The playoffs should be the winner of each conference championship plus two vote ins. There really isn’t a valid argument against that idea. I’m sorry 101, but you’re reaching hard to support your position. Football is physical? That’s why teams should be snubbed? Come on.

The system is a joke and unless situations like this end up in automatic bid for a “better” conference or a legitimate playoff, any other way is crap.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1871 » by nymets1 » Thu Nov 8, 2018 12:45 am

There's no reason they should have ever dropped us from #9 without losing. We definitely should be ranked above Washington State, West Virginia and Kentucky.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1872 » by drsd » Thu Nov 8, 2018 7:42 am

MagicFan101 wrote:This isn’t basketball where you can have a massive tournament.


This is false.

The FCS has a 16-team tournament.
Division 2 has a 22-team tournament.
Division 3 has a 32-team tournament.

These are leagues playing with exactly the same rule set as FBS teams.

An 8-team tournament is not unfair. What it does is reduce the Bowl structure's importance. i.e. it will cost money.

Not having an 8-team tournament, where all undefeated teams are guaranteed a ticket, is not "massive." But its is equitable and would determine the Champion "on the field."


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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1873 » by drsd » Thu Nov 8, 2018 7:43 am

EAS Law wrote:The playoffs should be the winner of each conference championship plus two vote ins. There really isn’t a valid argument against that idea. I’m sorry 101, but you’re reaching hard to support your position. Football is physical? That’s why teams should be snubbed? Come on.

The system is a joke and unless situations like this end up in automatic bid for a “better” conference or a legitimate playoff, any other way is crap.


This is something like a the tournament used for FCS.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1874 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Nov 8, 2018 1:13 pm

EAS Law wrote:The playoffs should be the winner of each conference championship plus two vote ins. There really isn’t a valid argument against that idea. I’m sorry 101, but you’re reaching hard to support your position. Football is physical? That’s why teams should be snubbed? Come on.

The system is a joke and unless situations like this end up in automatic bid for a “better” conference or a legitimate playoff, any other way is crap.


Missing the point is a common skill in these parts. Still, this right here might be a greater display of that than we have seen in some time.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1875 » by Nemesis21 » Thu Nov 8, 2018 1:52 pm

The system is not a joke, at least outside of UCF's fanbase. (For the record, I would like to see an 8 team playoff)

Yes 21 wins in a row is awesome. But of those 21, only 3 are vs top 25 ranked opponents. Also, UCF is three years removed from an 0-12 season.

Strength in schedule matters. UCF has a top 10 easiest SOS in 2018(Outside of Power 5 teams). For comparison sake, FSU is top 3 most difficult SOS in 2018, of the Power 5.

SOS is important and matters. UCF's SOS is not better than the two loss teams, not better than mid teams in SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and possibly the ACC.

Period.

Yes UCF can flat out score. A top scoring team in the country. But your defense is terrible. Gave up 40 points to a not very good Temple offense. The Cincy and USF games will be interesting.

Honestly you guys are ranked where you should be.


The bigger picture is get in a Power 5 and win like this.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1876 » by dsg2003mach1 » Thu Nov 8, 2018 2:14 pm

The system might not be a complete joke but it is seriously flawed and is highly influenced by subjective criteria. It is admittedly more difficult in the fact that you can't have football teams playing multiple games per week, a big tournament isn't realistic but 4 is still too small it seems.

When the season begins every team does not have an opportunity to compete for the championship and that's wrong. You make your schedule years out, you can't predict with any certainty how your team or the opponents you pick will progress/digress 2-3 years out.

If only teams from certain conferences are going to get consideration then there should be a clear path of progression through the conferences with standards to get in and be kicked out to make room for a better team. It shouldn't be such a good old boy network
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1877 » by UCF » Thu Nov 8, 2018 3:19 pm

The bowl system is outdated as a whole. Part of the problem is bowls feel they are entitled to certain days and time slots. Changing to a larger playoff would likely be in more profitable but would be at the expense of the traditional bowls.

Going to at least 8 makes it possible for all major conference champions to play + 1 G5 + 2 at large. Best teams get to play and decide it on the field.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1878 » by UCFJayBird » Thu Nov 8, 2018 3:21 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:The system is not a joke, at least outside of UCF's fanbase. (For the record, I would like to see an 8 team playoff)

Yes 21 wins in a row is awesome. But of those 21, only 3 are vs top 25 ranked opponents. Also, UCF is three years removed from an 0-12 season.


In the last 5 seasons (prior to this one) we've won two NY6 Bowl Games and 3 Conference Championships. Sure, there's a winless season in there, but thanks for ignoring everything else.

Strength in schedule matters. UCF has a top 10 easiest SOS in 2018(Outside of Power 5 teams). For comparison sake, FSU is top 3 most difficult SOS in 2018, of the Power 5.

SOS is important and matters. UCF's SOS is not better than the two loss teams, not better than mid teams in SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and possibly the ACC.

Period.


Remind me again how many Top 25 wins Alabama had going into the CFP selection last season? was it 3? Same as UCF? Ok, just making sure. What was there SOS? In the late 40s or 50s I think. How many losses did Alabama have and still make it in? Better yet, did they win their division, let alone their conference to earn that shot? Didn't think so.

Again, I thought the point of sports was to solve who was the best team on the field, not who plays the hardest schedules.

Yes UCF can flat out score. A top scoring team in the country. But your defense is terrible. Gave up 40 points to a not very good Temple offense. The Cincy and USF games will be interesting.


So it's ok for Oklahoma to get into a shoot out with Texas Tech, or barely squeak past Army, or for Notre Dame to barely beat Pitt, Vanderbilt, and Ball State, but UCF gets into a shoot out with Temple or has to come back @ Memphis and it's a testament to our weakness, while their wins are testaments to their resiliency and strengths? Sorry, not buying it.

Honestly you guys are ranked where you should be.

The bigger picture is get in a Power 5 and win like this.


Honestly, most UCF fans will admit we should be ranked probably 2-3 spots higher. I don't think very many realistic fans would argue we should be Top 8 right now. But we would argue that we deserve the chance to settle it on the field if we stay unbeaten. And THAT is the point. You can say UCF isn't as good as we claim it is all you want, and you may be right. But in the current playoff structure we'll never know for sure. Last year people said the exact same things about UCF, and we went out and beat Auburn (who themselves said they were motivated in that game).

The playoff is absolutely a joke. Imagine if in the NFL the Rams might be left out of the playoff because the NFC West was weaker than the other divisions and their SOS just wasn't good enough. Would that be a joke? Of course it would be. Same logic applies here. I get the financial reasons why the CFP wouldn't want to expand and why the bowl games wouldn't want it to, but from the aspect of the game itself, there's no valid argument against expanding it. None.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1879 » by UCFJayBird » Thu Nov 8, 2018 3:23 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:The playoffs should be the winner of each conference championship plus two vote ins. There really isn’t a valid argument against that idea. I’m sorry 101, but you’re reaching hard to support your position. Football is physical? That’s why teams should be snubbed? Come on.

The system is a joke and unless situations like this end up in automatic bid for a “better” conference or a legitimate playoff, any other way is crap.


Missing the point is a common skill in these parts. Still, this right here might be a greater display of that than we have seen in some time.


You 100% said that football is violent and used it as a reason to limit the # of games and thus not expand the playoff. Maybe you meant it differently, but that's what you said.

This isn’t basketball where you can have a massive tournament.

Football is a violent sport which requires a limited schedule and time between games for recovery.

Therefore you have no choice at all but to draw arbitrary lines in the sand for determining who would make for the best competition in a small playoff bracket.
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Re: #12 UCF [8-0]: vs Navy 

Post#1880 » by Nemesis21 » Thu Nov 8, 2018 3:55 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:The system is not a joke, at least outside of UCF's fanbase. (For the record, I would like to see an 8 team playoff)

Yes 21 wins in a row is awesome. But of those 21, only 3 are vs top 25 ranked opponents. Also, UCF is three years removed from an 0-12 season.


In the last 5 seasons (prior to this one) we've won two NY6 Bowl Games and 3 Conference Championships. Sure, there's a winless season in there, but thanks for ignoring everything else.

Strength in schedule matters. UCF has a top 10 easiest SOS in 2018(Outside of Power 5 teams). For comparison sake, FSU is top 3 most difficult SOS in 2018, of the Power 5.

SOS is important and matters. UCF's SOS is not better than the two loss teams, not better than mid teams in SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and possibly the ACC.

Period.


Remind me again how many Top 25 wins Alabama had going into the CFP selection last season? was it 3? Same as UCF? Ok, just making sure. What was there SOS? In the late 40s or 50s I think. How many losses did Alabama have and still make it in? Better yet, did they win their division, let alone their conference to earn that shot? Didn't think so.

Again, I thought the point of sports was to solve who was the best team on the field, not who plays the hardest schedules.

Yes UCF can flat out score. A top scoring team in the country. But your defense is terrible. Gave up 40 points to a not very good Temple offense. The Cincy and USF games will be interesting.


So it's ok for Oklahoma to get into a shoot out with Texas Tech, or barely squeak past Army, or for Notre Dame to barely beat Pitt, Vanderbilt, and Ball State, but UCF gets into a shoot out with Temple or has to come back @ Memphis and it's a testament to our weakness, while their wins are testaments to their resiliency and strengths? Sorry, not buying it.

Honestly you guys are ranked where you should be.

The bigger picture is get in a Power 5 and win like this.


Honestly, most UCF fans will admit we should be ranked probably 2-3 spots higher. I don't think very many realistic fans would argue we should be Top 8 right now. But we would argue that we deserve the chance to settle it on the field if we stay unbeaten. And THAT is the point. You can say UCF isn't as good as we claim it is all you want, and you may be right. But in the current playoff structure we'll never know for sure. Last year people said the exact same things about UCF, and we went out and beat Auburn (who themselves said they were motivated in that game).

The playoff is absolutely a joke. Imagine if in the NFL the Rams might be left out of the playoff because the NFC West was weaker than the other divisions and their SOS just wasn't good enough. Would that be a joke? Of course it would be. Same logic applies here. I get the financial reasons why the CFP wouldn't want to expand and why the bowl games wouldn't want it to, but from the aspect of the game itself, there's no valid argument against expanding it. None.



Actually they played 4(during regular season, 6 if post season included). Opening game vs #3 FSU, 11/4 vs #18 LSU, 11/11 vs #19 Miss St and 11/26 vs #6 Auburn(a loss), post season vs #1 Clemson and vs #3 Georgia. That's 4 teams in the top 6.


UCF - played 1 during regular season #22 USF. 3 if you include post season, vs #16 Memphis and #7 Auburn. That's 1 team in the top 5

4 wins vs top 6 vs 1 win vs top 6

So if you look at line A and B, you're telling me line B is stronger or looks better??? Seriously??

And actually Alabama had the 10th toughest schedule last year of Power 5 schools, not somewhere in the 40s like you thought.

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