PG Portland - Backcourt Domination

[JimmyTheKid]

You can't complain about Bledsoe when Giannis does 10 dumb things EVERY game

You can complain about any player as long as you keep the entire-body-of-work big picture in perspective. Thats why I typically don't ever complain about Giannis. And rarely complain about Bledsoe.

[tydett]

We've already seen a couple of teams closing out on John **** Henson shooting 3s. The biggest thing with Giannis is not that he's not making 3s, it's that he's not attempting them and instead taking 1.5-2 seconds to decide against shooting the 3 and then stepping into a long 2-pointer.

Last season, I think it was emunney who linked an article about Marcus Smart and his atrocious shooting but his willingness to shoot creating opportunities for himself and others. That's what we're looking for with Giannis. Even if he makes only 2/10 or whatever, when teams know that he's going to shoot the ball unconsciously, they'll close out and Giannis can then step right past the defender or find the open man when they overcompensate.

[Matches Malone]

Just a crap game from Bledsoe and Brogdon. That'll happen from time to time. Still not sold on either of them moving forward but also don't see a way to upgrade that unless we fell into a nice trade or drafted someone that just took off unexpectedly.

What really is starting to catch my eye is the turnovers from Giannis. I think he'll definitely cut them down as the season moves along but he's currently got 8, 6, 3, 5, 4, 4, 0, 4, 5, 6. I can live with him turning it over 2-3 times a game since he does so much, but those numbers need to go down, and I think they will as some of the times he's turning it over, it's because he's getting fouled and the refs never call it. Only 2 FT attempts last night is ridiculous. I could see at least a handful of times he got hacked and nothing was called.

[jschligs]

We've already seen a couple of teams closing out on John **** Henson shooting 3s. The biggest thing with Giannis is not that he's not making 3s, it's that he's not attempting them and instead taking 1.5-2 seconds to decide against shooting the 3 and then stepping into a long 2-pointer.

Last season, I think it was emunney who linked an article about Marcus Smart and his atrocious shooting but his willingness to shoot creating opportunities for himself and others. That's what we're looking for with Giannis. Even if he makes only 2/10 or whatever, when teams know that he's going to shoot the ball unconsciously, they'll close out and Giannis can then step right past the defender or find the open man when they overcompensate.

Yea, there were a few times that Giannis had easily 4-5 feet to shoot from the top of the arc and didn't do anything, and a few times he dribbled in 2 steps for a long two. That's Kidd still in his head. There is absolutely no reason to shoot that 2. Just shoot the dang 3 and get 4-5 attempts a game.

[Brewhoopfan]

The Bucks were not playing well against a hot shooting good team, and yet near the end of the 3rd qtr, it was still a close game. Of course, the final McCollum onslaught finished them off, but there is a silver lining.

Right now, it's like a pitcher going through the order a 2nd time. Bud and the Bucks have shown the NBA what they will try to do. Now teams are putting together gameplans to shut it down. Good teams will take away primary options. How will the Bucks adjust? Offensively, I think ball and player movement is key. There was lots of hesitation(except from Lopez) last night. If the Bucks don't create good spacing, Brogdon and Bledsoe will struggle.

It will be interesting what happens defensively. I guess we should expect some growing pains, and I suspect we'll see Bud tweak the system rather than scrap it. The wide open elbow shots are concerning. My pet peeve is when the big is in relatively good position, but doesn't even bother to get a hand up.

Everyone on this board has acknowledged a HUGE change of system under Bud. Early results are encouraging, but it's probably a mistake to think it's not going to take quite a bit of time to execute it properly.

[Ron Swanson]

19 of 24 from mid-range. Still not worried at all. How many teams are gonna shoot 80% from mid-range?

[ReasonablySober]

I couldn't give a **** about the mid-range shots. What I care about is the astronomical amount of good looks the Bucks are giving up from three.

[steger_3434]

19 of 24 from mid-range. Still not worried at all. How many teams are gonna shoot 80% from mid-range?

If we allow elbow jumpers like Portland got easily and wide open I’d assume a lot


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[Ron Swanson]

19 of 24 from mid-range. Still not worried at all. How many teams are gonna shoot 80% from mid-range?

If we allow elbow jumpers like Portland got easily and wide open I’d assume a lot


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You could lock some players in an empty gym and they wouldn't hit 80% of their off-the-dribble mid-range shots. McCollum hitting wide open looks is one thing. Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu chucking up/converting off-balance shots and contested floaters is another...

[kane0801]

Bledsoe seems disinterested,maybe he's not getting touches and he wants the ball in his hands but the Bucks don’t allow that

[skones]

Bledsoe seems disinterested,maybe he's not getting touches and he wants the ball in his hands but the Bucks don’t allow that

Bledsoe has always been a ball dominant player. That's where he's most comfortable. His skillset isn't exactly conducive to being a plus off the ball player.

[Sinobas]

It was funny to read Bucks fans giving the same criticisms of Stotts that Blazer fans feel. How he won't adjust to a guy who is killing you.

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls, and gets away with so much travelling. it's frustrating to watch from the other side. Even when the defender is straight up and Giannis rams into him, they call a defensive foul. Shaq got a lot of the same treatment.

[JimmyTheKid]

We've already seen a couple of teams closing out on John **** Henson shooting 3s. The biggest thing with Giannis is not that he's not making 3s, it's that he's not attempting them and instead taking 1.5-2 seconds to decide against shooting the 3 and then stepping into a long 2-pointer.

Last season, I think it was emunney who linked an article about Marcus Smart and his atrocious shooting but his willingness to shoot creating opportunities for himself and others. That's what we're looking for with Giannis. Even if he makes only 2/10 or whatever, when teams know that he's going to shoot the ball unconsciously, they'll close out and Giannis can then step right past the defender or find the open man when they overcompensate.

Yea, there were a few times that Giannis had easily 4-5 feet to shoot from the top of the arc and didn't do anything, and a few times he dribbled in 2 steps for a long two. That's Kidd still in his head. There is absolutely no reason to shoot that 2. Just shoot the dang 3 and get 4-5 attempts a game.

You don't seriously believe that, do you?

So let me get this straight, because Kidd discouraged Giannis from shooting threes in 2014 so he could develop other parts of his offensive repertoire, and not fall in love with the three, its affecting Giannis' ability to simply "let it fly" in 2018?

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[steger_3434]

19 of 24 from mid-range. Still not worried at all. How many teams are gonna shoot 80% from mid-range?

If we allow elbow jumpers like Portland got easily and wide open I’d assume a lot


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You could lock some players in an empty gym and they wouldn't hit 80% of their off-the-dribble mid-range shots. McCollum hitting wide open looks is one thing. Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu chucking up/converting off-balance shots and contested floaters is another...

You give Brian scalabrine an open gym and he’s hitting 80% elbow jumpers if wide open


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[jschligs]

It was funny to read Bucks fans giving the same criticisms of Stotts that Blazer fans feel. How he won't adjust to a guy who is killing you.

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls, and gets away with so much travelling. it's frustrating to watch from the other side. Even when the defender is straight up and Giannis rams into him, they call a defensive foul. Shaq got a lot of the same treatment.

Lol you clearly don't watch...he gets hammered in the post. Sure he gets away with travels, but not as often as you think.

[JimmyTheKid]

It was funny to read Bucks fans giving the same criticisms of Stotts that Blazer fans feel. How he won't adjust to a guy who is killing you.

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls, and gets away with so much travelling. it's frustrating to watch from the other side. Even when the defender is straight up and Giannis rams into him, they call a defensive foul. Shaq got a lot of the same treatment.

He doesn't travel. Watch closer. And he draws contact 90% of the time he goes up in traffic. Fouls aren't called 90% of the time.

[Ron Swanson]

If we allow elbow jumpers like Portland got easily and wide open I’d assume a lot


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You could lock some players in an empty gym and they wouldn't hit 80% of their off-the-dribble mid-range shots. McCollum hitting wide open looks is one thing. Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu chucking up/converting off-balance shots and contested floaters is another...

You give Brian scalabrine an open gym and he’s hitting 80% elbow jumpers if wide open


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Cool. Brian Scalabrine isn't hitting 80% of his mid-range elbow jumpers in an NBA game.....ever. That's the point.

[Bucksfan28]

Tough loss. However, it's nice when that is more about a team/player getting hot and our starting guards having unusually bad games, as opposed to simply being overmatched from start-to-finish.

Things I'm annoyed by: Perimeter Giannis in the half-court & the amount of open 3's conceded. I generally like defenders going over screens but there needs to be some resistance on the other side.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Bledsoe seems disinterested,maybe he's not getting touches and he wants the ball in his hands but the Bucks don’t allow that

bledsoes usage, shot attempts, and turnovers are down to career lows. assists are dramatically up to career high levels and seems much more focused on shut down defense this season as we saw last night on lillard.

we should all be in love with the transformation. it literally makes my eyes water how bought in he is.

next game he wont be ice cold on the shots he does take and maybe we can get another gaurd to match his defensive ability/intensity next to him. there isn't any doubt in my mind that if we'd put Bledsoe on mccollum it would have neutralized him a bit. gaurds light gaurds up in this league but Bledsoe is as good as it gets for the system we run.

[Bucksfan28]

Yea, not sure where the "Bledsoe is disinterested" point comes from. He seems pretty locked in. It's also nice that we run an offense which maximizes his ability to drive and pass in traffic, either to a shooter or the roll-man. Dude blows my mind with some of the ones he pulls out of his ***.