Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[shrink]

I think fultz, saric, Covington and the Miami pick for Butler and teague would be better than any other deal from Miami or Houston. We would cut almost 20m and get young potential starters in fultz and saric

Um this doesn’t even work.. $$ u can’t just add teague and not take back 20 million from him.
It would be fultz, saric, Covington for butler.


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I never argue with the trade machine...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd76yp7w

Start. It doesn’t get it right all the time. PHI isn’t under the salary cap far enough to take on $40 mil in salary and send out $20.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7127255

[minimus]

Come on
Pelicans, pistons, heat, Houston, Charlotte, Washington.... u all need jimmy...

But DET, WAS, NOP have no trade assets. I like CHA as trade partner. Something like this would make me happy:
Batum, Byombo, Hernangomez, Bridges, FRP for Dieng, Butler, Gibson

Next season:
More size at wings, more passing and spacing, more rebounding power and some serious defense potential around Byombo-Batum-Okogie-Tyus

KAT/Byombo/Hernangomez
Batum/Hernangomez/KBD
Bridges/Wiggins
Wiggins/Okogie
Tyus/???

[mplsfonz23]

Anyone have any ideas/info why Butler didn't make the trip with Tyus? Could he be having conversations/meetings(are they in LA already) with teams considering trading for him?

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That's pretty awesome of Jimmy. I wonder if Tyus ends up getting traded with him.

I would've given him the benefit of the doubt before and acknowledge this as "hey, he's a nice guy and did something for his teammate."

But after a couple of months of what he did to our team and franchise? That punk needed a good PR hit, what better way to show that through something like this? It just stinks of phoniness for me. Leak doing something good to the media. 'K, cool. Great for Tyus to be the beneficiary though

Jimmy is a b*tch. Tyus had a good reason to go, and hasn't missed much time due to soreness. Jimmy should have been resting for the Lakers and show his whole team that he's trying to mend broken fences. But going to Indy just to kick it doesn't show commitment and no team wants to deal with that. He is making a mockery of the NBA and his childish act is going to lead to a very disappointing end if this continues.

[shrink]

I think there is a tendency to like one good player, and dismiss a bad contract attached to him in the package.

For example, we all like Josh Richardson at three years, $10 mil a year.

However, no one should like Richardson plus Dion Waiters. That package costs $22 mil a year for three years. Waiters is awful, and it’s hard to look at Richardson alone as a $22 mil player, at least at this point in his career.

[Killboard]

I think there is a tendency to like one good player, and dismiss a bad contract attached to him in the package.

For example, we all like Josh Richardson at three years, $10 mil a year.

However, no one should like Richardson plus Dion Waiters. That package costs $22 mil a year for three years. Waiters is awful, and it’s hard to look at Richardson alone as a $22 mil player, at least at this point in his career.

Agreed in part. Taking Waiters means you neglect Richardson great contract value. I think Richardson still worth it 22M however and IMO still a valid way to get something out of Jimmy. The other option is tanking and let Butler walk. The latter is a bigger risk-reward, but you must start to lose easy games right now. Most likely .400 wont help to get a highly coveted prospect.

[mplsfonz23]

I think there is a tendency to like one good player, and dismiss a bad contract attached to him in the package.

For example, we all like Josh Richardson at three years, $10 mil a year.

However, no one should like Richardson plus Dion Waiters. That package costs $22 mil a year for three years. Waiters is awful, and it’s hard to look at Richardson alone as a $22 mil player, at least at this point in his career.

Agreed in part. Taking Waiters means you neglect Richardson great contract value. I think Richardson still worth it 22M however and IMO still a valid way to get something out of Jimmy. The other option is tanking and let Butler walk. The latter is a bigger risk-reward, but you must start to lose easy games right now. Most likely .400 wont help to get a highly coveted prospect.

I think the Miami trade is dead. I do think we should tank. Towns got paid, and Wiggins is going to have to figure this year out. He's not going anywhere, unless the slight chance Toronto wants him when KL leaves. Josh Okogie looks good, so I am willing to start over, and with a good FRP (top 5) a good coach would once again see this as a place that has a future. Or maybe I'm am just being unrealistic.

[shrink]

Here’s an interesting fact that you can give people who talk about all the “heavy minutes” Butler has played, and all the wear and tear that makes a 5th year such a bad contract.

As many of you know, Jimmy spent four years in college, and he rode the bench for 1.5 years under Thibs, until Luol Dieng got injured in early 2013. At that age, Jimmy had played less than 1000 NBA minutes. At the same age, Wiggins had played almost 11,000 more minutes.

Two guys that are the same age (29) right now as Jimmy, (Harden and DeRozan) have played over 23,000 minutes versus Jimmy’s 15. Most people tell you it’s because Jimmy gets injured all the time under Thibs, but that ignores the main fact. Jimmy has missed 800 more minutes than Derozan since he became a starter, but the gap is 8 THOUSAND. Jimmy plays harder in his minutes, but Derozan and Harden were both subjected to very heavy workloads at a far earlier age than Jimmy. People should be talking more about “a lot of miles on those bodies,” rather than Jimmy’s.

[karch34]

I think there is a tendency to like one good player, and dismiss a bad contract attached to him in the package.

For example, we all like Josh Richardson at three years, $10 mil a year.

However, no one should like Richardson plus Dion Waiters. That package costs $22 mil a year for three years. Waiters is awful, and it’s hard to look at Richardson alone as a $22 mil player, at least at this point in his career.

Great point. Taking the "goal" of moving Dieng out of the picture, I think we're going to have a negative value contract included regardless (Dieng ensures it IMO). That's been a big part of my liking Philly idea that even if Fultz is the bad contract it's not Waiters level bad and there's still a chance for upside.

[Killboard]

I think there is a tendency to like one good player, and dismiss a bad contract attached to him in the package.

For example, we all like Josh Richardson at three years, $10 mil a year.

However, no one should like Richardson plus Dion Waiters. That package costs $22 mil a year for three years. Waiters is awful, and it’s hard to look at Richardson alone as a $22 mil player, at least at this point in his career.

Great point. Taking the "goal" of moving Dieng out of the picture, I think we're going to have a negative value contract included regardless (Dieng ensures it IMO). That's been a big part of my liking Philly idea that even if Fultz is the bad contract it's not Waiters level bad and there's still a chance for upside.

Fultz only makes 1/3 of Jimmy money. You need a lot more coming back.

Currently Richardson is at 2.1 BPM, 24% usage and .134 WS48 while playing above 280 minutes.

Its early in the season but this is the complete list of players with those numbers so far.

Richarson is only one year older than the youngest. I think he definetly is worth 20M for the next 3 seasons.

[DaMplsKid]

I am just looking around the league at the types of player I would want back in a Bulter trade. I don't think we are going to get a star back so you have to start looking at roll/starter type players. I am hoping we can work a 3 team trade but here is my list: Let me know if you agree or disagree or who you would add.

Julius Randle
Tobias Harris
Caris LeVert
Terry Rozier
Buddy Hield
Josh Richardson

Or do think Washington would trade either Wall or Beal? Pipe dream would be to get CJ McCollum

[Neeva]

I like the 2019 draft so I want the wolves to get back an unprotected pick also. The more chances to get zion the better, he would change the franchise/sell out games.

[twix2500]

I am just looking around the league at the types of player I would want back in a Bulter trade. I don't think we are going to get a star back so you have to start looking at roll/starter type players. I am hoping we can work a 3 team trade but here is my list: Let me know if you agree or disagree or who you would add.

Julius Randle
Tobias Harris
Caris LeVert
Terry Rozier
Buddy Hield
Josh Richardson

Or do think Washington would trade either Wall or Beal? Pipe dream would be to get CJ McCollum

Wall has a trade kicker, so unless something enormous happens, he is not gonna get traded.

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[Neeva]

Phoenix is a mess (bigger than us) try to get their draft pick next year offer Big bro/little bro(jimmy and Tyus) for their unprotected pick and jackson? They have to do something to keep Booker happy.

[twix2500]

Personally I think Atlanta would be a great trade partner. Kevin Heuter is a player you guys should keep an eye on.

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[DaBeard]

Stay tuned.

Source (H)

Taylor has been on the phone all day.
Medical records have been passed along..not Heat.

Who was this team if you don't mind me asking?

[Killboard]

Phoenix is a mess (bigger than us) try to get their draft pick next year offer Big bro/little bro(jimmy and Tyus) for their unprotected pick and jackson? They have to do something to keep Booker happy.

That doesnt work money wise.

[akeefe03]

Whiteside has 18 points, 15 rebounds and 8 blocks at HALFTIME!!! WAT

[TheDominator273]

Whiteside has 18 points, 15 rebounds and 8 blocks at HALFTIME!!! WAT

Even crazier, two assists IN THE SAME GAME!!

[vagelis]

I think Butler's price decreases with the time.
So at the current situation Whiteside + Winslow would be an acceptable deal for me

[Neeva]

I think Butler's price decreases with the time.
So at the current situation Whiteside + Winslow would be an acceptable deal for me

Ehh lets just let Butler walk for nothing then.
#tankforzion