Bill Simmons: Terry Rozier unhappy with playing time, NBA circles think the Celtics need to trade him

[Andrew McCeltic]

When did Rozier’s value completely tank? I thought he was considered a future star point guard - somewhere between Reggie Jackson and young Eric Bledsoe - based on his playoff run and his upward career trajectory. Now he’s being talked about like he’s Mudiay..

Pretty contradictory there - neither of those guys are star point guards. I think they are the right tier to consider Terry in, but I don't think either of them is a star by any means.

They’re not - but when they were traded away from the teams that drafted them, their value was relatively high - and injuries have taken them both down a notch. They were max players under the old cap number - 15 million with annual increases. That seemed like Rozier’s “tier” after the playoffs.

[Jakeopp]

He wants $20mil +, he wants to start.... but most importantly he wants to get paid.

I think we all know this though.

But he hasn’t asked to be traded, he wants to be a Celtic as long as we pay up. He truly loves being here.

Well that puts an end to this thread.

Not at all... Because everyone, including Rozier, knows Danny will not 'pay up'.

While it might not be in his demeanor to demand a trade, I'm sure he understands a trade would most likely help him get paid next summer.

Reload > Bill Simmons

Reload says he's happy here. Simmons says he wants out. I'll take reload's word for it, he's proven to be reliable.

Maybe he gets traded eventually, it's certainly a situation to monitor throughout the season. I agree that Danny isn't "paying up" to keep him, but if he can't get good value in return, I expect him to hold on to Rozier.

If Rozier isn't demanding a trade, then I don't expect anything to happen for a while, if at all.

[Edug27]

Well that puts an end to this thread.

Not at all... Because everyone, including Rozier, knows Danny will not 'pay up'.

While it might not be in his demeanor to demand a trade, I'm sure he understands a trade would most likely help him get paid next summer.

Reload > Bill Simmons

Reload says he's happy here. Simmons says he wants out. I'll take reload's word for it, he's proven to be reliable.

Maybe he gets traded eventually, it's certainly a situation to monitor throughout the season. I agree that Danny isn't "paying up" to keep him, but if he can't get good value in return, I expect him to hold on to Rozier.

If Rozier isn't demanding a trade, then I don't expect anything to happen for a while, if at all.

Reload says he loves being a Celtic.

Simmons says hes unhappy with his playing time.

Both can be true.

[CelticsLV]

How surprising that Simmons followed his tweet with "Most fun Rozier trade idea" Only difference between him and most of us is that he has built a platform where he can spew his bull ****.

[ZeroTolerance]

Personally...I'd rather keep Rozier and peddle Kyrie Irving....For that matter, I'd shop around Gordon Haywood's huge contract too....I know that sounds crazy... but I liked last years playoff team much better than this years cast....Something about the chemistry this year isn't quite right? ....I dunno?..I was just never all that impressed with Kyrie from day 1 of his arrival here...I'd rather go with our home grown group....Maybe pluck a young possible allstar caliber center for Kyrie?..... Haywood is looking like a bust at this point....The chemistry isn't quite right...there's too many cooks in the kitchen as far as the backcourt....And we live and die by the 3 ball...Something needs to change....and I'm not at all sure that peddling Rozier for peanuts is the answer?... just my two cents...Addition by subtraction?

[wco81]

If Kyrie gets the max that he wants, what's the most the Celtics would give to Rozier?

Keep in mind that Morris is a UFA and Horford and Baynes both have player options and may be seeking longer deals with more guaranteed money as well this upcoming summer.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If Kyrie gets the max that he wants, what's the most the Celtics would give to Rozier?

Keep in mind that Morris is a UFA and Horford and Baynes both have player options and may be seeking longer deals with more guaranteed money as well this upcoming summer.

All depends on how the offseason plays out. If the Celtics end up dealing Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart, then obviously that frees up money to pay Rozier. I guess it also depends on how much less $/year Horford takes if he opts out so he can sign a longer deal for more guaranteed money. Tough to put a dollar figure on him in this current situation. If all things stay the same and no trades are made, then chances are good that Rozier leaves because the Celtics can't match the offer. I can't see ownership wanting to pay the luxury tax for the money Rozier wants.

[The Corey's]

Hes an ok player but the dude straight disappeared when it mattered the most.

If we can get a unprotected pick from one of the usual suspects then see ya.

[aim2please]

I'm shocked that so many people in the media and apparently around the league see Rozier as a point guard. He's not a playmaker. He's an undersized shooting guard.

He's a solid shooter but because of his inability to understand which shots are good for him, he's never been an efficient player. And probably never will be. Him shooting a better percentage from 3 than 2 tells you everything about his basketball IQ.

With everyone being healthy, he's not a good fit for this team at the moment. Around the draft I was advocating for a Rozier trade, you gotta sell high while you can.

Right now, his value is a mid/late 1st and a salary filler, which is not enough to pull the trigger. So unless a team overpays a bit, he's gonna be an insurance policy if Kyrie gets hurt.

Celtics already have a few picks they have to make next year. Unless they can package those for A. Davis, getting another mediocre pick will put Danny in another Hunter/Young/Mickey/Zizic/Yabu type situation. He basically has to make a pick when he would rather have a roster spot. Can't carry 4 or 5 youngsters when you're trying to win a tittle.

[wco81]

If Kyrie gets the max that he wants, what's the most the Celtics would give to Rozier?

Keep in mind that Morris is a UFA and Horford and Baynes both have player options and may be seeking longer deals with more guaranteed money as well this upcoming summer.

All depends on how the offseason plays out. If the Celtics end up dealing Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart, then obviously that frees up money to pay Rozier. I guess it also depends on how much less $/year Horford takes if he opts out so he can sign a longer deal for more guaranteed money. Tough to put a dollar figure on him in this current situation. If all things stay the same and no trades are made, then chances are good that Rozier leaves because the Celtics can't match the offer. I can't see ownership wanting to pay the luxury tax for the money Rozier wants.

You could argue that it would be better for the Celtics to trade away Hayward and his big salary but given his circumstances, I don't think Ainge would trade him, at least not this year.

And even if they were willing to trade him, that contract will make it difficult.

[JHTruth]

I'm shocked that so many people in the media and apparently around the league see Rozier as a point guard. He's not a playmaker. He's an undersized shooting guard.

He's a solid shooter but because of his inability to understand which shots are good for him, he's never been an efficient player. And probably never will be. Him shooting a better percentage from 3 than 2 tells you everything about his basketball IQ.

With everyone being healthy, he's not a good fit for this team at the moment. Around the draft I was advocating for a Rozier trade, you gotta sell high while you can.

Right now, his value is a mid/late 1st and a salary filler, which is not enough to pull the trigger. So unless a team overpays a bit, he's gonna be an insurance policy if Kyrie gets hurt.

Celtics already have a few picks they have to make next year. Unless they can package those for A. Davis, getting another mediocre pick will put Danny in another Hunter/Young/Mickey/Zizic/Yabu type situation. He basically has to make a pick when he would rather have a roster spot. Can't carry 4 or 5 youngsters when you're trying to win a tittle.

IDK man Yabu, Semi, Wanamaker, and RW3 don't really play. If Danny decides he likes some guys in this draft better than them he can trade them out for some fresher newbies etc. Plus we're in all likelihood going to lose Morris and Theis at least in FA, and Rozier if he gets a big offer. Austin Ainge mentioned that's why they like having all these picks to replace those guys.

[JHTruth]

If Kyrie gets the max that he wants, what's the most the Celtics would give to Rozier?

Keep in mind that Morris is a UFA and Horford and Baynes both have player options and may be seeking longer deals with more guaranteed money as well this upcoming summer.

All depends on how the offseason plays out. If the Celtics end up dealing Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart, then obviously that frees up money to pay Rozier. I guess it also depends on how much less $/year Horford takes if he opts out so he can sign a longer deal for more guaranteed money. Tough to put a dollar figure on him in this current situation. If all things stay the same and no trades are made, then chances are good that Rozier leaves because the Celtics can't match the offer. I can't see ownership wanting to pay the luxury tax for the money Rozier wants.

You could argue that it would be better for the Celtics to trade away Hayward and his big salary but given his circumstances, I don't think Ainge would trade him, at least not this year.

And even if they were willing to trade him, that contract will make it difficult.

I'm sure the idea of trading Hayward has crossed Danny's mind, but we don't know if he's more Paul George or Grant Hill at this stage. His contract can quickly become a nightmare if he doesn't return to form. It's a tough situation..

[GoCeltics123]

Utah's lotto protected 1st + trade exception

How do Boston fans feel about it?

Hell no, unless he asks for a trade

[jeremym480]

I'm really not interested in trading Rozier unless it's for someone that makes this team better this season. I'm not sure if there's many trades out there that does that, given his contract situation and all. I'd rather just keep him this season and use him as insurance just in case Kyrie does do the dip (I don't think he will but you just never know).

[Silky]

If Kyrie gets the max that he wants, what's the most the Celtics would give to Rozier?

Keep in mind that Morris is a UFA and Horford and Baynes both have player options and may be seeking longer deals with more guaranteed money as well this upcoming summer.

All depends on how the offseason plays out. If the Celtics end up dealing Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart, then obviously that frees up money to pay Rozier. I guess it also depends on how much less $/year Horford takes if he opts out so he can sign a longer deal for more guaranteed money. Tough to put a dollar figure on him in this current situation. If all things stay the same and no trades are made, then chances are good that Rozier leaves because the Celtics can't match the offer. I can't see ownership wanting to pay the luxury tax for the money Rozier wants.

You could argue that it would be better for the Celtics to trade away Hayward and his big salary but given his circumstances, I don't think Ainge would trade him, at least not this year.

And even if they were willing to trade him, that contract will make it difficult.

Hayward for beal would be kickass


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[djFan71]

When did Rozier’s value completely tank? I thought he was considered a future star point guard - somewhere between Reggie Jackson and young Eric Bledsoe - based on his playoff run and his upward career trajectory. Now he’s being talked about like he’s Mudiay..

Pretty contradictory there - neither of those guys are star point guards. I think they are the right tier to consider Terry in, but I don't think either of them is a star by any means.

They’re not - but when they were traded away from the teams that drafted them, their value was relatively high - and injuries have taken them both down a notch. They were max players under the old cap number - 15 million with annual increases. That seemed like Rozier’s “tier” after the playoffs.

OK, gotcha. I'd quibble that I think both were fringe star potential at best at their peak, but we're basically on the same page.

Phoenix got a non-lotto 1st, a 2nd and salary (Monroe who got bought out) for Bledsoe and he even had the additional year.
Detroit sent spare parts for Jackson: DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler a 2019 2nd rounder a 2017 second rounder.

Terry probably gets closer to the Bledsoe package, which is what a lot of people here are proposing: vet salary and non-lotto first territory.

[GoCeltics123]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

OKC got Enes Kanter in the Reggie deal..and the Clippers got Dudley and Reddick - sending out Caron Butler, too.

[Andrew McCeltic]

They were complicated multi-team deals but Jackson for Kanter (who became Melo and then Schroeder) and Bledsoe for Reddick was the gist of each.

[djFan71]

They were complicated multi-team deals but Jackson for Kanter (who became Melo and then Schroeder) and Bledsoe for Reddick was the gist of each.

Sure, but the teams acquiring them spent what I listed.

Jackson was acquired by Detroit for a pupu platter.
Kanter was acquired for the 2nd from Detroit, but mainly the 2017 first rounder from OKC and salary (Perk, Grant Jerrett).

Phoenix & Milwaukee trade was a 2 team last year.

But, you're right, the one were Phoenix got him from the Clips he definitely fetched more than last year's - Reddick & Dudley essentially (with Butler going too as you said). Would be great if we got something comparable for Terry!