Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[shadrock]

Ok, so im now all-in on us trading for Dedmon. We should never have let him go when we had him the first time. He can start in place of Vuc until such a time that Bamba is ready to start. That way, out team gets used to playing the same kind of style with Dedmon and Bamba being of similar profile. Waive Vuc, put him down, send him to the glue factory, i do not care, i just dont want to see him here anymore. Stay at home and drink beer for all i care, but do not take minutes and shots from this team anymore. This joke has to end now.

We need out center to run, defend, dunk, block shots, rebound. We do NOT need out center to be slow, ball dominant, bad on defense, and have a negative impact on the overall pace and space of the team.

Why would Atlanta trade him?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251594/Hawks-Expected-To-Receive-Trade-Interest-On-Dewayne-Dedmon

[NotACat]

Ok, so im now all-in on us trading for Dedmon. We should never have let him go when we had him the first time. He can start in place of Vuc until such a time that Bamba is ready to start. That way, out team gets used to playing the same kind of style with Dedmon and Bamba being of similar profile. Waive Vuc, put him down, send him to the glue factory, i do not care, i just dont want to see him here anymore. Stay at home and drink beer for all i care, but do not take minutes and shots from this team anymore. This joke has to end now.

We need out center to run, defend, dunk, block shots, rebound. We do NOT need out center to be slow, ball dominant, bad on defense, and have a negative impact on the overall pace and space of the team.

Why would Atlanta trade him?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251594/Hawks-Expected-To-Receive-Trade-Interest-On-Dewayne-Dedmon

If I was Atlanta, I would be asking for a young player or a draft pick in return. Maybe both if it's a deep playoff team that wants him

[OrlChamps2030]

Ok, so im now all-in on us trading for Dedmon. We should never have let him go when we had him the first time. He can start in place of Vuc until such a time that Bamba is ready to start. That way, out team gets used to playing the same kind of style with Dedmon and Bamba being of similar profile. Waive Vuc, put him down, send him to the glue factory, i do not care, i just dont want to see him here anymore. Stay at home and drink beer for all i care, but do not take minutes and shots from this team anymore. This joke has to end now.

We need out center to run, defend, dunk, block shots, rebound. We do NOT need out center to be slow, ball dominant, bad on defense, and have a negative impact on the overall pace and space of the team.

Why would Atlanta trade him?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251594/Hawks-Expected-To-Receive-Trade-Interest-On-Dewayne-Dedmon

Due to Dedmon’s play, contract situation, and the context of the article itself the hawks would actually want some form of value for him

If this franchise gave up any value for a non-star center then Adam silver needs to move/contract this team ASAP.

[fendilim]

Lol at the idea of cutting Vuc.

Everyone’s complaining how lost our bench is on offense. What more subtracting the team’s most reliable offensive player.

[shadrock]

Lol at the idea of cutting Vuc.

Everyone’s complaining how lost our bench is on offense. What more subtracting the team’s most reliable offensive player.

I honestly cannot cope anymore. How can people watch this **** for 6 fking years and non deduce that Vuc is the core of the problem?

Who honestly gives a single **** if he scores points? Those points could EASILY be replaced if his shots went to someone else.

Its just infuriatingly stupid for us to state every single fking year that we want to be a young, fast, defensive minded team, and then roll with a lineup which is old, slow, and poor on defense. What kind of distorted way of viewing things is that? Insanity. Absolute insanity.

Vuc forces us to play a slow and plodding game on offense in which he is the focal point, which results in him scoring and everyone else suffering. We have players who need to run, and need space in the paint to drive into, yet we have stuck this Mod Edit: Removed. right in the middle of the paint for six straight years and watched him clog up the offense, and then we continue to wonder why our young guys struggle? How is it that we can change like 5 coaches, change the entire lineup around Vuc, yet consistently get the same results? Ill tell you how, its BECAUSE OF NIKOLA **** VUCEVIC. Not only that, but we have convinced ourselves that he is the best player on the team, simply because he takes the shots.

Im **** done with this. Im not being polite now. If you watch this for 6 fking years and cannot see that the Vuc brand of basketball is a losing brand of basketball which is detrimental to the overall style we want to play, Mod Edit: Removed. Unnecessary attack.

Ban me idgaf.

[VFX]

[pepe1991]

Lol at the idea of cutting Vuc.

Everyone’s complaining how lost our bench is on offense. What more subtracting the team’s most reliable offensive player.

I honestly cannot cope anymore. How can people watch this **** for 6 fking years and non deduce that Vuc is the core of the problem?

Who honestly gives a single **** if he scores points? Those points could EASILY be replaced if his shots went to someone else.

Its just infuriatingly stupid for us to state every single fking year that we want to be a young, fast, defensive minded team, and then roll with a lineup which is old, slow, and poor on defense. What kind of distorted way of viewing things is that? Insanity. Absolute insanity.

Vuc forces us to play a slow and plodding game on offense in which he is the focal point, which results in him scoring and everyone else suffering. We have players who need to run, and need space in the paint to drive into, yet we have stuck this Mod Edit: Removed. right in the middle of the paint for six straight years and watched him clog up the offense, and then we continue to wonder why our young guys struggle? How is it that we can change like 5 coaches, change the entire lineup around Vuc, yet consistently get the same results? Ill tell you how, its BECAUSE OF NIKOLA **** VUCEVIC. Not only that, but we have convinced ourselves that he is the best player on the team, simply because he takes the shots.

Im **** done with this. Im not being polite now. If you watch this for 6 fking years and cannot see that the Vuc brand of basketball is a losing brand of basketball which is detrimental to the overall style we want to play, Mod Edit: Removed. Unnecessary attack.

Ban me idgaf.

Whenever Vuc is on bench that roster is incapable of even attemp shots.
Few days ago i counted how they were doing without him.
2-10 from the floor, 2 turnovers.
You watch Gordon 5 years why aren't you so done with him? Because he is young? He is 23, at age of 23 LEbron already had one nba finals behind him, Leonard already won 1 finals MVP, Durant averaged 30 per game for 2 years , Davis was 2 times allstar and 2 times member of all nba defensive first team. It's clear that he ain't what team needs.

But it's just matter of perception . One is "bad" because you don't like him and you put all blame on him, other is "great developing talent" that is pretty much same player last 3 years and plays on same , incapable, untalented roster for 5 years as starter. What's the difference? Additional 2 years ? It's not like Magic will become contender within 2 years so will you lose your mind in 2020 about him too?

I agree that it's odd that player on rebuilding team spents 7 years , but it's also clear that most coaches like him and use him. Some because they genuinely like him ( Clifford, JV) others because others are flat out dumb to make right decisions so he becomes option by default ( Skiles tried to run offense through Oladipo and had him benched after Dipo was throwing bricks, was getting himself cought in mid air without clue what to do and after he benched him team started to win games but Dipo went in media and bi***ed about him sitting, despite still playing like starter, just from bench ).

Moaning about Vučević this year makes less sense than ever before because guy is so damn better than anybody else that it's even pointless to talk about it. He literally leads team in every single offensive and defensive category that matters.

You now all want Bamba to start because you wear pink glasses when he plays and you have selective vision of what he looks like on the floor. Guy in last 26 attemps of shots, despite being 7 footer wingspan like he is freaking pterodactyl refuses to get anywhere near paint most of the time, attemped 7 threes in last 4 games ( ofc made non, shoots 25% for season, 27% in college yet keeps chucks them ). Whole season, 11 games played, went to FT line THREE FREAKING TIMES. In 7 of 11 games -zero.
"but other college players play more without problem" - other college kids don't get knocked on the floor after guard pushes them like it's case with him when he fell down after i think Forbes pushed him ( you know, 6'2- 180 pounds, pure Hulk ).

[DiplomaticMagic]

I was on the Rozier bandwagon for awhile but I'm off it. I am not giving up any value for him in a trade, and I am definitely not giving him 16-20 mill a year with his recent play.

I hope Weltman feels the same because there is not many options at PG that make sense. Maybe we look at the Nets PG's

[NickAnderson]

Lol at the idea of cutting Vuc.

Everyone’s complaining how lost our bench is on offense. What more subtracting the team’s most reliable offensive player.

I honestly cannot cope anymore. How can people watch this **** for 6 fking years and non deduce that Vuc is the core of the problem?

Who honestly gives a single **** if he scores points? Those points could EASILY be replaced if his shots went to someone else.

Its just infuriatingly stupid for us to state every single fking year that we want to be a young, fast, defensive minded team, and then roll with a lineup which is old, slow, and poor on defense. What kind of distorted way of viewing things is that? Insanity. Absolute insanity.

Vuc forces us to play a slow and plodding game on offense in which he is the focal point, which results in him scoring and everyone else suffering. We have players who need to run, and need space in the paint to drive into, yet we have stuck this Mod Edit: Removed. right in the middle of the paint for six straight years and watched him clog up the offense, and then we continue to wonder why our young guys struggle? How is it that we can change like 5 coaches, change the entire lineup around Vuc, yet consistently get the same results? Ill tell you how, its BECAUSE OF NIKOLA **** VUCEVIC. Not only that, but we have convinced ourselves that he is the best player on the team, simply because he takes the shots.

Im **** done with this. Im not being polite now. If you watch this for 6 fking years and cannot see that the Vuc brand of basketball is a losing brand of basketball which is detrimental to the overall style we want to play, Mod Edit: Removed. Unnecessary attack.

Ban me idgaf.

By who??

[NickAnderson]

Gordon dunk from last night.

https://streamable.com/d1fgw

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I have never seen this level of hopelessness and depression from this fan base and board before. Sad times. Sad times

[pepe1991]

Cliff didn't hold anything back

“You cant play like that,” Clifford said. “Not back on defense. Disorganized on offense...48 minutes, you can’t play five guys. You have to step in. They’re good enough players. It’s not like they’re not capable. But they have to play, and they have to play well.”


“The expectations are so much different than when I was here before,” Clifford said. “You know, those guys didn’t play well back then, they heard about it. And that’s how it’s supposed to be. And these guys need to hear about it too because they’re good enough to play better too. And I need to hear about it, too. That’s all fine. That’s part of this. But to say, let’s find out what’s good, let’s not. Let’s just tell the story, OK. The bench was embarrassing. It was embarrassing. That’s it.”

[magicman112]

Cliff didn't hold anything back

“You cant play like that,” Clifford said. “Not back on defense. Disorganized on offense...48 minutes, you can’t play five guys. You have to step in. They’re good enough players. It’s not like they’re not capable. But they have to play, and they have to play well.”


“The expectations are so much different than when I was here before,” Clifford said. “You know, those guys didn’t play well back then, they heard about it. And that’s how it’s supposed to be. And these guys need to hear about it too because they’re good enough to play better too. And I need to hear about it, too. That’s all fine. That’s part of this. But to say, let’s find out what’s good, let’s not. Let’s just tell the story, OK. The bench was embarrassing. It was embarrassing. That’s it.”

And he shouldn't. These guys need to hear that.

[yoyojw17]

Cliff didn't hold anything back

“You cant play like that,” Clifford said. “Not back on defense. Disorganized on offense...48 minutes, you can’t play five guys. You have to step in. They’re good enough players. It’s not like they’re not capable. But they have to play, and they have to play well.”


“The expectations are so much different than when I was here before,” Clifford said. “You know, those guys didn’t play well back then, they heard about it. And that’s how it’s supposed to be. And these guys need to hear about it too because they’re good enough to play better too. And I need to hear about it, too. That’s all fine. That’s part of this. But to say, let’s find out what’s good, let’s not. Let’s just tell the story, OK. The bench was embarrassing. It was embarrassing. That’s it.”

And he shouldn't. These guys need to hear that.

Yup... I love it. No coddling!

i say give briscoe and frazier a little burn just to spice/shuffle things up.

The one person that kills the flow of the game for me everytime.... is simmons. He has to be on a team where he has a clear gamma dog role to be effective.

[MMFla]

I blamed the bench for that loss and Cliff for leaving them in for that long, but I loved what I heard from Cliff especially shooting down Denton when he always asks "how does it feel that" dumb type of question.

I would like to see what it would be like if we swapped Mo and Vuc in the lineup it would give the bench a go to guy who can initiate the offense so TRoss isn't the only one doing something.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I blamed the bench for that loss and Cliff for leaving them in for that long, but I loved what I heard from Cliff especially shooting down Denton when he always asks "how does it feel that" dumb type of question.

I would like to see what it would be like if we swapped Mo and Vuc in the lineup it would give the bench a go to guy who can initiate the offense so TRoss isn't the only one doing something.

Vucevic would whine and complain if he were to ever come off the bench. Plus with all those All-Star berths and playoff runs, Vucevic deserves to whine about not starting.

[IllMagic04]

Lol at the idea of cutting Vuc.

Everyone’s complaining how lost our bench is on offense. What more subtracting the team’s most reliable offensive player.

I honestly cannot cope anymore. How can people watch this **** for 6 fking years and non deduce that Vuc is the core of the problem?

Who honestly gives a single **** if he scores points? Those points could EASILY be replaced if his shots went to someone else.

Its just infuriatingly stupid for us to state every single fking year that we want to be a young, fast, defensive minded team, and then roll with a lineup which is old, slow, and poor on defense. What kind of distorted way of viewing things is that? Insanity. Absolute insanity.

Vuc forces us to play a slow and plodding game on offense in which he is the focal point, which results in him scoring and everyone else suffering. We have players who need to run, and need space in the paint to drive into, yet we have stuck this Mod Edit: Removed. right in the middle of the paint for six straight years and watched him clog up the offense, and then we continue to wonder why our young guys struggle? How is it that we can change like 5 coaches, change the entire lineup around Vuc, yet consistently get the same results? Ill tell you how, its BECAUSE OF NIKOLA **** VUCEVIC. Not only that, but we have convinced ourselves that he is the best player on the team, simply because he takes the shots.

Im **** done with this. Im not being polite now. If you watch this for 6 fking years and cannot see that the Vuc brand of basketball is a losing brand of basketball which is detrimental to the overall style we want to play, Mod Edit: Removed. Unnecessary attack.

Ban me idgaf.

Whenever Vuc is on bench that roster is incapable of even attemp shots.
Few days ago i counted how they were doing without him.
2-10 from the floor, 2 turnovers.
You watch Gordon 5 years why aren't you so done with him? Because he is young? He is 23, at age of 23 LEbron already had one nba finals behind him, Leonard already won 1 finals MVP, Durant averaged 30 per game for 2 years , Davis was 2 times allstar and 2 times member of all nba defensive first team. It's clear that he ain't what team needs.

But it's just matter of perception . One is "bad" because you don't like him and you put all blame on him, other is "great developing talent" that is pretty much same player last 3 years and plays on same , incapable, untalented roster for 5 years as starter. What's the difference? Additional 2 years ? It's not like Magic will become contender within 2 years so will you lose your mind in 2020 about him too?

I agree that it's odd that player on rebuilding team spents 7 years , but it's also clear that most coaches like him and use him. Some because they genuinely like him ( Clifford, JV) others because others are flat out dumb to make right decisions so he becomes option by default ( Skiles tried to run offense through Oladipo and had him benched after Dipo was throwing bricks, was getting himself cought in mid air without clue what to do and after he benched him team started to win games but Dipo went in media and bi***ed about him sitting, despite still playing like starter, just from bench ).

Moaning about Vučević this year makes less sense than ever before because guy is so damn better than anybody else that it's even pointless to talk about it. He literally leads team in every single offensive and defensive category that matters.

You now all want Bamba to start because you wear pink glasses when he plays and you have selective vision of what he looks like on the floor. Guy in last 26 attemps of shots, despite being 7 footer wingspan like he is freaking pterodactyl refuses to get anywhere near paint most of the time, attemped 7 threes in last 4 games ( ofc made non, shoots 25% for season, 27% in college yet keeps chucks them ). Whole season, 11 games played, went to FT line THREE FREAKING TIMES. In 7 of 11 games -zero.
"but other college players play more without problem" - other college kids don't get knocked on the floor after guard pushes them like it's case with him when he fell down after i think Forbes pushed him ( you know, 6'2- 180 pounds, pure Hulk ).

Everything you said is true. Take Vuc off this team and the offense would be another level of bad.. But my question is who cares? If we lose we lose. Bamba has not been impressive but I still want to see him in crunch time. We drafted him high so hes the future. I want him to work through his mistakes. We are going to lose alot of games and im happy with that.

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[j-ragg]

Every year posters say we won’t even break 60 points if Vuc is out and every year we look the same on offense when he doesn’t play.

[OrlandoNed]

Every year posters say we won’t even break 60 points if Vuc is out and every year we look the same on offense when he doesn’t play.

Best example of this to me is a few years back when we played at the Warriors and Vuc was out with an injury and O'Quinn started in his place. We still went toe-to-toe with them the entire game until Curry hit the game-winner over Harris.

[SOUL]

Same with Biyombo starting for those few games. Actually put up numbers and contributed instead of looking useless on the bench. Minutes and opportunity, surprise, will make players look better than they are. Bamba may not be 'ready' to start but he is going to look a hell of a lot better next to more competent players.