Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[yoyojw17]

People still banking on that Gordon new Oladipo crap?
You are running out of time, 5th year was year when OLadipo become allstar.

To be fair, Gordon is 23.... Oladipo was 25 when he finally became a good shooter. The NBA experience matters, but I think age does, too. Tobias was also 25 and in his 7th year when he finally became a good shooter. I think Gordon will eventually become a good shooter, but it's not a given to happen this year or next year or the year after. He came in as a project and was always going to be a late bloomer at best. If or when it does happen it could do wonders for his game. He's on the clock though... most teams are not going to sit around and wait two full contracts. How long will weltman give him? I'm thinking summer 2020 is his deadline.

My entire problem with Gordon's development was that.... they tried to change him into something else before letting him get comfortable and perfecting the skills he had coming into the league. Rebounding, transition, cutting, defense , etc should have been the skills he should have honed in order to get on the court.... then expanded from there on out. As i've said.... just off of his size, athleticism and strength.... he could have gotten 15-18 points per game with the aforementioned talents + EFFORT!

[OrlandO]

People still banking on that Gordon new Oladipo crap?
You are running out of time, 5th year was year when OLadipo become allstar.

To be fair, Gordon is 23.... Oladipo was 25 when he finally became a good shooter. The NBA experience matters, but I think age does, too. Tobias was also 25 and in his 7th year when he finally became a good shooter. I think Gordon will eventually become a good shooter, but it's not a given to happen this year or next year or the year after. He came in as a project and was always going to be a late bloomer at best. If or when it does happen it could do wonders for his game. He's on the clock though... most teams are not going to sit around and wait two full contracts. How long will weltman give him? I'm thinking summer 2020 is his deadline.

My entire problem with Gordon's development was that.... they tried to change him into something else before letting him get comfortable and perfecting the skills he had coming into the league. Rebounding, transition, cutting, defense , etc should have been the skills he should have honed in order to get on the court.... then expanded from there on out. As i've said.... just off of his size, athleticism and strength.... he could have gotten 15-18 points per game with the aforementioned talents + EFFORT!

I agree. The whole fiasco with Hennigan/vogel insisting he'd be used like paul george was so dumb... of course he couldn't do it, but the thought was planted and he obviously held onto it. I thought he was back on track in the 2nd half of the 16-17 season when he was averaging 16 ppg on 12 shots on a lot of hustle points... was dunking all over the place. Then he returned the next season thinking he was hot **** and made it very clear he wanted skip steps and immediately play like paul george. Weltman, Hammond and even Vogel all tried to steer him to play smarter earlier in the season, but then caved when injuries piled on and let him fall on his face. Perhaps that was a good thing because it knocked him down a peg as he learned he wasn't as good as he thought. This season is a little better with Clifford... seems to have him more willing to move the ball and crash the boards... averaging 2.7 putback points this season as opposed to career low 1.1 last season. Unfortunately, the team's playmaking situation is at an all time low this season, so he's probably not going to be set up as much as he could have last season.

[Def Swami]

From Zach Lowe's 10 things I like and don't like.

2. Orlando's predictably terrible point guard situation
Guys, you are never going to believe this: The Magic can't score, get to the line, or shoot from anywhere outside the restricted area. You might need a moment to digest this. Take your time.

Their point guard situation is a sinkhole. No one could have seen this coming. Orlando cannot expect any more from D.J. Augustin. He's shooting 41 percent from deep and taking care of the ball; on some nights, the Augustin-Nikola Vucevic pick-and-roll is Orlando's only reliable source of offense.

But Augustin can't consistently prod beyond the foul line. He's a nice backup point guard. The Magic are asking him to be a heavy-minutes starter.

Jerian Grant has been an absolute disaster as their backup. Defenders ignore him off the ball; when another Magic wing catches off a screen with Grant in the game, this is what he sees:

Grant can barely get the Magic into their sets before the shot clock ticks into single digits. He holds the ball for about 5.5 seconds per touch, seventh-highest in the league -- ahead of Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook, DeRozan, and hundreds of other guys more qualified than Grant to dribble in place.

What is this thing?

Orlando has scored 88.8 points per 100 possessions with Grant on the floor -- almost 12 points worse than the league's worst offense. It is really hard to construct lineups that perform so poorly over extended minutes. Orlando's bench is hemorrhaging points.

That's not all on Grant, obviously. He has played 177 minutes alongside Mo Bamba, and only 44 with Vucevic. Bamba just isn't ready. Jonathon Simmons is shooting 29 percent. But he's also overextended, because Grant can't carry the off-the-bounce burden of a league-average NBA point guard.

Someday, Orlando will have a competent offense again.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25219366/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-jayson-tatum-nba

[Def Swami]

Gordon is actually a productive player. A decent one who's still young and on a fine contract that declines in dollars over time. He's shooting a career high 55% TS. All-star or not, I'm not ready to just give up on him. Again, any deal that balances out the roster for a young, player with all-star potential, and I'm on board. But, I'm really not interested in dealing Gordon at the moment. I still want to see him play with a competent point guard and in a more defined role with better players. He's going to go a better organization like Utah or Boston and his strengths will be maximized.

[Nemesis21]

From Zach Lowe's 10 things I like and don't like.

2. Orlando's predictably terrible point guard situation
Guys, you are never going to believe this: The Magic can't score, get to the line, or shoot from anywhere outside the restricted area. You might need a moment to digest this. Take your time.

Their point guard situation is a sinkhole. No one could have seen this coming. Orlando cannot expect any more from D.J. Augustin. He's shooting 41 percent from deep and taking care of the ball; on some nights, the Augustin-Nikola Vucevic pick-and-roll is Orlando's only reliable source of offense.

But Augustin can't consistently prod beyond the foul line. He's a nice backup point guard. The Magic are asking him to be a heavy-minutes starter.

Jerian Grant has been an absolute disaster as their backup. Defenders ignore him off the ball; when another Magic wing catches off a screen with Grant in the game, this is what he sees:

Grant can barely get the Magic into their sets before the shot clock ticks into single digits. He holds the ball for about 5.5 seconds per touch, seventh-highest in the league -- ahead of Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook, DeRozan, and hundreds of other guys more qualified than Grant to dribble in place.

What is this thing?

Orlando has scored 88.8 points per 100 possessions with Grant on the floor -- almost 12 points worse than the league's worst offense. It is really hard to construct lineups that perform so poorly over extended minutes. Orlando's bench is hemorrhaging points.

That's not all on Grant, obviously. He has played 177 minutes alongside Mo Bamba, and only 44 with Vucevic. Bamba just isn't ready. Jonathon Simmons is shooting 29 percent. But he's also overextended, because Grant can't carry the off-the-bounce burden of a league-average NBA point guard.

Someday, Orlando will have a competent offense again.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25219366/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-jayson-tatum-nba

Is he begin sarcastic or? Because everyone saw that coming.

[Def Swami]

From Zach Lowe's 10 things I like and don't like.

2. Orlando's predictably terrible point guard situation
Guys, you are never going to believe this: The Magic can't score, get to the line, or shoot from anywhere outside the restricted area. You might need a moment to digest this. Take your time.

Their point guard situation is a sinkhole. No one could have seen this coming. Orlando cannot expect any more from D.J. Augustin. He's shooting 41 percent from deep and taking care of the ball; on some nights, the Augustin-Nikola Vucevic pick-and-roll is Orlando's only reliable source of offense.

But Augustin can't consistently prod beyond the foul line. He's a nice backup point guard. The Magic are asking him to be a heavy-minutes starter.

Jerian Grant has been an absolute disaster as their backup. Defenders ignore him off the ball; when another Magic wing catches off a screen with Grant in the game, this is what he sees:

Grant can barely get the Magic into their sets before the shot clock ticks into single digits. He holds the ball for about 5.5 seconds per touch, seventh-highest in the league -- ahead of Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook, DeRozan, and hundreds of other guys more qualified than Grant to dribble in place.

What is this thing?

Orlando has scored 88.8 points per 100 possessions with Grant on the floor -- almost 12 points worse than the league's worst offense. It is really hard to construct lineups that perform so poorly over extended minutes. Orlando's bench is hemorrhaging points.

That's not all on Grant, obviously. He has played 177 minutes alongside Mo Bamba, and only 44 with Vucevic. Bamba just isn't ready. Jonathon Simmons is shooting 29 percent. But he's also overextended, because Grant can't carry the off-the-bounce burden of a league-average NBA point guard.

Someday, Orlando will have a competent offense again.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25219366/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-jayson-tatum-nba

Is he begin sarcastic or? Because everyone saw that coming.

It is definitely sarcasm. The Magic's point guard rotation has been a trainwreck since Jameer Nelson left.

[Blue_and_Whte]

From Zach Lowe's 10 things I like and don't like.

2. Orlando's predictably terrible point guard situation
Guys, you are never going to believe this: The Magic can't score, get to the line, or shoot from anywhere outside the restricted area. You might need a moment to digest this. Take your time.

Their point guard situation is a sinkhole. No one could have seen this coming. Orlando cannot expect any more from D.J. Augustin. He's shooting 41 percent from deep and taking care of the ball; on some nights, the Augustin-Nikola Vucevic pick-and-roll is Orlando's only reliable source of offense.

But Augustin can't consistently prod beyond the foul line. He's a nice backup point guard. The Magic are asking him to be a heavy-minutes starter.

Jerian Grant has been an absolute disaster as their backup. Defenders ignore him off the ball; when another Magic wing catches off a screen with Grant in the game, this is what he sees:

Grant can barely get the Magic into their sets before the shot clock ticks into single digits. He holds the ball for about 5.5 seconds per touch, seventh-highest in the league -- ahead of Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook, DeRozan, and hundreds of other guys more qualified than Grant to dribble in place.

What is this thing?

Orlando has scored 88.8 points per 100 possessions with Grant on the floor -- almost 12 points worse than the league's worst offense. It is really hard to construct lineups that perform so poorly over extended minutes. Orlando's bench is hemorrhaging points.

That's not all on Grant, obviously. He has played 177 minutes alongside Mo Bamba, and only 44 with Vucevic. Bamba just isn't ready. Jonathon Simmons is shooting 29 percent. But he's also overextended, because Grant can't carry the off-the-bounce burden of a league-average NBA point guard.

Someday, Orlando will have a competent offense again.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25219366/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-jayson-tatum-nba

I seriously wonder how much worse it would be if we just played Briscoe over Grant. I'd rather do that than watch Grants ineptitude.

[rcklsscognition]

The photo and the video from the Lowe post are excellent.



It's like having EP back!*

*Disclaimer: This comment applies only to the specific scenario shown in the above photo. Any other interpretations of this comparison are not allowed.

[Knightro]

I would absolutely be willing to give Briscoe a 10 game audition in Grant's rotation spot. At this point it's clear what Grant is capable and not capable of doing.

The sad part is he's actually a semi decent defender, but he's been worse offensively than Shelvin Mack and CJ Watson which seems impossible to do.

[OrlandO]

The photo and the video from the Lowe post are excellent.



It's like having EP back!*

*Disclaimer: This comment applies only to the specific scenario shown in the above photo. Any other interpretations of this comparison are not allowed.

Might be a better play just to let him chuck open threes than to let him try to facilitate...

[PrimeThyme]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

[fendilim]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

Wasn't? When we traded Ibaka, he was back to playing PF, and he was really good.

Unfortunately, he prefers to play face up and shoot threes. You can see it on the stuffs that he works on during offseason, and there were even reports that he wants to be a facilitator on offense which was to the disliking of management.

What Aaron Gordon is as a player and what he wants to be are two different players. Thats where the disconnect begins. Until he realizes that his strengths are really 1-3 dribble, or cutting to the basket, he is NOT worth every penny we invested on him last offseason.

[VFX]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

I was with you until the last sentence. You can only regret trading someone if you get robbed in value. Unfortunately for AG, the FO has made him expendable if Isaac can actually stay on the floor. Also, he hasn’t been “undervalued” if he’s been the face of the franchise for years while being extremely inconsistent.

[PrimeThyme]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

Wasn't? When we traded Ibaka, he was back to playing PF, and he was really good.

Unfortunately, he prefers to play face up and shoot threes. You can see it on the stuffs that he works on during offseason, and there were even reports that he wants to be a facilitator on offense which was to the disliking of management.

What Aaron Gordon is as a player and what he wants to be are two different players. Thats where the disconnect begins. Until he realizes that his strengths are really 1-3 dribble, or cutting to the basket, he is NOT worth every penny we invested on him last offseason.

Yeah after we traded for Ibaka, refused to play him at pf, and then finally traded Ibaka and let him finish the season at PF he was. Dosent take away front the fact that he has played with backup Point guards, no playmakers, and a complete lack of spacing pretty much his entire career here.

You can complain all you want about his play style these last two years, but for me that has just as much to do with us never having a true playmaker, scorer, or any other real elite offensive talent around him that would allow him to play his role and find him in his spots. He is not a 1, he ideally is someone that will be best playing off of an elite offensive talent. We haven’t put anything close to that next to him since we drafted him. Unless you want to count the one year he started with Dipo where we decided to trade him for an expiring contract the next summer.

[Skin]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

Wasn't? When we traded Ibaka, he was back to playing PF, and he was really good.

Unfortunately, he prefers to play face up and shoot threes. You can see it on the stuffs that he works on during offseason, and there were even reports that he wants to be a facilitator on offense which was to the disliking of management.

What Aaron Gordon is as a player and what he wants to be are two different players. Thats where the disconnect begins. Until he realizes that his strengths are really 1-3 dribble, or cutting to the basket, he is NOT worth every penny we invested on him last offseason.

Sounds like the coaching staff is too scared to allow for development because they are more worried about mistakes. AG can't even try to be the player he wants to be because he's getting stiffled by the coach.

Prime is right about AG's development... and quite honestly, that goes for every young player we've had not named Evan or Nik. As long as we have coaches that want to "win now" and the Evan and Vuc Show are asked to lead this team, there is no healthy room for players to be developed here.

AG would BLOW UP in Utah.

[Nemesis21]

I would absolutely be willing to give Briscoe a 10 game audition in Grant's rotation spot. At this point it's clear what Grant is capable and not capable of doing.

The sad part is he's actually a semi decent defender, but he's been worse offensively than Shelvin Mack and CJ Watson which seems impossible to do.

Chris Duhon

[PrimeThyme]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

I was with you until the last sentence. You can only regret trading someone if you get robbed in value. Unfortunately for AG, the FO has made him expendable if Isaac can actually stay on the floor. Also, he hasn’t been “undervalued” he’s been the face of the franchise for years while being extremely inconsistent.

That’s kind of what I’m anticipating though. He will never be able to play up to his true potential here, and I think that ends up with us trading him for someone of lesser value while AG if traded to the right situation will blossom.

I really don’t get the “face of the franchise”. Like how do you figure? lol. He is still playing second fiddle to Vuc and Fournier. Claiming that he is that makes me think that we have also made some attempt to build around him and with the Isaac and Bamba picks you could much easier make the argument that we have done the opposite. Drafting DSJ, moving up to get Doncic, or trading for a PG would make me think we were building around him or trying to set him up for the most success.

Right now especially with how his deal is structured, I don’t think by any means he is viewed as a face of the franchise. He is much more a trade piece than anything.

[VFX]

The only way AG makes an all star game this year is if this team is .500 or better in January/February and he is averaging in the 20-22 and 10 range. I for one don’t see either of those two things happening this year.

I also don’t see an Oladipo type jump from AG either. Oladipo is easily a top 15 and arguably a top 10 player in the NBA right now. I can’t realistically see that in the cards for AG, but in the right situation on the right team could I see him as a top 30 player and see him making a few all star games? Absolutely.

AG has never once been put in the ideal situation to succeed and maximize his abilities while he has been here. He just hasn’t. If he went to Utah, Indiana, or a team known for player development like those two I 100% see a scenario where that happens. Maybe it happens here, but I see him more as a player we move on from in the next two years and him as another guy that was highly criticized and undervalued while he was here (despite being surround by an awful roster and all time bad PG play) and will be someone we regret trading down the road.

I was with you until the last sentence. You can only regret trading someone if you get robbed in value. Unfortunately for AG, the FO has made him expendable if Isaac can actually stay on the floor. Also, he hasn’t been “undervalued” he’s been the face of the franchise for years while being extremely inconsistent.

That’s kind of what I’m anticipating though. He will never be able to play up to his true potential here, and I think that ends up with us trading him for someone of lesser value while AG if traded to the right situation will blossom.

I really don’t get the “face of the franchise”. Like how do you figure? lol. He is still playing second fiddle to Vuc and Fournier. Claiming that he is that makes me think that we have also made some attempt to build around him and with the Isaac and Bamba picks you could much easier make the argument that we have done the opposite. Drafting DSJ, moving up to get Doncic, or trading for a PG would make me think we were building around him or trying to set him up for the most success.

Right now especially with how his deal is structured, I don’t think by any means he is viewed as a face of the franchise. He is much more a trade piece than anything.

While buddy ball is still prevalent here, AG is definitely the player with the most exposure in Orlando in all other areas. Other than with Ibaka, which wasn’t AGs best showing, he’s been featured in every lineup imaginable and given a healthy amount of minutes. Have the current and previous regimes given him the talent to feed off of? No. But to say he was undervalued isn’t true.

I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say that trading AG would be a better move than keeping him due to the choices this current FO have made in regards to talent acquisition. He’s in the position now where his trade value return is greater than his production on the floor.

[magicman112]

The photo and the video from the Lowe post are excellent.



It's like having EP back!*

*Disclaimer: This comment applies only to the specific scenario shown in the above photo. Any other interpretations of this comparison are not allowed.

Might be a better play just to let him chuck open threes than to let him try to facilitate...

I thought we were done with a PG that dribbles the air out of the ball but nope. He'll just dribble away seconds off the shot clock.

[PrimeThyme]

I was with you until the last sentence. You can only regret trading someone if you get robbed in value. Unfortunately for AG, the FO has made him expendable if Isaac can actually stay on the floor. Also, he hasn’t been “undervalued” he’s been the face of the franchise for years while being extremely inconsistent.

That’s kind of what I’m anticipating though. He will never be able to play up to his true potential here, and I think that ends up with us trading him for someone of lesser value while AG if traded to the right situation will blossom.

I really don’t get the “face of the franchise”. Like how do you figure? lol. He is still playing second fiddle to Vuc and Fournier. Claiming that he is that makes me think that we have also made some attempt to build around him and with the Isaac and Bamba picks you could much easier make the argument that we have done the opposite. Drafting DSJ, moving up to get Doncic, or trading for a PG would make me think we were building around him or trying to set him up for the most success.

Right now especially with how his deal is structured, I don’t think by any means he is viewed as a face of the franchise. He is much more a trade piece than anything.

While buddy ball is still prevalent here, AG is definitely the player with the most exposure in Orlando in all other areas. Other than with Ibaka, which wasn’t AGs best showing, he’s been featured in every lineup imaginable and given a healthy amount of minutes. Have the current and previous regimes given him the talent to feed off of? No. But to say he was undervalued isn’t true.

I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say that trading AG would be a better move than keeping him due to the choices this current FO have made in regards to talent acquisition. He’s in the position now where his trade value return is greater than his production on the floor.

Let me ask you this, if you put him on a playoff team like Indiana or Utah right now and let him play off Mitchell or Dipo and next to very good role players do you think he would put up significantly better numbers and be viewed in a different light? I do, and I think many others do as well. That's why I say he is undervalued and unfairly criticized by a lot of this fanbase because in my eyes he has been held back in many ways by this awful roster and lack of PG play, and he gets judged a lot of times as if that hasn't been the case. I think AG could be extremely valuable to this team with the right pieces around him but unfortunately, we have failed to do that.