Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[Nemesis21]

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We're already talking about it, in the around the NBA thread. You're late to the party.

[drsd]

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Fultz to Orlando is much more probable after this trade.



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[Airgordon00]

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Fultz to Orlando is much more probable after this trade.



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What do you think we could put together to get it done?


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[OrlandO]

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We're already talking about it, in the around the NBA thread. You're late to the party.

The real discussion starts when the news hits the spec thread aka where everyone hangs out between games.

[Furinkazan]

ahh Im reliving "at least we arent sixers" times in my mind again

[Airgordon00]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybaxtqlq
We could do a trade like this to get them more shooting and us our future PG.

Magic in: Fultz and Muscala.

Sixers in: Ross, Martin and okc 2020 first.

Magic get a possible PG of the future in Fultz( I’m not in love with him but he is still young and has a good ability to get to the basket) and an expiring in Muscala.

Sixers get a solid sixth man in Ross who will help spread the floor for them plus they get Martin who usually is a good 3pt shooter except for when he plays for us.




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[rcklsscognition]

Covington was undrafted and Saric they got from us for EP. Not bad for Philly.

[Airgordon00]

Or a possible 3 way trade to really make us all jump for joy.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yckx2phf

Magic in: Beal, Fultz and Mahinmi.

Sixers in: Ross, Martin and Okc 2020 first.

Wizards in: Fournier, Vooch, Muscala and Magic’s 2019 first top 3 protected.

Magic get a stud in Beal and get a possible PG of the future in Fultz. We take back Mahinmi’s deal but it expires when mozgov’s. A lineup of Fultz, Beal, Isaac, Gordon and Bamba could look real nice especially on the defensive end with so much length. Bench would weak but atleast we could see a nice building block for the future.

Sixers do this to get the shooting they need for the playoffs.

Wizards do this to get out of some long term money plus get some solid players that will play well off of wall.


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[yoyojw17]

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Fultz to Orlando is much more probable after this trade.



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This was my first thought when i saw this. "Hmmmm what will it take for us to rip him away?"

With his woes continuing into the season and now their seemingly decent desire to win now.... i'll throw something into the ring and hope to get response.

What are you'll willing to gamble with inorder to take a chance that he bounces back?

[PrimeThyme]

Sixers really don't get better with that trade imo. They need shooting badly and they just lost two of their best ones in that trade. I'm not a big Butler guy either. I know his stats are great but I just think he has character issues and I don't know how well he fits there. Time will tell I guess.

[Furinkazan]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybaxtqlq
We could do a trade like this to get them more shooting and us our future PG.

Magic in: Fultz and Muscala.

Sixers in: Ross, Martin and okc 2020 first.

Magic get a possible PG of the future in Fultz( I’m not in love with him but he is still young and has a good ability to get to the basket) and an expiring in Muscala.

Sixers get a solid sixth man in Ross who will help spread the floor for them plus they get Martin who usually is a good 3pt shooter except for when he plays for us.




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#bringmorechuckers

[drsd]

Sixers really don't get better with that trade imo. They need shooting badly and they just lost two of their best ones in that trade. I'm not a big Butler guy either. I know his stats are great but I just think he has character issues and I don't know how well he fits there. Time will tell I guess.

a) Butler is a better defender than either Covington or Šarić.
b) Butler is a big-shot guy (veins of ice).

This is a great trade for the Sixers to make a THIS-YEAR title run.



EDIT: Does this help Philly long term. I can be sceptic. But amy year were a title run is possible, I say, "roll the dice."


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[drsd]

What are you'll willing to gamble with inorder to take a chance that he bounces back?

Augustin is a great bench PG. And is actually cheaper than Fultz. Straight-up will not get it done. But I would not be unhappy with Orlando trading Augustin and their own first next year for Fultz. The pick could be top-4, but is more likely to be around 7-10 (with Augustin playing out the year). Augustin and a 7-10 range first for Fultz is a wonderful trade.

How is this a bad gamble for Orlando?

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[PrimeThyme]

Sixers really don't get better with that trade imo. They need shooting badly and they just lost two of their best ones in that trade. I'm not a big Butler guy either. I know his stats are great but I just think he has character issues and I don't know how well he fits there. Time will tell I guess.

a) Butler is a better defender than either Covington or Šarić.
b) Butler is a big-shot guy (veins of ice).

This is a great trade for the Sixers to make a THIS-YEAR title run.



EDIT: Does this help Philly long term. I can be sceptic. But amy year were a title run is possible, I say, "roll the dice."


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Covington by all most every metric has been a better defender these last two years and can guard 4 positions. He is excellent. Not to mention that he is pretty much a career 40% 3pt shooter. Butler does bring clutch shooting but that roster desperately needs shooters. I'm interested to see how it plays out still.

[yoyojw17]

What are you'll willing to gamble with inorder to take a chance that he bounces back?

Augustin is a great bench PG. And is actually cheaper than Fultz. Straight-up will not get it done. But I would not be unhappy with Orlando trading Augustin and their own first next year for Fultz. The pick could be top-4, but is more likely to be around 7-10 (with Augustin playing out the year). Augustin and a 7-10 range first for Fultz is a wonderful trade.

How is this a bad gamble for Orlando?

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I would happily make that trade if those were the pieces. but we don't know what they want... so i would still use the word gamble.... because fultz isn't locked to be worth a lot. But i believe he will pick up if finally given the reigns to an offense and not playing off ball.

[VFX]

Or a possible 3 way trade to really make us all jump for joy.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yckx2phf

Magic in: Beal, Fultz and Mahinmi.

Sixers in: Ross, Martin and Okc 2020 first.

Wizards in: Fournier, Vooch, Muscala and Magic’s 2019 first top 3 protected.

Magic get a stud in Beal and get a possible PG of the future in Fultz. We take back Mahinmi’s deal but it expires when mozgov’s. A lineup of Fultz, Beal, Isaac, Gordon and Bamba could look real nice especially on the defensive end with so much length. Bench would weak but atleast we could see a nice building block for the future.

Sixers do this to get the shooting they need for the playoffs.

Wizards do this to get out of some long term money plus get some solid players that will play well off of wall.


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Beal and a potentially bust Fultz isn’t worth two first round picks, Vuc(expiring), Fournier, Ross, etc. Beal isn’t THAT much of an upgrade to Fournier for the assets you are trading and future Orlando would be mortgaging.

[tiderulz]

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Fultz to Orlando is much more probable after this trade.



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What do you think we could put together to get it done?


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i wouldnt give up anything of value for Fultz. looks like a shell of what he was in college

[tiderulz]

Sixers really don't get better with that trade imo. They need shooting badly and they just lost two of their best ones in that trade. I'm not a big Butler guy either. I know his stats are great but I just think he has character issues and I don't know how well he fits there. Time will tell I guess.

covington 43% from field, 39% from 3. Butler 47% from field, 38% from 3. not losing that much in the shooting department.

[PrimeThyme]

Sixers really don't get better with that trade imo. They need shooting badly and they just lost two of their best ones in that trade. I'm not a big Butler guy either. I know his stats are great but I just think he has character issues and I don't know how well he fits there. Time will tell I guess.

covington 43% from field, 39% from 3. Butler 47% from field, 38% from 3. not losing that much in the shooting department.

Those are Jimmys numbers this year. You have to keep in mind that Philly has had spacing issues all year and Saric and Covingtons numbers have been hurt because of it. I'd be willing to bet that Butlers numbers from the field and from 3 take a hit. He is a career 34% 3pt shooter and a 45 fg%. When the majority of Covington's FGA's come from 3 his fg% is obviously going to be lower as well.

[dsg2021]

All I really see is Philly looking to acquire a PF in a much smaller trade. I think Mike Muscala and Wilson Chandler will be big pieces for them now, but they'd obviously love to add something else there.