Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[Bucketgetter]

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Saric is a top 60 player in the league?

I like your enthusiasm but I think you might be drinking the cool-aid a bit.

Sports Illustrated. Saric 54 and RoCo 48. Here's the link. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/top-100-nba-players-2019-lebron-james-stephen-curry-dirk-nowitzki#partone

Well if SI said it before the season started that must make it true!

[Klomp]

With where this team is you know you screwed up when a 27 y/o (good) role player is a key piece. Needed at least a first. And I still wouldn't love it. Out of all the "rumored" deals this was my least favorite (and that assumed a first).

The right thing to do is clean house. Trade Taj, Tolliver, Tyus, Rose, Teauge ect... With this deal one that's aims seem to be to stick us in mediocrity I doubt we will do that right either. Winning a couple of games is more important than our future. Why can't we just do the right thing for once?

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No need to trade Taj and Tyus - they're both expiring and likely won't be with the team next year. Dieng, on the other hand, is the odd man out that is likely to be traded by deadline.

That's actually WHY they should at least consider trading those guys. Get any sort of value we can for them, since they'll just walk for nothing this summer.

[PharmD]

If the deals were:

Miami: Richardson, Waiters, FRP
HOU: Knight, Chris’s, 4 FRPs
Philly: Saric, Covington

They are all similar value. I do think Richardson is the best player in the group, so I would have taken that deal. This is alright though and we NEEDED to move Butler.

we didn't have to eat any bad contracts. seems huge

[gandlogo]

I always thought Philly was a good potential trade partner. It looks like 2-5 are set on this roster for multiple years in the future. Hopefully the 2 steps up and actually contributes. Although, if Saric replaces Gibson in the starting lineup, they could sacrifice some offense and go with Okogie at 2. Let Wiggins abuse opposing benches as a microwave scorer.

[CROklahoma]

This is a huge return, one young, already good guy with tons of potential to grow, other good 3&D guy in RoCo, and a pick, for a player who'se contract is expiring in less than 7 months ...

What are you guys on about ?
Enjoy this trade as much as u can, and see what other moves should be made to make your young core of Saric, Wiggins and Towns a functional one in upcoming years

[wesleyt95]

I always thought Philly was a good potential trade partner. It looks like 2-5 are set on this roster for multiple years in the future. Hopefully the 2 steps up and actually contributes. Although, if Saric replaces Gibson in the starting lineup, they could sacrifice some offense and go with Okogie at 2. Let Wiggins abuse opposing benches as a microwave scorer.

We can tank for the draft while we're at it

[Bucketgetter]

I’ll give this one last try.

You spend $20 grand on a car. You drive it around for a year, and it takes you to some wonderful places you haven’t been in a long time.

The next year you sell the car. Do you complain if the buyer won’t give you $20 grand for it?


When you compare Zach, Dunn and #7 directly to Covington, Saric, pick it means you don’t understand

1. That the values of players change over time, and we don’t know those perfect values ahead of time

2. Two years of Butler does not equal One year of Butler.

Oh I get it, trust me. Jimmy Butler isn't a car and you didn't trade for him to get a year of his service. He's also in his prime so the car example is extremely poor. That trade was made with the hope to retain his services for the long-term. You don't give up multiple lottery picks (players) to play someone for a year. Or maybe you do, and that's why you're the Timberwolves *shrug*. I genuinely feel bad for ya'll, Jimmy Butler is a Grade-A piece of **** and you got screwed because of it.

Lol. Back away from the keyboard, and please no more embarrassing , “two years of Butler is the same as one year of Butler” comparisons. That’s not how the transitive property works.

It's hard to believe he still doesn't understand after you laid it out for him multiple times. We traded for Jimmy Butler with 2 years left on his deal to try to make a leap. It didn't really work, and now he has less that a year left and is currently demanding a trade and sabotaging the organization. Of course he is worth less now. You even used a different analogy to reset the context.

BUT JIMMY BUTLER ISN'T A CAR

[kingofthecourt67]

Think this was a good deal for both teams. Really saddened to lose guys like Covington and Saric. They’re both a little streaky, but when they’re on they’re awesome. Also great locker room guys who are easy to root for. Wish them well. You guys are lucky to have them.

[KGdaBom]

RoCo and Saric are rated 50th and 54th best players in the NBA by SI. They are both young and under incredibly team friendly deals. This was by far the best possible deal we ever could have got. I presented this on the Philly board a month ago and got laughed out of town by the 76ers fans.

Laughed out of town by Philly fans? That’s funny considering that the overwhelming sentiment on the Sixers board is that we love the deal.

Love to see your original post and what constituted being laughed out of town to you.


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That is what always happens once you make the deal. Everybody was hating on it when I was presenting it. You can go back a month and look but that is the way it was.
If you get a motivated Jimmy that you can resign next year it's a good deal for you also. Win/WIN.

[KGdaBom]

Saric is a top 60 player in the league?

I like your enthusiasm but I think you might be drinking the cool-aid a bit.

Sports Illustrated. Saric 54 and RoCo 48. Here's the link. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/top-100-nba-players-2019-lebron-james-stephen-curry-dirk-nowitzki#partone

Well if SI said it before the season started that must make it true!

It makes it within reason validated by a respected national source. Everybody has different opinions.

[SO_MONEY]

With where this team is you know you screwed up when a 27 y/o (good) role player is a key piece. Needed at least a first. And I still wouldn't love it. Out of all the "rumored" deals this was my least favorite (and that assumed a first).

The right thing to do is clean house. Trade Taj, Tolliver, Tyus, Rose, Teauge ect... With this deal one that's aims seem to be to stick us in mediocrity I doubt we will do that right either. Winning a couple of games is more important than our future. Why can't we just do the right thing for once?

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No need to trade Taj and Tyus - they're both expiring and likely won't be with the team next year. Dieng, on the other hand, is the odd man out that is likely to be traded by deadline.

Not the point. You trade them to get future assets. And Dieng is the one where there is no need or urgency to trade.

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[Klomp]

Sixers just became even more unlikable than they already were.

[KGdaBom]

Think this was a good deal for both teams. Really saddened to lose guys like Covington and Saric. They’re both a little streaky, but when they’re on they’re awesome. Also great locker room guys who are easy to root for. Wish them well. You guys are lucky to have them.

Thank you. If you get a Motivated Jimmy you do great too.

[theGreatRC]

I'm glad Jimmy Butler is gone. Loved the player he was, he had charm to him, but he HAS to be the man. I'm curious to see how he's going to deal with being the second fiddle to Embiid.

KAT was on Butler's level offensively last season, but was more accepting to take a backseat to him. Joel Embiid is gonna say "**** that" and Jimmy's gonna have to deal with it.

I'm more excited about Saric than Covington because I think RoCo is what he is; a defensive player that's a streaky shooter so you can't rely on his to be consistent from 3 every single game.

Saric is having a slow start to the season, but he's a good passing big man that plays hard even if his defense isn't there. I think he and KAT will complement each other well.

I wish we could find a trade for Wiggs and let a defensive duo of Okogie/Covington go to work, but i'm curious to see how a Covington/Wiggins pairing does as well

[Magoose]

Don't like this deal for the Wolves.
If we had two legit stars already and we were (to some extent) competing the return would be ok.

The PROS:
- the saga has come to an end
- Saric and RoCo are a good fit age wise
- both are useful players on good value contracts
- Wiggins switched back to SG

The CONS:
- not sure how the fit is, especially defensively. RoCo is a good defender while Saric isn't. Is he going to replace Taj short term and mid term?
- Starting 5 would only have one good defender.
- Saric might be expensive in 1,5 years
- no FR picks coming back, extremely short sighted move
- loss of Patton could haunt us big time eventually (we could have resigned Patton for the minimum instead)

[Loyal[]Wolf]

With where this team is you know you screwed up when a 27 y/o (good) role player is a key piece. Needed at least a first. And I still wouldn't love it. Out of all the "rumored" deals this was my least favorite (and that assumed a first).

The right thing to do is clean house. Trade Taj, Tolliver, Tyus, Rose, Teauge ect... With this deal one that's aims seem to be to stick us in mediocrity I doubt we will do that right either. Winning a couple of games is more important than our future. Why can't we just do the right thing for once?

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No need to trade Taj and Tyus - they're both expiring and likely won't be with the team next year. Dieng, on the other hand, is the odd man out that is likely to be traded by deadline.

That's actually WHY they should at least consider trading those guys. Get any sort of value we can for them, since they'll just walk for nothing this summer.

Capspace is valuable too, you know.

[KGdaBom]

I'm glad Jimmy Butler is gone. Loved the player he was, he had charm to him, but he HAS to be the man. I'm curious to see how he's going to deal with being the second fiddle to Embiid.

KAT was on Butler's level offensively last season, but was more accepting to take a backseat to him. Joel Embiid is gonna say "**** that" and Jimmy's gonna have to deal with it.

I'm more excited about Saric than Covington because I think RoCo is what he is; a defensive player that's a streaky shooter so you can't rely on his to be consistent from 3 every single game.

Saric is having a slow start to the season, but he's a good passing big man that plays hard even if his defense isn't there. I think he and KAT will complement each other well.

I wish we could find a trade for Wiggs and let a defensive duo of Okogie/Covington go to work, but i'm curious to see how a Covington/Wiggins pairing does as well

People keep saying RoCo is a good defender. He is an ALL NBA DEFENDER. That is more than good. Last I checked he was second in the NBA in combined steals and blocks.

[alabamawolf]

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. You would trade Zach LaVine, Lauri Markkanen, and Kris Dunn for Robert Covington, Dario Saric, and a 2nd round pick?

Oh... you want to use hindsight. Gotcha!

Do I believe Teague/Rose, Wiggins, Covington, Saric/Gibson, Towns is better then Teague/Dunn, LaVine, Wiggins, Gibson, Towns, yes I do. People complete forget there's only 1 basketball on the court and defense comes into play also.

LaVine is a scorer on a bad team... I'd be ok with him as a scoring 6th man, not so much as a starter.

You also need to calculate in not being on year 15 of no playoffs.

The ceiling of this team has just dropped with this Butler trade, a good .500 or a little above .500 team is in the future for this franchise now.

No, I want to use reality and facts.

Could you answer my question with a yes or no, please?

The deal would be Lavine, Dunn, Markennen for Covington, Saric, Bayless, and a year of Jimmy Butler. Those are the facts

[jmoy]

I must say I am happy to get this much in return. No bad contracts. No expiring on players we want to keep. No hope of a team being bad so a draft pick has more value. This was about the best we were going to get and it isn't too bad

[_AIJ_]

Don't like this deal for the Wolves.
If we had two legit stars already and we were (to some extent) competing the return would be ok.

The PROS:
- the saga has come to an end
- Saric and RoCo are a good fit age wise
- both are useful players on good value contracts
- Wiggins switched back to SG

The CONS:
- not sure how the fit is, especially defensively. RoCo is a good defender while Saric isn't. Is he going to replace Taj short term and mid term?
- Starting 5 would only have one good defender.
- Saric might be expensive in 1,5 years
- no FR picks coming back, extremely short sighted move
- loss of Patton could haunt us big time eventually (we could have resigned Patton for the minimum instead)

Which of the reported deals were you in favor of?


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