Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[derek360]

Two complimentary players just don’t excite me. I wanted a potential break out star to pair up with Kat or at least a decent draft pick thrown in with those complimentary role players.

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

[GimmeDat]

A trade for proven role playing shooters? This roster looks primed to continue to D-Rose redemption tour. Hope he can keep it up and the work-load isn't too much for him.

[Neeva]

Jimmy (and thibs) really **** us over!
In order for the wolves to avoid being a threadmill team for now and throughout Kat’s prime just tank the season and pray we make a homerun coaching hire and draft pick and the lights go on in wiggins head around age 25, ala Oladipo.

[Folklore]

We should have done everything we could to also get Fultz in the deal.Its not like they can give him the money he wants and I doubt that they'll want to anyway

But he’s looking like one of the biggest busts ever.

I belive that he and his agent didnt want him there to begin with.With Ben there he'd never have a real chance to be the PG.And if we could get rid of Taj or Jeff to take a chance on him why not?

[Neeva]

I would have preffered a frp over Fultz he’s looking faulty.

Two complimentary players just don’t excite me. I wanted a potential break out star to pair up with Kat or at least a decent draft pick thrown in with those complimentary role players.

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

[Jedzz]

A trade for proven role playing shooters? This roster looks primed to continue to D-Rose redemption tour. Hope he can keep it up and the work-load isn't too much for him.

"D-Rose redemption tour" I like it. He's been a joy to watch so far this season.

Nothing is better than when someone does Rose a little wrong during a game. A player, a ref. Rose starts talking to himself and you just know he's going to add another gear and make you pay for it. I too hope he can keep it up. Especially now because Thibs is going to lean on him.

[Folklore]

i like saric but i feel like he will be a horrible fit with Thibs like Buymeapizza was.

I don't like the trade at all... Saric is ok... But defense is suspect... 3 pt% was 31% his rookie year and 39% last year... Looks like a streaky shooter at best... As for Covington, he is the 3 and D guy Wolves need, but he is already 28 (only a year younger than Butler) and doesn't fit with the timeline of young guys with Wiggins, Towns and Okogie. The worse part is the 2nd round pick... ARE YOU KIDDING? Could've gotten at least a first round pick... Or made them add in Fultz considering Wolves gave up Patton as well...

Please don't talk about that like its going to be here longer than it should.

[GimmeDat]

A trade for proven role playing shooters? This roster looks primed to continue to D-Rose redemption tour. Hope he can keep it up and the work-load isn't too much for him.

"D-Rose redemption tour" I like it. He's been a joy to watch so far this season.

Nothing is better than when someone does Rose a little wrong during a game. A player, a ref. Rose starts talking to himself and you just know he's going to add another gear and make you pay for it. I too hope he can keep it up. Especially now because Thibs is going to lean on him.

It's been pretty special for Bulls fans. He's not, and never will be, pre-injury Rose again, but this is a new, smarter, more skilled D-Rose, and he's proving a lot of people wrong. I never thought I'd see the day Rose would put up a line close to 50, ever. I was so happy.

[LibertyPrime]

I think ill miss patton more than ill miss jimmy.

THERE is where Minnesota messed up IF Patton stays healthy .

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If we want to, we can just sign him back next year. He's not doing anything this year to make himself look like a strong buy, thanks to the broken foot.

[Bucketgetter]

Sports Illustrated. Saric 54 and RoCo 48. Here's the link. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/top-100-nba-players-2019-lebron-james-stephen-curry-dirk-nowitzki#partone

Well if SI said it before the season started that must make it true!

If you disagree with the ranking, I'd like to hear your thoughts on where they rank, their strengths/weaknesses as players.

I don't even necessarily disagree, I just think it's funny that the poster kept referencing this random list created before the season even started as a fact or something.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I'll be pulling for Dario and RoCo in Minny. Both guys leave everything on the court night in and night out. RoCo is a seamless fit anywhere, but some advice: give Dario time to find his niche. He might underwhelm at first but once he finds his groove will be a serious asset. He averaged 17.2ppg, 7.3rpg, 3.5apg with a +4.3 BPM over 10 games in the playoffs (against 2 top defenses).

[Takingbaconback]

If you watch Saric shoot the ball, he's got a very nice shooting stroke. He's a great piece to put around Wiggins and KAT in today's NBA, and Covington on that nice contract is too. Wolves still aren't going to have a good record with all these teams rising in the West so if they can hit in this draft, they will be looking pretty. This team can now actually space the floor out, but Thibs still coaches like it's 2000 so it won't work out too well. Honestly Wolves with Teague/Butler/Wiggins/KAT should have been much better if they played to their strengths on offense and focused on getting to the break like the Rockets

[K4P]

The Minnesota Timberwolves will make the playoffs this season.

100% calling it now.

[Takingbaconback]

I'll be pulling for Dario and RoCo in Minny. Both guys leave everything on the court night in and night out. RoCo is a seamless fit anywhere, but some advice: give Dario time to find his niche. He might underwhelm at first but once he finds his groove will be a serious asset. He averaged 17.2ppg, 7.3rpg, 3.5apg with a +4.3 BPM over 10 games in the playoffs (against 2 top defenses).

I think Butler is a phenomenal fit with the Sixers in terms of their personality and on the floor (but that's just a given). He and Embiid will be best friends in no time.

[derek360]

I would have preffered a frp over Fultz he’s looking faulty.

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

Either would've been fine... Again, Fultz is only 20. He has time to fix his issues... The pick wouldn't have been very good but a first is a first. Could've done another deal with the lottery pick we'll probably get this year to move up this next draft. This hideous 2nd round pick is useless.

[Bucketgetter]

Two complimentary players just don’t excite me. I wanted a potential break out star to pair up with Kat or at least a decent draft pick thrown in with those complimentary role players.

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

1. Covington is still 27
2. Tolliver is a better 3 point shooter than RoCo. So not even the best, and certainly not BY FAR.
3. Those two aren't even comparable lmao. Patton has played 4 minutes and is so injured we declined his 3rd year option. He's a FA at the end of this year, worth nothing to us. Fultz still has major upside and is a part of the 76ers future plans.

[Neeva]

The Minnesota Timberwolves will make the playoffs this season.

100% calling it now.

Warriors, jazz , nuggets, blazers, rockets, spurs, thunder
Clippers/pelicans?
i just do not see it.

[Neeva]

He turns 28 next month.

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

1. Covington is still 27
2. Tolliver is a better 3 point shooter than RoCo. So not even the best, and certainly not BY FAR.
3. Those two aren't even comparable lmao. Patton has played 4 minutes and is so injured we declined his 3rd year option. He's a FA at the end of this year, worth nothing to us. Fultz still has major upside and is a part of the 76ers future plans.

[Bucketgetter]

He turns 28 next month.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

1. Covington is still 27
2. Tolliver is a better 3 point shooter than RoCo. So not even the best, and certainly not BY FAR.
3. Those two aren't even comparable lmao. Patton has played 4 minutes and is so injured we declined his 3rd year option. He's a FA at the end of this year, worth nothing to us. Fultz still has major upside and is a part of the 76ers future plans.

So that makes him 27.

[derek360]

Two top 60 players in the NBA. Both young on GREAT CONTRACTS. We did amazing.

Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

1. Covington is still 27
2. Tolliver is a better 3 point shooter than RoCo. So not even the best, and certainly not BY FAR.
3. Those two aren't even comparable lmao. Patton has played 4 minutes and is so injured we declined his 3rd year option. He's a FA at the end of this year, worth nothing to us. Fultz still has major upside and is a part of the 76ers future plans.

1. Read it wrong about Covington's age. He'll be 28 next month.

2. Percentage-wise Tolliver is better but that is skewed because Covington attempts more 3s than Tolliver. Tolliver has never averaged more than 4.6 3s a game in his career (per basketballreference.com). Covington has averaged 6 3pt attempts since his 2nd season.

3. Fultz has only played 27 games, which isn't a big sample either. Both have major upside but have yet to prove their potential. I would've added another player (Tyus or whoever) to get Fultz.