Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[Neeva]

How do you think Philly ended up with a bunch of disposable assets to trade for an all star to get them over the hump?

So Money has no vision. This is the trade I wanted from the minute Butler requested a trade.

Its great you wanted to middle, but I wouldn't be bragging about it.

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I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

[SO_MONEY]

So Money has no vision. This is the trade I wanted from the minute Butler requested a trade.

Its great you wanted to middle, but I wouldn't be bragging about it.

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I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

RoCo is not "young" he is in his prime. Additionally if presented with middling and tanking, tanking is the only smart option. With how our roster is constructed, having two soft players that have a lot of maturing to do, your best bet is to build for the future where your future is not dependent on thoes players making massive leaps as well as middle draft picks overachieving.

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[shangrila]

It's an ok deal. Would have liked a 1st but eh. Glad the circus is over and both Covington and Saric are good pieces that fit around KAT and to a lesser extent Wiggins.

I'm not sure I like it for the Sixers though. As far as I know, one of the main problems they've had has been with spacing (so much so that Simmons/Embiid asked the coach for more Reddick). I get that Jimmy is a star and all that but he's not Klay Thompson, he needs the ball to be effective. So they replaced Covington, their best shooter, with Jimmy, a fairly mediocre career shooter (though he's up at 38% this year to be fair) who's also going to demand a higher usage and more shots. I just don't think it helps them as much in reality as it does on paper.

[Neeva]

Agreed which is why we need to tank his season already. I don’t care if some fans don’t like it’s the smart thing to do longterm. Get a superstar( zion or reddish) that will hit his stride when wiggins and Kat are in their prime then you are a serious contender to Host playoffs and not just a middling team trying to barely sneak into the 8th spot.

Its great you wanted to middle, but I wouldn't be bragging about it.

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I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

RoCo is not "young" he is in his prime. Additionally if presented with middling and tanking, tanking is the only smart option. With how our roster is constructed, having two soft players that have a lot of maturing to do, your best bet is to build for the future where your future is not dependent on thoes players making massive leaps as well as middle draft picks overachieving.

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[KGdaBom]

You really need to stop overhyping him lol people will be quite disappointed

I guess man, I mean don't follow him that closely, but I remember before the extension he was shooting like 45% from 3 on high volume, which was of course an aberration. 36% is a lot less impressive and consistent with his career numbers. Whenever I check his box score it doesn't look good. He shoots like 40% from the field, which doesn't constitute a good shooter. But yeah, I guess 11.5 for an elite defender is the going rate these days

RoCo is 2nd in the NBA in combined steals and blocks last I checked. Behind only Rudy Gobert. That is some serious talent. I think that 11.5 million is below the going rate.

I'm not overhyping anything. I'm just stating a fact.

[KGdaBom]

How do you think Philly ended up with a bunch of disposable assets to trade for an all star to get them over the hump?

Its great you wanted to middle, but I wouldn't be bragging about it.

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I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

Some unbelievable circumstances all fell into place for Philthy to tank as long and as bad as they did and they still haven't accomplished squat. I hope they get no success because they disgust me. If that is your vision you are welcome to it. I wan't no part of it.

[TheDominator273]

I think ill miss patton more than ill miss jimmy.

THERE is where Minnesota messed up IF Patton stays healthy .

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two surgeries on the same bad foot! wtf is there to miss? the guy will be lucky to have an NBA career being that big with a bum foot.

Patton's injuries have been to both feet which isn't a great sign. His left foot is what he broke last year and then had the cleanup preventative surgery at the beginning of this off season on. His current broken foot is his right foot.

It's very possible that due to his famed growth spurt his body isn't equipped to handle the athletic endeavors of a person his size.

[KGdaBom]

Its great you wanted to middle, but I wouldn't be bragging about it.

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I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

RoCo is not "young" he is in his prime. Additionally if presented with middling and tanking, tanking is the only smart option. With how our roster is constructed, having two soft players that have a lot of maturing to do, your best bet is to build for the future where your future is not dependent on thoes players making massive leaps as well as middle draft picks overachieving.

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27 is young. He should be good for 6 more years. That's young to me. Saric likely has around 10 good years left. Chances are if we tried for draft picks from other teams we never would have got a player as good as either RoCo or Saric. If we tanked for years sure sooner or later we would have with our own pick if that's the way you want to play it. I will never respect that.

[KGdaBom]

Agreed which is why we need to tank his season already. I don’t care if some fans don’t like it’s the smart thing to do longterm. Get a superstar( zion or reddish) that will hit his stride when wiggins and Kat are in their prime then you are a serious contender to Host playoffs and not just a middling team trying to barely sneak into the 8th spot.

I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

RoCo is not "young" he is in his prime. Additionally if presented with middling and tanking, tanking is the only smart option. With how our roster is constructed, having two soft players that have a lot of maturing to do, your best bet is to build for the future where your future is not dependent on thoes players making massive leaps as well as middle draft picks overachieving.

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Even if we tank all year there is no guarantee that we even get a top 5 pick in the draft. I guess we should tank for about 5 years so KAT will walk when his contract is up and maybe we get a couple good picks. Oh Joy.

[SO_MONEY]

How do you think Philly ended up with a bunch of disposable assets to trade for an all star to get them over the hump?

I guess your vision is to go the pure tank method. Try our hardest to be as bad as possible in the hopes of getting lucky in the Lottery. IMO that is a disgusting way to run a franchise. RoCo and Saric are good young players that should help us for the next 6-10 years. They are both on excellent contracts. This was an amazing deal for a player who was on an expiring contract and was making a complete a$$ out of himself.

Some unbelievable circumstances all fell into place for Philthy to tank as long and as bad as they did and they still haven't accomplished squat. I hope they get no success because they disgust me. If that is your vision you are welcome to it. I wan't no part of it.

The only bad thing you can do in sports is middle. If you don't understand that, that is on you not me. You can try and go all in or you can be building for the future. If building for the future means tanking so be it, but that is not always the case. Boston is an example of both winning and building for a furure at the same time, there is a plan. You have to go from point A to point B. You generally need future assets to either go all in or build for the future. We didn't gain any future assets when given the opportunity, we middled and I don't respect THAT.

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[Jedzz]

I'll take Lord Covington's defense. This team just needs it. Blocks/steals? We need them badly. The more the merrier.

But let's stop pretending he's going to help us compete at 3 point shots anymore than we are used to. He's never shot over .400 on 3s in any year. That's the golden number and it is what it is. He's no more likely to hit a 3 than Wiggins is.

He's also only 1 year younger than Jimmy Butler. So he's not "young". He's not going to play here for 6-8 years, like I've read here.

We got two usable players in return for one player we could no longer rely on. Is what it is. I'm excited for starting over on Monday and seeing what kind of lemonade Thibs can mix up now.

[KGdaBom]

How do you think Philly ended up with a bunch of disposable assets to trade for an all star to get them over the hump?

Some unbelievable circumstances all fell into place for Philthy to tank as long and as bad as they did and they still haven't accomplished squat. I hope they get no success because they disgust me. If that is your vision you are welcome to it. I wan't no part of it.

The only bad thing you can do in sports is middle. If you don't understand that, that is on you not me. You can try and go all in or you can be building for the future. If building for the future means tanking so be it, but that is not always the case. Boston is an example of both winning and building for a furure at the same time, there is a plan. You have to go from point A to point B. You generally need future assets to either go all in or build for the future. We didn't gain any future assets when given the opportunity, we middled and I don't respect THAT.

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We gained two young very talented players who should help us for 6-9 years respectively. It was a great trade. We could make great progress over the next several years.

Tanking usually doesn't result in anything good. Philly the biggest tankers of all time who got as I stated some very unusual lucky circumstances still hasn't accomplished anything. If you respect losing as bad as you can on purpose for the hope of getting lucky years down the road and you think that is respect worthy you have my pity.

[KGdaBom]

I'll take Lord Covington's defense. This team just needs it. Blocks/steals? We need them badly. The more the merrier.

But let's stop pretending he's going to help us compete at 3 point shots anymore than we are used to. He's never shot over .400 on 3s in any year. That's the golden number and it is what it is. He's no more likely to hit a 3 than Wiggins is.

He's also only 1 year younger than Jimmy Butler. So he's not "young". He's not going to play here for 6-8 years, like I've read here.

We got two usable players in return for one player we could no longer rely on. Is what it is. I'm excited for starting over on Monday and seeing what kind of lemonade Thibs can mix up now.

Covington could easily be a very good player for us for the next 6 years. Is he under contract for 3 or 4 years right now?

[SO_MONEY]

Some unbelievable circumstances all fell into place for Philthy to tank as long and as bad as they did and they still haven't accomplished squat. I hope they get no success because they disgust me. If that is your vision you are welcome to it. I wan't no part of it.

The only bad thing you can do in sports is middle. If you don't understand that, that is on you not me. You can try and go all in or you can be building for the future. If building for the future means tanking so be it, but that is not always the case. Boston is an example of both winning and building for a furure at the same time, there is a plan. You have to go from point A to point B. You generally need future assets to either go all in or build for the future. We didn't gain any future assets when given the opportunity, we middled and I don't respect THAT.

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We gained two young very talented players who should help us for 6-9 years respectively. It was a great trade. We could make great progress over the next several years.

Tanking usually doesn't result in anything good. Philly the biggest tankers of all time who got as I stated some very unusual lucky circumstances still hasn't accomplished anything. If you respect losing as bad as you can on purpose for the hope of getting lucky years down the road and you think that is respect worthy you have my pity.

There is a differnce between being young and old, Covington is not young, it is so obviously false you need to keep repeating it. If you are to fairly represent his age it would be the equivalent of middle aged. He is just starting to enter his prime years.

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[KGdaBom]

The only bad thing you can do in sports is middle. If you don't understand that, that is on you not me. You can try and go all in or you can be building for the future. If building for the future means tanking so be it, but that is not always the case. Boston is an example of both winning and building for a furure at the same time, there is a plan. You have to go from point A to point B. You generally need future assets to either go all in or build for the future. We didn't gain any future assets when given the opportunity, we middled and I don't respect THAT.

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We gained two young very talented players who should help us for 6-9 years respectively. It was a great trade. We could make great progress over the next several years.

Tanking usually doesn't result in anything good. Philly the biggest tankers of all time who got as I stated some very unusual lucky circumstances still hasn't accomplished anything. If you respect losing as bad as you can on purpose for the hope of getting lucky years down the road and you think that is respect worthy you have my pity.

There is a differnce between being young and old, Covington is not young, it is so obviously false you need to keep repeating it. If you are to fairly represent his age it would be the equivalent of middle aged. He is just starting to enter his prime years.

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He should have at least 6 very good years left. To me that is young. I'm not all that worried about trying to project what players can do for the next ten years. The next six are plenty good for me. I don't consider Butler old either. If he wasn't an a$$ I would have been thrilled to have him for the next six years.

[Jedzz]

The only bad thing you can do in sports is middle. If you don't understand that, that is on you not me.

I don't believe this thinking myself. Not as someone who likes to enjoy competitive hard working players. Only one team wins every year. You can have a good franchise competing near the top all the time and never quite getting there. I would be alright with that.

Tanking to build some kind of mega team is not just wrong, but you need to do it more than one year in a row. Like PHilly did. That means forsaking your fans for years, and hoping you make the right choices in the draft. Now, don't get me wrong. If you're team is a mess right now and you and everyone knows there is a Lebron-type player coming out in the next draft, well. Race to the bottom. Last one there is a sorry sap. But I would never really forgive the team I follow for doing it multiple years in a row on purpose. I would stop following them. That's just me. Don't let us figure out you are doing it on purpose each year.

[SO_MONEY]

We gained two young very talented players who should help us for 6-9 years respectively. It was a great trade. We could make great progress over the next several years.

Tanking usually doesn't result in anything good. Philly the biggest tankers of all time who got as I stated some very unusual lucky circumstances still hasn't accomplished anything. If you respect losing as bad as you can on purpose for the hope of getting lucky years down the road and you think that is respect worthy you have my pity.

There is a differnce between being young and old, Covington is not young, it is so obviously false you need to keep repeating it. If you are to fairly represent his age it would be the equivalent of middle aged. He is just starting to enter his prime years.

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He should have at least 6 very good years left. To me that is young. I'm not all that worried about trying to project what players can do for the next ten years. The next six are plenty good for me. I don't consider Butler old either. If he wasn't an a$$ I would have been thrilled to have him for the next six years.

Generally your prime years can range from 28 to 33, that would be about six years. Some players decline sooner, some later. There is no way to know when that decline will start with Covington, for all we know it could start soon and be within what is considered normal.

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[Jedzz]

I'll take Lord Covington's defense. This team just needs it. Blocks/steals? We need them badly. The more the merrier.

But let's stop pretending he's going to help us compete at 3 point shots anymore than we are used to. He's never shot over .400 on 3s in any year. That's the golden number and it is what it is. He's no more likely to hit a 3 than Wiggins is.

He's also only 1 year younger than Jimmy Butler. So he's not "young". He's not going to play here for 6-8 years, like I've read here.

We got two usable players in return for one player we could no longer rely on. Is what it is. I'm excited for starting over on Monday and seeing what kind of lemonade Thibs can mix up now.

Covington could easily be a very good player for us for the next 6 years. Is he under contract for 3 or 4 years right now?

12MM/yr thru 2021 season. So including this season that's 4 seasons. He won't be here any longer than that. Towns will be looking at a reup soon by that point. This team is going to rollover so many players over the next 4 years while they try to put players around the Towns and WIggins contracts. Let's hope he fits well from the start. I'm open to it. If Wiggins doesn't elevate, maybe he makes a salary dump possible by replacing Wiggins for us. Or, maybe we got our perfect complement for 4 years. Let's find out.

[Macwolf527]

This trade pushed all the right button as far as building around KAT and WIGS. Spacing, defense, and another playmaker. Something I always desired since we draft Towns was a player capable of blocking shots from the 3 or 4 position. Covington provides that. Wiggins was always a SG in my opinion because he lacked girth, so we needed another playmaker at the 3 or 4 to offsets Wiggin’s limitation in this skill. Saric will provide that. Lastly, we needed more rebounding and 3 point shooting. Between Covington and Saric, we get an additional 12-13 rebounds per game and 38% shooting (4.5 made) from the 3pt line from the forward spots based last years numbers. Insert that into the starting lineup with Gibson going to the bench, and our overall chemistry looks much better, thought probably not as efficient initially. However, we still have opportunity for significant improvements from the 3 young guys, Towns, Wiggins and Saric. I like the future look much better now with a slim chance of making a push this year if we can right the ship quickly.

[SO_MONEY]

The only bad thing you can do in sports is middle. If you don't understand that, that is on you not me.

I don't believe this thinking myself. Not as someone who likes to enjoy competitive hard working players. Only one team wins every year. You can have a good franchise competing near the top all the time and never quite getting there. I would be alright with that.

Tanking to build some kind of mega team is not just wrong, but you need to do it more than one year in a row. Like PHilly did. That means forsaking your fans for years, and hoping you make the right choices in the draft. Now, don't get me wrong. If you're team is a mess right now and you and everyone knows there is a Lebron-type player coming out in the next draft, well. Race to the bottom. Last one there is a sorry sap. But I would never really forgive the team I follow for doing it multiple years in a row on purpose. I would stop following them. That's just me. Don't let us figure out you are doing it on purpose each year.

I disagree, and there is a difference in being competitive and middling. Being competitive is fine, middling is not.

Fans hate middling btw. You have a better chance selling tickets when tanking. There is at least the promise of hope. So you are wrong on that front as well, though I think some of that was not differentiating the difference of being competitive and middling.

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