Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[MN7725]

I'm still disappointed with the trade. These guys look like decent pieces but they wont move the needle. They are probably good enough to keep us decently competitive, so this will probably be a treadmill season, we will hover a handful of games below .500 and finish like 10-12 pick wise. I hate tanking with a passion but we probably need to get a top 5 pick. I dont know what we can do beyond drafting to get into top 4 contendership in the next season or two.

The reality is Butler, and maybe Thibs depending on how he handled thing behind the scenes, have really screwed us badly. We are in no mans land. The same place we have been in much of the Love era. No obvious upside but not awful enough to get great draft picks.

Like Love, I'm not going to hate on Butler for letting it be known what he was going to do, and apparently he did immediately after last season.

Compare that to someone like Aldridge-Por, Hayward-Utah, Durant-OKC

This scenario happened because Thibs believed "winning cures all" and Butler would change his mind

[_AIJ_]

I hope the chemistry improves a ton and we win games so that a lot of people here will be eating crow


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[Klomp]

I'm still disappointed with the trade. These guys look like decent pieces but they wont move the needle. They are probably good enough to keep us decently competitive, so this will probably be a treadmill season, we will hover a handful of games below .500 and finish like 10-12 pick wise. I hate tanking with a passion but we probably need to get a top 5 pick. I dont know what we can do beyond drafting to get into top 4 contendership in the next season or two.

I'm actually optimistic. Are we a title contender? Probably not. Are we a tanker? No.

But we just added two rotation players and only lost one (or none on some games). You're likely replacing Tolliver in the rotation with Saric (and probably swapping with Gibson's minutes) and then replacing Mr. I Play When I Want To Play (or a CJ Williams/James Nunnally duo) with Robert Covington.

You also lost a major distraction to the team and probably shifted roles on the team to where they better suit players. Teague as the third option has always looked better than when he's the fourth option. Wiggins has improved his jumper, but I still don't prefer him as a secondary wing who mostly does spot-ups. This will bump his usage up some and allow him to get more into the flow. Losing Butler and replacing him with two shooters frees up touches and improves the spacing for Towns to go to work.

It sucks that we got in a bit of a hole, but I think we'll see an improvement from the team. I think it puts us in the race for the back half of the West. Sacramento would be a playoff team if the season ended today, but they don't scare me one bit.

[AirP.]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

[Mattya]

Glad most of the Butler apologists saw through his fake leadership nonsense.

[Mattya]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

So are you just going to stick around and troll? Or...

[alabamawolf]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

and Jimmy showed little to no effort on the road trip. He criticized KAT and Wiggins for caring more about individual success than winning but Jimmy only played for his stats

[walk with me]

Nobody should be worried about middling.... most of the nbas top players, top up and coming players, or solid rotational players are a result of middling


Giannis, Jokic, Kuzma, josh hart, okogi, Mitchell, booker, Capella, Gary Harris, nurkic, paskal Siakam, OG anunoby, Dejounte Murray, bobby portis, Montrez herrel josh Richardson prove that flat out tanking isn’t fully necessary.

[Mattya]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

and Jimmy showed little to no effort on the road trip. He criticized KAT and Wiggins for caring more about individual success than winning but Jimmy only played for his stats

Not to mention he had to rest because he had general soreness, after missing most of training camp complaining about other people not caring about the team.

[MN7725]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

and Jimmy showed little to no effort on the road trip. He criticized KAT and Wiggins for caring more about individual success than winning but Jimmy only played for his stats

Nets, Knicks, Clippers

Are those the teams someone who cares about winning asks to be traded to, or wants to be in two biggest markets for his “brand”?

What are we even talking about

[sky4it]

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

and Jimmy showed little to no effort on the road trip. He criticized KAT and Wiggins for caring more about individual success than winning but Jimmy only played for his stats

Nets, Knicks, Clippers

Are those the teams someone who cares about winning asks to be traded to, or wants to be in two biggest markets for his “brand”?

What are we even talking about

Thank you

[_AIJ_]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

Who cares? If youre a fan, you’ll support the team no matter what even if they suck or not. Wolves fan for life baby!


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[Dan's with the Wolves]

Now that the deal is done, I am excited to see how Wiggins/Towns and the pieces come together as a whole. Both Towns and Wiggins deferred to Jimmy and it worked last year. This year they will have a better supporting cast than what they had Pre-Jimmy. And we will find out how good both Wiggins and Towns can be. They have 10 of their next 12 games at home. We know Towns is ready to step up and he is now the clear number one option. Wiggins will get Jimmy’s touches from the perimeter. While he is not as good as Jimmy. He will be a better version of himself without Jimmy. I look forward to the two matchups with Philly coming up in Jan/Mar. Hopefully everyone is healthy for the game on both sides. Go Wolves!!!


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[sky4it]

I like the trade. sick of listening to Butler talk about how its all about the winning but he didnt give 2 **** about tearing the team chemistry apart when the season started.

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

Jimmy Butler was being paid 20 million dollars this year, to bellyache and be a disruption to the entire team. I didn't know you can make money doing that kind of s h i t. Whatever the case, that is not about winning.

The wolves are to the NBA what the LIons are to the NFL. Jimmy Butler was brought here to change that culture, he didn't and in the end he wouldn't.

Tired of losing? Yawn.........................

[AirP.]

When he says winning he's talking about competing, like giving effort like you care about winning or losing. Embiid and Simmons care way more about that then Towns and Wiggins do.

I do wonder how long it'll be before you're tired of Minnesota losing. 1 playoff appearance in the last 15 years, wouldn't doubt it ends up being 1 playoff appearance in 2 decades.

and Jimmy showed little to no effort on the road trip. He criticized KAT and Wiggins for caring more about individual success than winning but Jimmy only played for his stats

Nets, Knicks, Clippers

Are those the teams someone who cares about winning asks to be traded to, or wants to be in two biggest markets for his “brand”?

What are we even talking about

Personally, I think Butler may have a little bit of insight on what some high level players may be thinking about doing in the offseason and with that, picked those teams to be the ones he wants to sign long term with.

[SO_MONEY]

Nobody should be worried about middling.... most of the nbas top players, top up and coming players, or solid rotational players are a result of middling


Giannis, Jokic, Kuzma, josh hart, okogi, Mitchell, booker, Capella, Gary Harris, nurkic, paskal Siakam, OG anunoby, Dejounte Murray, bobby portis, Montrez herrel josh Richardson prove that flat out tanking isn’t fully necessary.

It also proves the Houston picks could have been pretty valuable. While also adding high lottery talent around KAT and company.

Middling is not smart and frankly the worst thing you can do.

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[life_saver]

Why do people club KAT with Wiggins when it comes to "not wanting to win" club? Did KAT say to you guys that he doesn't want to win? Honestly why would any star player not want to win? Like I don't get it when people say KAT doesn't wanna win but Ben Simmons is a player who wants to win...how did you even come to such a conclusion? Moreover..KAT is someone who has always made some improvements to his game through every off season. Saying he doesn't wanna win is just bs

[SO_MONEY]

Why do people club KAT with Wiggins when it comes to "not wanting to win" club? Did KAT say to you guys that he doesn't want to win? Honestly why would any star player not want to win? Like I don't get it when people say KAT doesn't wanna win but Ben Simmons is a player who wants to win...how did you even come to such a conclusion? Moreover..KAT is someone who has always made some improvements to his game through every off season. Saying he doesn't wanna win is just bs

He lacks effort. If you don't try...do you really "want" to win.

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[sky4it]

Now that the deal is done, I am excited to see how Wiggins/Towns and the pieces come together as a whole. Both Towns and Wiggins deferred to Jimmy and it worked last year. This year they will have a better supporting cast than what they had Pre-Jimmy. And we will find out how good both Wiggins and Towns can be. They have 10 of their next 12 games at home. We know Towns is ready to step up and he is now the clear number one option. Wiggins will get Jimmy’s touches from the perimeter. While he is not as good as Jimmy. He will be a better version of himself without Jimmy. I look forward to the two matchups with Philly coming up in Jan/Mar. Hopefully everyone is healthy for the game on both sides. Go Wolves!!!


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Thats about right.

Covington is a really nice piece to add. Very underated. He's on a cap friendly contract, and I guess hes an all world defender. I think he will compliment Wiggins nicely, certainly complement him better then Butler. Butler and Wigg were just too much the same.

[Rashodamus]

This isn't a winning team though. If it were I wouldn't have the same argument.

And clearly you're fine with that. And some are fine with 13 years out of the playoffs because hey.....young players, draft picks, cap space, POTENTIAL!

I'm sick of that. I've come to realize that only one team wins the NBA title each season, but there is more than one successful franchise in the league every year. As much as I want an NBA title, that doesn't define success to me. I do know that giving up because "we won't compete for 3 years" is a defeatist attitude and is pretty close to defining failure for me.

And some of us throw up in our mouth at the notion of settling for making the playoffs after 13 years while some of us will gladly trade our ability to be more and scold those who question it as "defeatist mentality".

Its called reality.

Build a team to be more than the fart in the wind WOOO 5 game embarrassment playoff MESS that it was, is that so much to ask for? Was your garbage 5 game beatdown worth a lotto pick sent to Atlanta? Was it worth trading Rubio, signing Teague, Signing Gibson, signing trash Crawford who saved us from ourselves?

So here we sit, all the clowns who a year ago cheered this move cuz you know, they dont want to be defeatists, they got what they wanted. And ya know what? Its a flaming pile of sh*t that has to be restarted with lesser pieces....but hey, at least you arent a defeatist.