Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[thinktank]

Saric and Covington are players that can help you win playoff games (and they have). LaVine, Markkanen and Dunn are not.

[SO_MONEY]

Saric and Covington are players that can help you win playoff games (and they have). LaVine, Markkanen and Dunn are not.

They are not getting this team to the playoffs, so that is moot.

[K4P]

Maybe now we can actually run plays in late game situations instead of giving the Ball to Jimmy and hoping something happens

[Neeva]

Saric and Covington are players that can help you win playoff games (and they have). LaVine, Markkanen and Dunn are not.

They are not getting this team to the playoffs, so that is moot.

Yep what they might do is kill any chance for - generational talent like Zion:/

[Jstock12]

Sometimes trading the better player for a few role players works out quite nicely. The Raptors started the 2013-14 season 6-12 so they traded Rudy Gay for John Salmons, Greivis Vasquez, Pattrick Patterson and Chuck Hayes. This was likely done in order to tank, but instead the team suddenly clicked and went on a 10-2 run, and also finished the season with a 48-34 record. From there, Masai Ujiri has continued to build on that foundation and has elevated the Raptors to the heights never experienced before by the Toronto fans.

[SO_MONEY]

Saric and Covington are players that can help you win playoff games (and they have). LaVine, Markkanen and Dunn are not.

They are not getting this team to the playoffs, so that is moot.

Yep what they might do is kill any chance for - generational talent like Zion:/

I am not even chasing generational talent, but we need to add at least another star and where we are picking, much thanks to our new incoming players we will be on the outside of having any historical or statistical advantage at landing one. This is made even worse by the fact we won't be making the playoffs either.

It would almost be comical if not for the fact they actually thought it was a good idea.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Maybe now we can actually run plays in late game situations instead of giving the Ball to Jimmy and hoping something happens

When did thibs get fired?

[Neeva]

Lol it will just be rose now with the ball instead of Jimmy.

[Macwolf527]

Great Post. I like everything you said. The problem with this idea of making the playoffs this year is that even if we are good enough to be a playoff team we won't be good enough to overcome the 5 games below .500 that we already are.

The next 12 games will determine that reality for us. We have 10 at home and 2 winnable games on the road against the Nets and Bulls. If we can go 9-3 in the next 12 and play .500 on the 4 road games following that’s an 11-5 split that puts us at 15-14 a third of the way into the season. If we go .500 or less on the next 12, it’s a wrap and we’re lottery bound.

To be straightforward, I wouldn’t be to hurt as long as the team plays hard and shows some growth. I’m hesitant to have to much success with players like Rose, Gibson and Teague. I feel it’s time to move on from high priced veterans who don’t move the needle in a major way. Rose is cheap now, but we can’t expect him to play at this level and stay cheap. I’m also ready to crossover and move on from Thibs. I was one of the few who still had faith in him, but he lost my respect by not putting Jimmy in his place the last couple of weeks. I would honestly like to see Saunders given a chance to coach this young team. He seems like the idea candidate if you can surround him with the right veteran coaches as support. That would be classic..... “Young Saunders Completes Father’s Dream!”

[minimus]

For those who thinks that Thibs is a good GM who was not allowed by Glen to implement his perfect GM/coach plan.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25245073/adrian-wojnarowski-look-final-days-jimmy-butler-saga-nba

[Killboard]

They are not getting this team to the playoffs, so that is moot.

Yep what they might do is kill any chance for - generational talent like Zion:/

I am not even chasing generational talent, but we need to add at least another star and where we are picking, much thanks to our new incoming players we will be on the outside of having any historical or statistical advantage at landing one. This is made even worse by the fact we won't be making the playoffs either.

It would almost be comical if not for the fact they actually thought it was a good idea.

Chances in the teens are far and between but not impossible. George, Leonard, Giannis, Donovan Mitchell all picked 10 or afterwards.

[SO_MONEY]

Yep what they might do is kill any chance for - generational talent like Zion:/

I am not even chasing generational talent, but we need to add at least another star and where we are picking, much thanks to our new incoming players we will be on the outside of having any historical or statistical advantage at landing one. This is made even worse by the fact we won't be making the playoffs either.

It would almost be comical if not for the fact they actually thought it was a good idea.

Chances in the teens are far and between but not impossible. George, Leonard, Giannis, Donovan Mitchell all picked 10 or afterwards.

I never said impossible. I said the chances are not to our advantage. Do you want to waste the time we have with KAT to build around waiting for something that is unlikely to happen? That is what it comes down to. If the answer is NO, then we should have looked at a different deal, because that is what we did.

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[nedleeds]

Treadmill trade for Minn unless they flip RoCo, Saric and Taj to contenders. They weren't making the playoffs with Butler, maybe they barely eke in now and get obliterated by GSW. The only way to improve this capped out roster is a high pick and they failed miserably in that endeavor, it's not to late to tank if they can dump the tradeable contracts on the roster. Then wait out Dieng, and hope KAT can play NBA defense some day.

[Dalvin]

Let me put on my Optimism Glasses.

Either this spurs us on (since the toxicity of that clown is now gone) and start winning games enough games to reach the playoffs. Thibs seems to knows how to spot talent mid to late in a draft. Dunn is a good player, average starting PG at best. Patton showed enough promise to be a home run pick, sucks that injuries has taken him away from us. Okogie looks to be the real deal. KBD was actually labeled a steal in the 2nd round, but has yet to show us what he can really do in an NBA court if given time.

Or we win games but not enough to qualify the playoffs in a stacked West. Who's to say we aren't rewarded for being patient with that clown and win the lottery (albeit, it's a small chance. but it's still possible!).

Or we just still suck. But hey, another high lottery pick in a possibly deep draft!

Since the clown is gone. I can just happily enjoy the games. You guy's negativity won't weigh me down

[Jedzz]

Sometimes trading the better player for a few role players works out quite nicely. The Raptors started the 2013-14 season 6-12 so they traded Rudy Gay for John Salmons, Greivis Vasquez, Pattrick Patterson and Chuck Hayes. This was likely done in order to tank, but instead the team suddenly clicked and went on a 10-2 run, and also finished the season with a 48-34 record. From there, Masai Ujiri has continued to build on that foundation and has elevated the Raptors to the heights never experienced before by the Toronto fans.

Great example. Let's see where these new guys fit and where it takes them.

[Jedzz]

Lol it will just be rose now with the ball instead of Jimmy.

I think this is true. But Rose is a PG. He will do both, score and feed.

[Dalvin]

Lol it will just be rose now with the ball instead of Jimmy.

I think this is true. But Rose is a PG. He will do both, score and feed.

Yeah, plus the ball just moved way better with Rose than with the ISO ball of that clown.

[Jedzz]

I saw this tweet question. Thought it was important question now.

Vladimir
‏ @VladZhao
Nov 10
Replying to @DWolfsonKSTP

Think there’s any second deal coming to thin out the glut of Taj/Saric/Tolliver/Dieng?

You could add Towns to the list just so we understand they are all going to play roughly the same role. We can call Towns a Center all we want, but we all see how he plays.

I would love it if the team made a play to get WCS here to play as Center alongside Kat. Just don't know if we have the assets to make the move. There is this glut at PF now. Probably have no picks to send out.

[Jedzz]

Lol it will just be rose now with the ball instead of Jimmy.

I think this is true. But Rose is a PG. He will do both, score and feed.

Yeah, plus the ball just moved way better with Rose than with the ISO ball of that clown.

It did. But it should. Jimmy is a SG/SF. Before Rose woke up one day and became Rose again Thibs was asking Jimmy to carry the load. I can't fault him for that and I know he's not a PG. Tyus, as much as I wanted him to pan out, just hasn't during games. I don't know if he's looking special in practice or not but in games he's been toothless this year and his creating for others has fallen through the floor. Rose came along at the right time.

[Indomitable]

Patton isn’t as talented as Embiid. One guy was drafted number 3 despite the injury concerns, the other guy was a mid first with no injury concerns. That is without mentioning that Patton has had 2 surgeries on the first foot to break and before that one was fully recovered he broke his other foot.

Joel had a fracture but they took the long road. Patton has potential and Philly has a history of helping this. Simmons had a broken foot too.

I believe they will do better by him.

Embiid’s talent was clear, Patton is just what you said potential. There was never a question if Embiid would be good. But for a developing player like Patton who is mostly just potential missing 2 years of basketball and having multiple surgeries on both feet is not something you can just brush off. They are not equal. Not sure how Philly can do better by him. He literally broke his foot the first week he was in Minnesota.

Philly did fine. They gave you role players for a top 20 player.

Embiid was consider a possible bus but they let him heal. They are a better organization then you guys.

You got some value and hopefully Wiggins steps up. Still, you traded for role players. They do not have star potential.