Life after Millsap........????

[WalterBenjamin]

Do you ever go to sleep and regrett that you didn't draft OG Anunoby 2017?! Hhhh. This Denver team would really be set on all positions for a long time.

is that a dig or something ?? Stupid question

Not intended as a provocation. Just think in the long term it is the only real miss step that could cost this team in a future when being in a position to contend for a title.

[NuggetsWY]

Do you ever go to sleep and regrett that you didn't draft OG Anunoby 2017?! Hhhh. This Denver team would really be set on all positions for a long time.

If you are coming here just to bait Denver fans, please do not come back. Bring something constructive or
stay away. No more warnings needed.

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[NuggetsWY]

Do you ever go to sleep and regrett that you didn't draft OG Anunoby 2017?! Hhhh. This Denver team would really be set on all positions for a long time.

is that a dig or something ?? Stupid question

Not intended as a provocation. Just think in the long term it is the only real miss step that could cost this team in a future when being in a position to contend for a title.

Then consider the forwards we have and you may see that we have one young man that's probably better than Anunoby. Sure we wanted him as fans, but things are working out okay. Not necessarily from that trade. But overall.

Your original post here just wasn't welcome. Your explanation softens it, just be careful when you go into another fan base, and what you say.

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[U hova]

Do you ever go to sleep and regrett that you didn't draft OG Anunoby 2017?! Hhhh. This Denver team would really be set on all positions for a long time.

I have frustrations about the lack of a back-up plan when the Raptors sniped the pick, but we ended up with MPJ and Vanderbilt so I don't really regret how past events unfolded.

[skywalker33]

Was looking over potential 2019 Free Agents at the PF position and one name jumped out (beyond Trey Lyles that is): Julius Randle. Coming out of Kentucky I thought of his as just a rebounder with a little offense. However, he seems to be proving to me he's more than I expected. We'd definitely have the money to go after him, any interest ??

How do we have the money? He signed a deal for 1 year to prove last year wasn't a fluke, so he can get paid and last I check we will have less than $10 million to spend unless we renounce Lyles.

You are correct that even if we pay Lyles cap hold we are still $9M under the cap, not enough to really entertain a good enough offer to lure Randle away. However, if we go into the luxury cap apron, much like we are this year we'd have roughly in the $18M range which could be enough. Randle is still young enough to fit into our core, is showing signs of a good inside scoring presence (something we're lacking), and is a strong rebounder. Biggest question about Randle is his defense. There IS a way financially, albeit I wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax for him. So if we don't feel the fit, that's a different argument because we can make him a competitive offer if we want.

[The Rebel]

Was looking over potential 2019 Free Agents at the PF position and one name jumped out (beyond Trey Lyles that is): Julius Randle. Coming out of Kentucky I thought of his as just a rebounder with a little offense. However, he seems to be proving to me he's more than I expected. We'd definitely have the money to go after him, any interest ??

How do we have the money? He signed a deal for 1 year to prove last year wasn't a fluke, so he can get paid and last I check we will have less than $10 million to spend unless we renounce Lyles.

You are correct that even if we pay Lyles cap hold we are still $9M under the cap, not enough to really entertain a good enough offer to lure Randle away. However, if we go into the luxury cap apron, much like we are this year we'd have roughly in the $18M range which could be enough. Randle is still young enough to fit into our core, is showing signs of a good inside scoring presence (something we're lacking), and is a strong rebounder. Biggest question about Randle is his defense. There IS a way financially, albeit I wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax for him. So if we don't feel the fit, that's a different argument because we can make him a competitive offer if we want.

That is not how that works you can only sign free agents with available cap space under the cap space or using exceptions like the MLE. There is literally no way to sign Randle or any other free agent that signs for more then the MLE without trading someone for him in a sign and trade for either a player or using one of our TPEs from the salary dumps and adding in a pick or something and then we will not be able to go over the cap apron. Of course that also means renouncing Millsap.

[TunaFish]

How do we have the money? He signed a deal for 1 year to prove last year wasn't a fluke, so he can get paid and last I check we will have less than $10 million to spend unless we renounce Lyles.

You are correct that even if we pay Lyles cap hold we are still $9M under the cap, not enough to really entertain a good enough offer to lure Randle away. However, if we go into the luxury cap apron, much like we are this year we'd have roughly in the $18M range which could be enough. Randle is still young enough to fit into our core, is showing signs of a good inside scoring presence (something we're lacking), and is a strong rebounder. Biggest question about Randle is his defense. There IS a way financially, albeit I wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax for him. So if we don't feel the fit, that's a different argument because we can make him a competitive offer if we want.

That is not how that works you can only sign free agents with available cap space under the cap space or using exceptions like the MLE. There is literally no way to sign Randle or any other free agent that signs for more then the MLE without trading someone for him in a sign and trade for either a player or using one of our TPEs from the salary dumps and adding in a pick or something and then we will not be able to go over the cap apron. Of course that also means renouncing Millsap.

I believe the Nuggets have two trade exceptions, one at 12 mil and one at 13 mil. I know they can't be combined but they could bring in two players that fit that salary range. I am becoming more convinced that they will exercise their team option on Millsap and release him simply because his contract is too big.

[Coeur]

Millsap is still a very good two-way player, and he is actually a good fit with Jokic. But your main point is correct of course, he is not worth right now $30M per season, and next year can be only worse. We have a team option next summer and no way we are going to extend it. I think we should all our salary cap space next summer to use to buy one big FA name, a forward player.

If we ignore biggest names of SF/PF forwards 2019 FA market which will never join Denver (Durant, Leonard, Butler, Porzingis), our targets can be 15M-20M level guys like Khris Middleton, Tobias Harris, Nikola Mirotic... or we should use trade option (but our assets are limited). Expiring players from rebuilding teams can be interesting (for example, Kevin Love).

I like the idea of trading millsaps contract slot into a few players for sure over the fa cap space


Cleveland would want to do love and Korver for millsap right? Would they add value ? My hope is that them adding value and some value from the nugs could get Fultz from Philly

[Coeur]

You are correct that even if we pay Lyles cap hold we are still $9M under the cap, not enough to really entertain a good enough offer to lure Randle away. However, if we go into the luxury cap apron, much like we are this year we'd have roughly in the $18M range which could be enough. Randle is still young enough to fit into our core, is showing signs of a good inside scoring presence (something we're lacking), and is a strong rebounder. Biggest question about Randle is his defense. There IS a way financially, albeit I wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax for him. So if we don't feel the fit, that's a different argument because we can make him a competitive offer if we want.

That is not how that works you can only sign free agents with available cap space under the cap space or using exceptions like the MLE. There is literally no way to sign Randle or any other free agent that signs for more then the MLE without trading someone for him in a sign and trade for either a player or using one of our TPEs from the salary dumps and adding in a pick or something and then we will not be able to go over the cap apron. Of course that also means renouncing Millsap.

I believe the Nuggets have two trade exceptions, one at 12 mil and one at 13 mil. I know they can't be combined but they could bring in two players that fit that salary range. I am becoming more convinced that they will exercise their team option on Millsap and release him simply because his contract is too big.

That's how it goes. That's why is so frustrating being a nugs fan. Chances are they let both those exceptions expire. And chances are they do the same with millsap. Imagine a franchise trying to maximize all possible assets.

[skywalker33]

Interesting talk again just after Millsap has his best game of the season. He does seem to be getting better since the beginning of the season, but he'll still need to take a huge cut in salary to continue on with the Nuggets.

[NuggetsWY]

That is not how that works you can only sign free agents with available cap space under the cap space or using exceptions like the MLE. There is literally no way to sign Randle or any other free agent that signs for more then the MLE without trading someone for him in a sign and trade for either a player or using one of our TPEs from the salary dumps and adding in a pick or something and then we will not be able to go over the cap apron. Of course that also means renouncing Millsap.

I believe the Nuggets have two trade exceptions, one at 12 mil and one at 13 mil. I know they can't be combined but they could bring in two players that fit that salary range. I am becoming more convinced that they will exercise their team option on Millsap and release him simply because his contract is too big.

That's how it goes. That's why is so frustrating being a nugs fan. Chances are they let both those exceptions expire. And chances are they do the same with millsap. Imagine a franchise trying to maximize all possible assets.

Yes, the Nuggets have allowed trade exceptions to expire and it frustrates me - sometimes. On the other hand, they don't want to get into the repeater tax bracket until they have to. With Jokic, Harris, and soon Murray all taking up sizeable slots; spending too much on role players, even use exceptions, can get very costly. Now, if Porter lives up to expectations/hype; that'd be four players in $25m plus range and that's most of the cap space.

[13th Man]

I could see Larry Nance Jr being a great fit next to Jokic

In the post-Millsap era I see Porter Jr as our PF starter, sharing minutes with Lyles which can be a backup center too after Plumlee exit, which means 25+ mpg from the bench playing PF/C both. IT will also leave, so Barton will be our SG/SF backup option (with Morris covers PG from the bench). So big-name FA forward which we should take next summer should be rather SF than PF, or at least combo (in case Porter really more suits to SF than PF despite 6'10 height). Sixers are in better position to take some superstar at SF spot (even Durant is possible scenario), so Covington will be probably open for trade, and he is player which really suits to Nuggets with his great defense and good 3pt skills. It would be probably some three-team deal because Nuggets has no assets now which Sixers needs.

MPJ is the guy, obviously we all know about his health. I think the Nuggets will become my favorite team once Porter suits up, this kid is a stud on the court.

[skywalker33]

I could see Larry Nance Jr being a great fit next to Jokic

In the post-Millsap era I see Porter Jr as our PF starter, sharing minutes with Lyles which can be a backup center too after Plumlee exit, which means 25+ mpg from the bench playing PF/C both. IT will also leave, so Barton will be our SG/SF backup option (with Morris covers PG from the bench). So big-name FA forward which we should take next summer should be rather SF than PF, or at least combo (in case Porter really more suits to SF than PF despite 6'10 height). Sixers are in better position to take some superstar at SF spot (even Durant is possible scenario), so Covington will be probably open for trade, and he is player which really suits to Nuggets with his great defense and good 3pt skills. It would be probably some three-team deal because Nuggets has no assets now which Sixers needs.

MPJ is the guy, obviously we all know about his health. I think the Nuggets will become my favorite team once Porter suits up, this kid is a stud on the court.

You're welcome to jump on the band wagon but I really don't think you are gonna see MPJ until next year. But WATCH OUT !!!

[13th Man]

In the post-Millsap era I see Porter Jr as our PF starter, sharing minutes with Lyles which can be a backup center too after Plumlee exit, which means 25+ mpg from the bench playing PF/C both. IT will also leave, so Barton will be our SG/SF backup option (with Morris covers PG from the bench). So big-name FA forward which we should take next summer should be rather SF than PF, or at least combo (in case Porter really more suits to SF than PF despite 6'10 height). Sixers are in better position to take some superstar at SF spot (even Durant is possible scenario), so Covington will be probably open for trade, and he is player which really suits to Nuggets with his great defense and good 3pt skills. It would be probably some three-team deal because Nuggets has no assets now which Sixers needs.

MPJ is the guy, obviously we all know about his health. I think the Nuggets will become my favorite team once Porter suits up, this kid is a stud on the court.

You're welcome to jump on the band wagon but I really don't think you are gonna see MPJ until next year. But WATCH OUT !!!

That's true. I'm already on the bandwagon sort of as I have Jokic as the cornerstone of my fantasy team. Going to try to snag Barton off waivers soon too

But seriously, the Nuggets are a fun team to watch, they are playing well but are not the same team without Barton imo. Next year, a lineup of Murray, Harris, Barton, MPJ and Jocic would be awesome. Then you have solid backups like Lyles and Monte Morris coming off the bench. Can't wait for this.

[THE J0KER]

Nuggets Hire Sue Bird As Basketball Operation Associate

Seems our FO is preparing for some serious charm-offensive upcoming summer. Fact is that in common years from FA market we get only Millsap out of established NBA big names, and we won the battle for Millsap simply because we are the only ones who offer max offer (per season salary).

With so many talented young players less or more per every position, the only thing we really need upcoming summer is one great forward. We can't attract Durant nor Kawhi, guard-forwards Butler and Klay is also unrealistic. The only max-contract player for which we can compete is... I will say it first on this forum... Kristaps Porzingins, in case of Knicks give up from him scared of his potential injury problems. In that case, KP would feel frustrated and betrayed, and a young team where the biggest star is another unusual Euro-big player, and even more important, which GM is the man he can trust the most - The Baltic Connection, Arturas Karnisovas. Denver is already involved into big injury gamble drafting Porter jr, and not to remind you on sad Marcus Camby case, a player destined to be one of the all-time best defensive players if injuries not ruined so much his career. But for me, KP is worth max-offer gamble, no need to explain how high ceiling would be the eventual Murray-Harris-MPJ-KP-Jokic lineup.

With no access to the all-star level max-contract free agents (if we forget about that KP potential exception), our target should be players (forwards) close to that level from 20M-25M salary range. And unlike in Millsap case which is already veteran when he signed for Denver, this guy must be on his prime years during the whole contract period. That is a very important detail because he must be tradable, so depending on MPJ development case (will he be better as SF or PF, or will he play at all on the highest level and stays healthy) we can trade him for a player which will better fit, or if we were in a position to get for him (adding some another asset) an all-star level player also via trade. 2019 forwards free agents which best suit to the what I just described are probably Tobias Harris and Kris Middleton (honorable mention - Nikola Mirotic).