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Post#521 » by PhilasFinest » Sun Nov 4, 2018 3:28 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Are you guys adopting the position that Korkmaz won't amount to an NBA rotation player?


I don't see it....maybe he has some type of breakout year down the line on a terrible team, but I've seen very little to get excited about.
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Post#522 » by TTP » Sun Nov 4, 2018 4:19 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Are you guys adopting the position that Korkmaz won't amount to an NBA rotation player?


Seems unlikely given that no team wanted to trade for him on a rookie contract where they'd only have to commit to 2 million next year. That's incredibly damning.
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Post#523 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 11:01 pm

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meh. Pick 26... so not really a franchise breaking pick. In fact almost that entire draft was pure trash. Apart from Brogdon at pick 36 there is nobody outside the top 10 worth selecting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NBA_draft


The draft is largely a crap shoot at that point. Yes, good drafters find good players there, and there were some really good players drafted after him that year, but it is still a numbers game.

It’s not like Korkmaz is done. He just isn’t ready, and he is on a team now that needs him to be ready if he is going to get minutes.

I think that if he had stayed over in Europe last year, and maybe even this year, that he would be someone that we were excited about and would be more equipped to contribute to the team.

He is physically immature still.


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I understand hes young and 21 years old.....but what exactly has he "flashed" that makes you optimistic that he simply isn't ready?

He struggles to make shots (which is supposed to be his strongest attribute as an NBA player)
He struggles to defend (not just a strength thing)
He struggles to score. He's not quick, explosive or athletic.

Im not trying to beat the kid up, but from what I've seen of him in the NBA,G-League,Summer League.....he doesn't scream NBA player to me. Dude was supposed to be the Turkish Klay Thompson/Kevin Martin yet he can't shoot above 30%.


I’m not optimistic with him. I’m stating a fact that he simply isn’t ready for the league physically. That doesn’t mean that he will be an nba player when he IS ready.

I’m just saying that deciding that he can’t play at this point isn’t fair. In my mind, he should shut up and sit on the bench. I wouldn’t cut him until we had a better prospect for his roster spot.


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Re: Welcome Furkan Korkmaz 

Post#524 » by Yuri Vaultin » Wed Nov 7, 2018 2:24 pm

Maybe I'm missing something here, but are your opinions that he can't play based entirely on the 30 minutes of garbage time he's played over the first 11 games? Whenever I've seen him play in international the kid has killed it often leading Turkey in scoring. 2 minutes here and 5 minutes there every 3 games seems like an unlikely method of forming an opinion on anyone.
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Post#526 » by PhilasFinest » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:43 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:Maybe I'm missing something here, but are your opinions that he can't play based entirely on the 30 minutes of garbage time he's played over the first 11 games? Whenever I've seen him play in international the kid has killed it often leading Turkey in scoring. 2 minutes here and 5 minutes there every 3 games seems like an unlikely method of forming an opinion on anyone.


He sucked in the G-league getting heavy minutes.
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Post#527 » by mithrandir17 » Thu Nov 8, 2018 3:55 am

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Yuri Vaultin wrote:Maybe I'm missing something here, but are your opinions that he can't play based entirely on the 30 minutes of garbage time he's played over the first 11 games? Whenever I've seen him play in international the kid has killed it often leading Turkey in scoring. 2 minutes here and 5 minutes there every 3 games seems like an unlikely method of forming an opinion on anyone.


He sucked in the G-league getting heavy minutes.

Also he must have not been showing enough in practice to force Brett to play him over Shamet.
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Post#528 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 8, 2018 4:06 am

Korkmaz' G-League stint was jack central, but it was only 9 games.
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Post#529 » by Winejk » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:55 pm

With the Jimmy Butler trade I now understand why Korkmaz option was not picked up. Going to need every bit of cap room this offseason.

On the other hand, I wonder if this trade opens up the opportunity for Korkmaz to get some playing time. For certain there will be some minutes in the immediate future until Butler reports, but there may be some minutes at SF open too. And for sure Philly needs more 3 point point shooting.
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Post#530 » by eso3 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:47 am

Great game for him tonight. It’s a shame the he is finally showing up when his option was declined. I think it’s a given that he will be traded for a veteran win now expiring player. There’s no point in keeping him.


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Post#531 » by Kova » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:00 am

We'll use him until we get a veteran shooter. Good game yesterday, but he can be streaky, so lets hope he keeps it up and raises his value while the team is winning.
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Post#532 » by Winejk » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:30 pm

On the Miami game telecast I heard Aala mention that Korkmaz seems like a different player with a different attitude once his option wasn't picked up. So my question is that just a casual observation that we all could have made or does Aala have some inside information or observation? If Korkmaz had bad body language and poor attitude in practice prior to declining his option and he took things more seriously after then you can understand the move to decline his option. However if it is just a case of Brown & Co. not realizing Korkmaz's ability, then that is a big mistake.

It just sucks that Korkmaz is exactly what the team needs (rumors of acquiring Korver or Melo...what do they provide that Korkmaz can't?), he's sitting right there on your roster and you whif. His has such a quick release with a high release point...he can get his shot off against anyone. He also has some handles. Who cares if he is streaky...he's coming off the bench. If he was consistent he'd be a starter. It was only one game against Miami, but his defense wasn't as bad as I imagined. He wasn't above average, but he wasn't a liability either. I'm just so sick because having a cost controlled player to fill out the roster is so valuable.
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Post#533 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:38 pm

They had to know he could play. It was easy to see. I guess they expected him to be patient and idle while they sandbagged him on the bench in favor of a high draft pick who hadn't earned opportunity. Korkmaz, rightfully so, wouldn't play ball, so to speak.
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Post#534 » by Negrodamus » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:41 pm

I could imagine that they were planning on working Furkan into the rotation once they finalized this trade since RoCo and Saric will leave a void from the perimeter. Furkan is really the only guy on the team with some size that can hit from outside.
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Post#535 » by PhilasFinest » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:20 pm

How the hell was it "easy to see" that Furkan could play? The dude struggled to make shots at almost every level he got a chance to play at.

In 80 NBA minutes last season, he struggled. He shot under 30% from the field and from 3.He doesn't flash much on defense outside of generating steals.

In 9 G league games he logged almost 32 MPG. He averaged 15 ppg on 35% from the field and a whopping 19% from 3 on almost 8 attempts a game.

In the Summer league he put up 16ppg while shooting 38% from the field. He had a monster game where he looked incredible and some others where he looked completely pedestrian.

He clearly was/is a streaky shooter from outside and was given the green light to shoot. He flashed some here and there but at the end of the day, he was inefficient and likely wasn't going to have such a green light for the Sixers in meaningful games. Who knows what he looks like in a practice setting, but he clearly wasn't lighting it up because he wasn't getting minutes at all....even a rookie (Shamet) was getting steady rotation minutes over him.

Its nice to see him play well in a 2 game sample due to being undermanned....I guess we will see how it pans out the rest of the season. Id certainly welcome him playing this way nightly, but some are acting like we had a baby Klay Thompson sitting on the bench for the past year who was lighting it up and we simply didn't play him. We've had a need for perimeter shooting/scoring for years....if he was so regularly flashing it, I'm pretty sure we would have tried to find a way to use him.
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Post#536 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:29 pm

He's been the only player in the practice facility in the last two years capable of scoring from all three levels. All his advanced international metrics passed the smell test. He dropped 40 in a summer league game while playing on the ball. I felt confident enough in him to think he was a rotation player.

The only way I could accept other people thinking he stunk was on the basis of him being a catch-and-shoot player. His jumper is way too streaky for that. He's an on-ball player.
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Post#537 » by Monix » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:30 pm

Kobblehead wrote:He's an on-ball player.

not in the NBA
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Post#538 » by nrok10307 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:33 pm

Kobblehead wrote:He's been the only player in the practice facility in the last two years capable of scoring from all three levels. All his advanced international metrics passed the smell test. He dropped 40 in a summer league game while playing on the ball. I felt confident enough in him to think he was a rotation player.

The only way I could accept other people thinking he stunk was on the basis of him being a catch-and-shoot player. His jumper is way too streaky for that. He's an on-ball player.


Sixers coaches saw him everyday for the past two years. He had plenty of opportunities to crack the rotation with Muscala, Chandler, Bayless, Shake, and Zhaire all injured.

Our current GM Elton Brand was the GM of the 87ers while Furkan was playing heavy minutes! Brand should know Furkan's abilities very well.

Either its a flash in the pan / small sample size of two games. Or Brand/Brett poorly evaluated Furkan's talent and its a miss and we should really question their overall talent evaluation.
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Post#539 » by PhilasFinest » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:34 pm

Kobblehead wrote:He's been the only player in the practice facility in the last two years capable of scoring from all three levels. All his advanced international metrics passed the smell test. He dropped 40 in a summer league game while playing on the ball. I felt confident enough in him to think he was a rotation player.

The only way I could accept other people thinking he stunk was on the basis of him being a catch-and-shoot player. His jumper is way too streaky for that. He's an on-ball player.


So you think Korkmaz is capable of breaking down NBA defenders consistently with his handle and lack of explosiveness...then finishing inside the paint or getting his shot off?

I personally don't think he's been doing this on a consistent basis in the facility over the last 2 years...because if he was, he would have been playing.

He's looked good the past 2 games because he's making his perimeter shots. he's hit 6/13 from 3PT (18 of his 28 points scored scored). Is that type of 3PT shooting sustainable or is it simply him being on a hot streak?

When he dropped 40 in the SL, he hit 8 3's. and probably attempted double digits.
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Post#540 » by nrok10307 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:40 pm

Winejk wrote:With the Jimmy Butler trade I now understand why Korkmaz option was not picked up. Going to need every bit of cap room this offseason.

On the other hand, I wonder if this trade opens up the opportunity for Korkmaz to get some playing time. For certain there will be some minutes in the immediate future until Butler reports, but there may be some minutes at SF open too. And for sure Philly needs more 3 point point shooting.


If the Sixers needed cap space, they could have ideally traded Korkmaz for a fake second rounder or a cheap expiring. Before they declined his option, you would think they explored this option - therefore, they must have gotten feedback that other GMs thought Korkmaz was negative value.

Declining an option is really the last resort (other than waiving), when both the current team and all other teams don't want the player.

Maybe Furkan now has a chip on his shoulder and is finally playing angry and with an intensity he never had before?? Who knows

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