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Archx wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:/video/1
Damn i miss Barkley so much. He would have floored him so Ferguson would never try this again.
TASTIC wrote:Archx wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:/video/1
Damn i miss Barkley so much. He would have floored him so Ferguson would never try this again.
Mark West and PJ Tucker too. Probably the Morri as well.
We don't need a goon but we need someone who other teams just think twice about.
Dare I say...Matt Barnes...
lilfishi22 wrote:TASTIC wrote:Archx wrote:
Damn i miss Barkley so much. He would have floored him so Ferguson would never try this again.
Mark West and PJ Tucker too. Probably the Morri as well.
We don't need a goon but we need someone who other teams just think twice about.
Dare I say...Matt Barnes...
I'd say the closest player we have to a real dog out there on the court is Holmes. That guy plays with effort, with energy and he does the dirty work.
Archx wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:TASTIC wrote:Mark West and PJ Tucker too. Probably the Morri as well.
We don't need a goon but we need someone who other teams just think twice about.
Dare I say...Matt Barnes...
I'd say the closest player we have to a real dog out there on the court is Holmes. That guy plays with effort, with energy and he does the dirty work.
To be honest, the only time i doubted Igor was last night when he didn't play Holmes 25+ minutes. He was working under the basket like a horse. Sure he did some mistakes, but the effort was really there.
This will be extremely unpopular opinion probably, but if Ayton can't even show the effort, give Holmes more minutes. Until Ayton wakes up and realizes that MAYBE it's better for him to be WCJ type of guy. Which is great on D with huge potential for offense as well. I mean he could become an all around center who doesn't need to score 20+ points every game, but he should become a work horse and that will net you many more W's and an all star appearance easily.
And who knows, with proper players around him, maybe someday even a championship. But everyone is so fixated that he has to be this 30+ ppg guy who will carry the offense, but forget that centers these days are incredibly dispensable, unless they are awesome rim protectors.
Archx wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:TASTIC wrote:Mark West and PJ Tucker too. Probably the Morri as well.
We don't need a goon but we need someone who other teams just think twice about.
Dare I say...Matt Barnes...
I'd say the closest player we have to a real dog out there on the court is Holmes. That guy plays with effort, with energy and he does the dirty work.
To be honest, the only time i doubted Igor was last night when he didn't play Holmes 25+ minutes. He was working under the basket like a horse. Sure he did some mistakes, but the effort was really there.
This will be extremely unpopular opinion probably, but if Ayton can't even show the effort, give Holmes more minutes. Until Ayton wakes up and realizes that MAYBE it's better for him to be WCJ type of guy. Which is great on D with huge potential for offense as well. I mean he could become an all around center who doesn't need to score 20+ points every game, but he should become a work horse and that will net you many more W's and an all star appearance easily.
And who knows, with proper players around him, maybe someday even a championship. But everyone is so fixated that he has to be this 30+ ppg guy who will carry the offense, but forget that centers these days are incredibly dispensable, unless they are awesome rim protectors.
Djedefre wrote:With Ayton, we got EXACTLY what everyone here expected - rebounding, solid hands and finishing, good passing for size, tendency to escape from tight situations in/around the post with mid-range jay, inconsistent motor, questionable defensive effort, poor rim-protection and lack of acknowledgement of his own (terrifying) physical attributes and how to properly use them on the court. All this was demonstrated like million times at Arizona and simultaneously pointed out by pretty much every scout and draft geek out there.
He has enough time to work on his (numerous) flaws and it's reasonable to assume he'll only get better. But how much and how fast, depends mainly (but not solely ofc) on him - his effort and willingness to work on his game and strive for greatness.
After dunking on Davis Bertans, Ayton let loose with what his signature celebration at Arizona.
“That’s the Deandre I had to show from college,” Ayton said. “I don’t think this league wants that.”
The Suns and their fans do — and Ayton said he plans to show them more of that.
“Being in that moment, you know what your strengths are,” Ayton said. “Rebounding and going back up strong. I just got tired hearing people say I’m not aggressive. That’s basically a statement. That’s going to be consistent for the rest of my career, until I can't jump.”
Saberestar wrote:After dunking on Davis Bertans, Ayton let loose with what his signature celebration at Arizona.
“That’s the Deandre I had to show from college,” Ayton said. “I don’t think this league wants that.”
The Suns and their fans do — and Ayton said he plans to show them more of that.
“Being in that moment, you know what your strengths are,” Ayton said. “Rebounding and going back up strong. I just got tired hearing people say I’m not aggressive. That’s basically a statement. That’s going to be consistent for the rest of my career, until I can't jump.”
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/2008923002?__twitter_impression=true
LukasBMW wrote:I wonder if Ayton will become more comfortable being aggressive when he realizes that he's already the best player on our team.
Yes. I said it. When Ayton plays at 100%. He's the best player on our team.
I think Booker has been a bit frustrated with him. Some of Bookers recent media comments seems like subtle jabs at Ayton and his effort. A few games ago I saw him say "They can't stop you" to Ayton. It looked like he was encouraging him to be more aggressive.
Well, they didn't play Summer League or preseason together. I'm not overly concerned, they just need more time together.lilfishi22 wrote:LukasBMW wrote:I wonder if Ayton will become more comfortable being aggressive when he realizes that he's already the best player on our team.
Yes. I said it. When Ayton plays at 100%. He's the best player on our team.
I think Booker has been a bit frustrated with him. Some of Bookers recent media comments seems like subtle jabs at Ayton and his effort. A few games ago I saw him say "They can't stop you" to Ayton. It looked like he was encouraging him to be more aggressive.
What I find a bit confusing is how there seems to be little to no chemistry between Ayton and Booker. Perhaps it's a timing issue on PnR's because Tyson is slower and doesn't jump as high but last season the Booker/Chandler PnR alleyoop was one of the few things which seems to work with some kind of consistency and I expected Ayton would be able to run that same play but better. I feel like after 14 games, I've maybe seen them connect on an alleyoop dunk, maybe once?
I'm a bit surprised
lilfishi22 wrote:I just thought it would be more seamless than it is. I'm not worried, I'm just a bit surprised.
bwgood77 wrote:Ayton looked the best he's looked last night. Hopefully he improves on his block %...(this is ranked in order of block %)
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2019/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/blk_pct/All/desc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=
jcsunsfan wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ayton looked the best he's looked last night. Hopefully he improves on his block %...(this is ranked in order of block %)
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2019/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/blk_pct/All/desc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=
Wow. Mitchell Robinson looking like the real deal. The Knicks finally hitting on one.
bwgood77 wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ayton looked the best he's looked last night. Hopefully he improves on his block %...(this is ranked in order of block %)
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2019/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/blk_pct/All/desc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=
Wow. Mitchell Robinson looking like the real deal. The Knicks finally hitting on one.
Yeah, he's the only rookie with a TS% higher than Ayton also...though he's obviously not as good of scorer overall and doesn't play nearly the minutes.