PG Memphis - Bucks Bent Over By Refs

[Prez]

Again, Lebron was never subjected to him getting nitpicked every god damn game for 2-3 years about his shooting or fts or tunrovers at cavs while he was scoring 30s and winning MVP with the Cavs because they knew their team had other problems to focus on than to **** on lebrons shooting.

Literally no fanbase ive seen are crapping on their superstar this much.

Are you being serious right now?

LeBron is one of the most, if not THE most nitpicked, ridiculously scrutinized player in the history of basketball.

Again, you miss the point. The days in the Cavs Lebron wasnt nitpicked for his shooting, not by the cavs fans but from the typical outside guys like happens to every superstar. There is a huge difference others **** on your superstar and nitpick him which happens even more with Ginnis btw since his shooting is brought up every damn day by other fans compared to your own fanbase saying that he either cannot become great because of his lack of shooting or we lost games of that.

Saying that a guy that scores crazy efficiently 26 average at night, playing D POY , rebounds and facilitates well is the reason we are losing or isnt good enough for him is absolute Bull, no offense.

Giannis doesn't receive even a fraction of the scrutiny/criticisms LeBron got/still gets. This is just a ridiculous argument whether you want to separate it into "team fans" vs. "outside guys".

Also, even if LeBron didn't get as much criticism from Cavs fans...it's probably because LeBron was never as poor of a shooter as Giannis, and was simply on a different level as a player.

[FrieAaron]

I think the fanbase never had a very good player and they don't know had to handle it. Is anybody around from when Kareem was here?

So then this is the first time you guys have watched American sports, yes? Post-Giannis?

I am old enough to have watched Kereem (not on Bucks). You started with Jabari?

This doesn't even make sense. Why do you guys keep bringing up Jabari?

[TroyD92]

Giannis is the best player on a team with high aspirations so his play will be talked about after every win and loss. I don't think that should surprise you. Also, if Giannis is going to be in the same conversation as the LeBrons of the word, he's going to be subjected to the same level of criticism. It comes with the territory my man.

Lebron was never remotely closely subjected to the crap Giannis does, not even remotely close.

Again, so far this year Giannis is the most efficient guy in the league, he is the best defender , he literally does everything.

Scoring isnt just shooting and its not as much of deal for a guy that can score 26 on 60+ fg % or some other crazy stat.

It will help him have lower t/os and more option sure but even now he got tons of options as he is a playmaker instead of just being as scorer.

Giannis perfectly understands that instead of wasting a possession on him bricking the damn 3 he will try FIRST to get a guy open that shoots better than him or go at the rim, those are his strengths and he should stick at it.


Remind me what happen when the people asking GIannis to shoot started **** on him when he too couple few games ago.... yeah

MG, scouring the internet for any giannis criticism and trying to police it is a recipe for mental self-sabotage. It don't matter if a person is **** jesus christ, they will still get criticism. And you're on a forum full of Bucks fans while you yourself are a giannis fan, and you know we're going to have less emotional attachment to him than you do.

I will add before the greek fans blast you that we have a high emotional attachment to him. We love the guy.

[TroyD92]

So then this is the first time you guys have watched American sports, yes? Post-Giannis?

I am old enough to have watched Kereem (not on Bucks). You started with Jabari?

This doesn't even make sense. Why do you guys keep bringing up Jabari?

MG brought up Jabari

[Magic Giannison]

The reason they do that because Henson this season is more of a threat at shooting 3s than scoring in the paint...

Yes, but you don't think Henson not being a coward changes things?


Anyway, I'm not getting blamed for this argument in another thread today. Giannis' jump shot is a long term issues but it wasn't out problem today. His two three point attempts looked good and that's a positive.

No because Henson doesn't remotely impact the floor to change things, they still follow the same defensive role on him as with Lopez but at lesser extend. In fact Henson isnt even counted for his offensive prowls.

Comparing him to Giannis who impacts every aspect of the floor on both ends isnt the right way to do.

Im not blaming you just having a discussion.

[FrieAaron]

I am old enough to have watched Kereem (not on Bucks). You started with Jabari?

This doesn't even make sense. Why do you guys keep bringing up Jabari?

MG brought up Jabari

I'm just confused as to what he has to do with any of this.

[TroyD92]

This doesn't even make sense. Why do you guys keep bringing up Jabari?

MG brought up Jabari

I'm just confused as to what he has to do with any of this.

Giannis can't shoot so we should bring back Jabari??>>??>>???

[TD75]

Giannis in year 6 and he's still made minimal progress as a shooter and is averaging *five* turnovers per game.

EVERYONE on this board loves Giannis - that doesn't mean people can't call out obvious flaws in his game. If you're fed up with that, that's more of a you problem honestly.

after this game if we had won, would anybody be discussing about Giannis? maybe whether he was the man of the match or not. The talk today is because we lost and we have to find a scapegoat. Giannis today was good at least compared to the rest of the team.

That he is a bad shooter we all now. Should it be our second phrase in every subject?

Giannis is the talk today because TD75 made a post calling out people who are critical of Giannis' shooting. NOBODY pinned this loss on Giannis before that post, and people still aren't doing that. Bizarro responded to it with a totally reasonable post, and predictably got ripped for it.

Apparently I am "calling out people" with the posts below.

Post that started this:

Giannis' jumpshot will be referenced in eternity in every loss, no matter if it was a factor or not.

The discussion that followed.

Agreed.

Now take a look at the fact that he scored 31 points in 10/14 FGM/FGA and 11/12 FTM/FTA and tell me his jumper cost us the victory. Because last time I checked, we kept praising this team because it was shooting well around their superstar.

Also, by expecting GIannis to be able to shoot well (at 23 y/o), you expect him to have the influence of an all - time great player right now. That is not reasonable.

Today most of the roster failed badly. Brogdon was not good. Lopez was once again getting exploited. Even with that, we were one Ersan sitting on the bench away from winning this. This loss has nothing to do with Giannis.

Did I say a single word, a single phrase, even remotely reference Giannis' lack of a jumper cost the Bucks the game?




Hint: NO

Great, then we agree.

[paulpressey25]

Guys, please get back to talking about the game versus a couple posts pages back. We’ve talked that issue out.

[Magic Giannison]

Are you being serious right now?

LeBron is one of the most, if not THE most nitpicked, ridiculously scrutinized player in the history of basketball.

Again, you miss the point. The days in the Cavs Lebron wasnt nitpicked for his shooting, not by the cavs fans but from the typical outside guys like happens to every superstar. There is a huge difference others **** on your superstar and nitpick him which happens even more with Ginnis btw since his shooting is brought up every damn day by other fans compared to your own fanbase saying that he either cannot become great because of his lack of shooting or we lost games of that.

Saying that a guy that scores crazy efficiently 26 average at night, playing D POY , rebounds and facilitates well is the reason we are losing or isnt good enough for him is absolute Bull, no offense.

Giannis doesn't receive even a fraction of the scrutiny/criticisms LeBron got/still gets. This is just a ridiculous argument whether you want to separate it into "team fans" vs. "outside guys".

Also, even if LeBron didn't get as much criticism from Cavs fans...it's probably because LeBron was never as poor of a shooter as Giannis, and was simply on a different level as a player.

AGAIN, the Cavs fanbase wasn't doing to nitpicking on Lebron like our fanbase does, mainly on this forum, outside realGM no Bucks fan does this.Go at Bucks reddit or twitter they will literally laugh at you if you start pointing out GIannis shot as a problem.

Also i already showed you last game that Lebron was as bad shooter as Giannis before he went to heat.Its a widely known fact.

[FrieAaron]

The bottom line is this - part of being a superstar is your faults are magnified and scrutinized far more than other players. It's usually not fair but it's certainly nothing new or unique to Bucks fans. I guarantee you when the Cavs/Heat would lose a close game and Lebron had 6 turnovers they would have been brought up by someone. Because people hold them to extremely high standards.

[Dante80]

Reading the boxscore. Good things, we are consistently out-rebounding the opposing team. We are also always outscoring in the paint (thanks Giannis), and producing in the fast-break. All things considered, shooting 9/35 from the perimeter and still managing to come close to a win is pretty good.

It is also extremely nice to see that both DDV and Pat can contribute well. If they didn't, Snell and Delli minutes would have been much higher, and Brogdon would have also been under a lot of pressure. Hope that DDV is ok, we need the guy.

The loss was pretty infuriating the way it happened, but it is what it is. On to the next one!

[Prez]

after this game if we had won, would anybody be discussing about Giannis? maybe whether he was the man of the match or not. The talk today is because we lost and we have to find a scapegoat. Giannis today was good at least compared to the rest of the team.

That he is a bad shooter we all now. Should it be our second phrase in every subject?

Giannis is the talk today because TD75 made a post calling out people who are critical of Giannis' shooting. NOBODY pinned this loss on Giannis before that post, and people still aren't doing that. Bizarro responded to it with a totally reasonable post, and predictably got ripped for it.

Apparently I am "calling out people" with the posts below.

Post that started this:

Giannis' jumpshot will be referenced in eternity in every loss, no matter if it was a factor or not.

The discussion that followed.

Did I say a single word, a single phrase, even remotely reference Giannis' lack of a jumper cost the Bucks the game?




Hint: NO

Great, then we agree.

My mistake, you didn't call anyone out directly. But if you want to pretend that post wasn't a reference to people who are critical of Giannis' shooting, ok.

[MoreTrife]

""Long season, can't win em all blar blar blar".

No. Despite everything, elite teams win that at home. Ugly loss. bull.

[Magic Giannison]

MG brought up Jabari

I'm just confused as to what he has to do with any of this.

Giannis can't shoot so we should bring back Jabari??>>??>>???

I explained my Jabari post like 3times to 3 different people already, this is tiresome

[thomchatt3rton]

I don't get why people don't see the problem with Giannis in the offense refusing to take wide open jump shots. I'd imagine most of his turnovers come after he passed up a wide open shot.

I'm not sure I buy that taking open long-range shots would cure the TO problem with Giannis, but maybe you can convince me. I think it would be better if he took wide open 3s, but I don't see that warping defenses unless he started shooting lights out from 3. He's too good going to the rim- teams will always prefer him shooting outside.

Where am I wrong? Honest question.

Teams are already defending Henson has a threat to shoot a three so Giannis taking (and hopefully) making some will help. I also think because he doesn't have the jumper he's forced to literally force his way through defenders right now.

But Henson isn't a threat to penetrate so why not run out at him? He's not going to hit an open cutter either.

I don't disagree it would help if Giannis would shoot open 3s, I said as much. But I see his TO problems more as an issue with how he attacks the basket, which is a double-edged sword- he scores a lot attacking his way, but he also turns it over attacking that way. I think the main solution lies elsewhere- either how Giannis is used off-ball, or how Giannis attacks the basket.

[TroyD92]

Again, you miss the point. The days in the Cavs Lebron wasnt nitpicked for his shooting, not by the cavs fans but from the typical outside guys like happens to every superstar. There is a huge difference others **** on your superstar and nitpick him which happens even more with Ginnis btw since his shooting is brought up every damn day by other fans compared to your own fanbase saying that he either cannot become great because of his lack of shooting or we lost games of that.

Saying that a guy that scores crazy efficiently 26 average at night, playing D POY , rebounds and facilitates well is the reason we are losing or isnt good enough for him is absolute Bull, no offense.

Giannis doesn't receive even a fraction of the scrutiny/criticisms LeBron got/still gets. This is just a ridiculous argument whether you want to separate it into "team fans" vs. "outside guys".

Also, even if LeBron didn't get as much criticism from Cavs fans...it's probably because LeBron was never as poor of a shooter as Giannis, and was simply on a different level as a player.

AGAIN, the Cavs fanbase wasn't doing to nitpicking on Lebron like our fanbase does, mainly on this forum, outside realGM no Bucks fan .

Also i already showed you last game that Lebron was as bad shooter as Giannis before he went to heat.Its a widely known fact.

Lebron was a 32-34% shooter in cleveland. Giannis is a 25% shooter on way less volume. What you stated as a fact is totally false.

[ClassicJack]

Jesus the Greeks are worse than the Aussies during prime Bogut. The Aussies just seemed to have their feelings hurt about criticism. The Greeks seem like they would legit fight you if you were in person. At least their guy is better.

[paulpressey25]

Wondering if Thon can give us two consistent five minute bursts in each half. Would allow us to reduce Henson’s minutes. Could be big.

[FrieAaron]

""Long season, can't win em all blar blar blar".

No. Despite everything, elite teams win that at home. Ugly loss. bull.

Nah, even elite teams lose these games occasionally and the Grizz aren't a bad team. Move on and hopefully there aren't too many others with this energy.