PG Memphis - Bucks Bent Over By Refs

[Wooderson]

You know why star players take a lot of criticism? Not only because they get a lot of the praise when the team wins but also because the team will win a lot more if the star player improves their game. Sure the Bucks will improve a little bit if Brogdon becomes a better ball handler but how much will the Bucks improve if Giannis can develop into a 35% 3 point shooter? A ton because not only will he be able to get basically anywhere he wants to, defenders won't be able to anticipate his next move as easily and that leads to less offensive fouls, more efficiency on offense, it will just make everything easier for everybody.

But are we just going to hear this after every loss regardless of how big of an impact it had on the Bucks losing? His TOs are more of a problem right now (though at least they're all dead balls).

Yes we he all want Giannis to be a respectable shooter and to be the undisputed best player in the league and that's likely what it will they for this team to ever win it all. It's just strange to some (even a non-Greek like me!) that the vast majority of this thread is dedicated to this same topic despite Giannis having a very good game and other issues being the main driver in the loss.

[blazza18]

Ersan is fast becoming the new Snell. Getting a lot of minutes and not doing much.

He's slow footed and when he's not hitting shots it's hard to play him. We knew this heading in. It's why his contract is and will always be bad.

[Magic Giannison]

Nah you're right, LeBron wasn't in his prime when he won back to back MVPs and had one of the greatest individual seasons in NBA history in 2009.

OMG you cant be serious, even the most hard die Cavs fans will tell you that Miami Lebron> Cavs one. He was more efficient better defender and was impact the floor despite having lower usage and sharing the floor with other 2 superstars.

He was also much more efficient and overall better player

MVP means nothing, its all about narrative and Lebron could've won multiple but he didnt because league didnt want him to monopolize it despite being the best player by far.

Peak =/= prime. If you don't think LeBron was in his prime even in his last couple years in Cleveland before the decision I don't think you followed his career very closely.

Nobody that watches basketball or watched Miami Lebron play will say that he was in prime with the Cavs. Got nothing to do with the peak, he was literally better basketball player with Miami, thats a fact.

Lebron wasnt in prime at 25, he was at 27

[trwi7]

You know why star players take a lot of criticism? Not only because they get a lot of the praise when the team wins but also because the team will win a lot more if the star player improves their game. Sure the Bucks will improve a little bit if Brogdon becomes a better ball handler but how much will the Bucks improve if Giannis can develop into a 35% 3 point shooter? A ton because not only will he be able to get basically anywhere he wants to, defenders won't be able to anticipate his next move as easily and that leads to less offensive fouls, more efficiency on offense, it will just make everything easier for everybody.

But are we just going to hear this after every loss regardless of how big of an impact it had on the Bucks losing? His TOs are more of a problem right now (though at least they're all dead balls).

Yes we he all want Giannis to be a respectable shooter and to be the undisputed best player in the league and that's likely what it will they for this team to ever win it all, it's just strange to some (even a non-Greek like me!) that the vast majority of this thread is dedicated to this same topic despite Giannis having a very good game and other issues being the main driver in the loss.

Well it turns into that because seemingly no Greek fan can take any criticism of Giannis. Giannis obviously wasn't the issue tonight, I don't think any poster would say he was. Even though the turnovers are still ridiculously high.

[har13]

Did any of you Greeks told them never to ctiticize Gianni after a bad game of his?
If not did Giannis played bad today?

[Prez]

OMG you cant be serious, even the most hard die Cavs fans will tell you that Miami Lebron> Cavs one. He was more efficient better defender and was impact the floor despite having lower usage and sharing the floor with other 2 superstars.

He was also much more efficient and overall better player

MVP means nothing, its all about narrative and Lebron could've won multiple but he didnt because league didnt want him to monopolize it despite being the best player by far.

Peak =/= prime. If you don't think LeBron was in his prime even in his last couple years in Cleveland before the decision I don't think you followed his career very closely.

Nobody that watches basketball or watched Miami Lebron play will say that he was in prime with the Cavs. Got nothing to do with the peak, he was literally better basketball player with Miami, thats a fact.

2009 LeBron was inarguably better than both 2011 and 2014 Miami LeBron. And a LOT of people argue 09 as his peak or at least top 2. If you want to argue that a player wasn't in his prime when he won back to back MVPs, then LOL.

[Magic Giannison]

Did any of you Greeks told them never to ctiticize Gianni after a bad game of his?
If not did Giannis played bad today?

Its hilarious me myself call out GIannis when he makes mistakes during game and now they take out of context the raptos who fight among eachother about kawhi just because a wast minority that doesn't like him call Kawhi out

This is even more hilarious since i frequent there a lot

[yannisk]

When you discuss the performance of a player in a game you discuss according to his abilities. You don't say we would have won this game if Brogdon was tall and strong as Shaq and we could post him, or if he had Iverson handles he could get to the rim every time. Giannis is a BAD shooter, this is a given we want him to develop to a better shooter but this does not happen from game to game. He is a bad shooter when we win and he is a bad shooter when we lose. This is not the reason we lost especially since he went 10/14 so he did not hurt as with his misses. We can complain about his TOs though

[thomchatt3rton]

Yep.

The problem is that he has nights when his FT shooting seems good and then nights when his FT shooting seems bad, mixed with each other.

Until he shows some consistent results, I expect his FT shooting to be an issue.

Quoting this to suggest that one of you guys should consider changing his username. I'd never tell anyone what to do, but I think I've confused the two of you before more than once. Lots of Ts Ds and 2-digit numbers.

DingleJerry has been taken but I think RoadSoda is still available. I'm pretty sure Glenn is in charge.

I don't understand how you can confuse our usernames. They are different numbers after all

Ok that's fair enough. See you later troyd92

[TD75]

Ersan is fast becoming the new Snell. Getting a lot of minutes and not doing much.

He's slow footed and when he's not hitting shots it's hard to play him. We knew this heading in. It's why his contract is and will always be bad.

Surprisingly today, he did not play smart at all. That is not something I expected from him.

[RogerMurdock]

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[thomchatt3rton]

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Finally somebody in this thread who understands basketball!

[har13]

Because 3s are better than 2s and getting 2s will be a lot easier if he's a threat to make 3s with any consistency on top of helping him cut down on offensive fouls and turnovers by forcing defenders to come up and defend him instead of sagging off waiting for him to drive.

But he is not a threat at all, he will miss all his shots, how can you say that when D want him to shoot?

You here people call as cheerleaders of Giannis when most of us are telling you that he can't shoot, its not positive about him btw, its bad but the truth is he can't so if you like him him you must have this in mind and also that he will make turnovers, this is his game and if you expect more its not his fault.

Fine! This is not a make or break year. Let him take 5 a game and work on his form in game action and get some confidence. If he misses, he misses. Just don't stand there and hesitate and wait 5 seconds before deciding whether or not you should take it or try to drive into 3 defenders waiting to take a charge.

HAHAHAHA my friend i' m here reading you for 4 years, i follow even your baseballl and football team, i know you.... if he did that and missed all most here would calling him out about his shot selection and not only ..lol.

[Magic Giannison]

Peak =/= prime. If you don't think LeBron was in his prime even in his last couple years in Cleveland before the decision I don't think you followed his career very closely.

Nobody that watches basketball or watched Miami Lebron play will say that he was in prime with the Cavs. Got nothing to do with the peak, he was literally better basketball player with Miami, thats a fact.

2009 LeBron was inarguably better than both 2011 and 2014 Miami LeBron. And a LOT of people argue 09 as his peak or at least top 2. If you want to argue that a player wasn't in his prime when he won back to back MVPs, then LOL.

He was 25 in his last season with Miami you cant be seriously calling someone being in prime.Lebron was having statistically crazy numbers since his 2nd season, MVP got nothing to do because i explained to you that he could've won much more if it wasn't for the NBA,unless you think Lebron in his Miami years or even return to Cavs wasnt the best player in the game.


MVPS are 70% narrative then performance.


His Last year with Cavs was great no doubt but his Miami years were on a whole another level. He entered prime with Miami not Cavs.

With your logic Lebron was in prime since his 2nd year.

[har13]

But he is not a threat at all, he will miss all his shots, how can you say that when D want him to shoot?

You here people call as cheerleaders of Giannis when most of us are telling you that he can't shoot, its not positive about him btw, its bad but the truth is he can't so if you like him him you must have this in mind and also that he will make turnovers, this is his game and if you expect more its not his fault.

Fine! This is not a make or break year. Let him take 5 a game and work on his form in game action and get some confidence. If he misses, he misses. Just don't stand there and hesitate and wait 5 seconds before deciding whether or not you should take it or try to drive into 3 defenders waiting to take a charge.

HAHAHAHA my friend i' m here reading you for 4 years, i follow even your baseballl and football team, i know you.... if he did that and missed all most people would call several bad words about his shot collection lol.

[Prez]

Nobody that watches basketball or watched Miami Lebron play will say that he was in prime with the Cavs. Got nothing to do with the peak, he was literally better basketball player with Miami, thats a fact.

2009 LeBron was inarguably better than both 2011 and 2014 Miami LeBron. And a LOT of people argue 09 as his peak or at least top 2. If you want to argue that a player wasn't in his prime when he won back to back MVPs, then LOL.

He was 25 in his last season with Miami you cant be seriously calling someone being in prime.Lebron was having statistically crazy numbers since his 2nd season, MVP got nothing to do because i explained to you that he could've won much more if it wasn't for the NBA,unless you think Lebron in his Miami years or even return to Cavs wasnt the best player in the game.


MVPS are 70% narrative then performance.


His Last year with Cavs was great no doubt but his Miami years were on a whole another level. He entered prime with Miami not Cavs.

I'm gonna consider a guy to be in his prime when he has one of the 3 best seasons of his career and arguably his peak season. And he won his MVPs by playing at an all-time great level and carrying bad teams to 60+ wins, the narrative argument is just nonsense. We're just gonna have to disagree.

[Magic Giannison]

2009 LeBron was inarguably better than both 2011 and 2014 Miami LeBron. And a LOT of people argue 09 as his peak or at least top 2. If you want to argue that a player wasn't in his prime when he won back to back MVPs, then LOL.

He was 25 in his last season with Miami you cant be seriously calling someone being in prime.Lebron was having statistically crazy numbers since his 2nd season, MVP got nothing to do because i explained to you that he could've won much more if it wasn't for the NBA,unless you think Lebron in his Miami years or even return to Cavs wasnt the best player in the game.


MVPS are 70% narrative then performance.


His Last year with Cavs was great no doubt but his Miami years were on a whole another level. He entered prime with Miami not Cavs.

Yeah we're just gonna have to disagree. I'm gonna consider a guy to be in his prime when he has one of the 3 best seasons of his career and arguably his peak season.

So you dont consider his 3 years with Miami the best one i assume? If no then i guess we will never agree on this.

[Prez]

He was 25 in his last season with Miami you cant be seriously calling someone being in prime.Lebron was having statistically crazy numbers since his 2nd season, MVP got nothing to do because i explained to you that he could've won much more if it wasn't for the NBA,unless you think Lebron in his Miami years or even return to Cavs wasnt the best player in the game.


MVPS are 70% narrative then performance.


His Last year with Cavs was great no doubt but his Miami years were on a whole another level. He entered prime with Miami not Cavs.

Yeah we're just gonna have to disagree. I'm gonna consider a guy to be in his prime when he has one of the 3 best seasons of his career and arguably his peak season.

So you dont consider his 3 years with Miami the best one i assume? If no then i guess we will never agree on this.

This is what I meant when I said peak =/= prime. The term 'prime' is most often used for a general range of seasons in a player's career, not 1 single season. Their best single season is usually considered their 'peak'.

[Magic Giannison]

Yeah we're just gonna have to disagree. I'm gonna consider a guy to be in his prime when he has one of the 3 best seasons of his career and arguably his peak season.

So you dont consider his 3 years with Miami the best one i assume? If no then i guess we will never agree on this.

This is what I meant when I said peak =/= prime. The term 'prime' is most often used for a general range of seasons in a player's career, not 1 single season. Their best single season is usually considered their 'peak'.

Even in his year with Cavs i didn't consider him in prime, his game wasn't as perfect as his years with Miami and he was too young for that.
Statistically he was in prime much earlier but as a player overall he enter with Miami imo.

[har13]

But he is not a threat at all, he will miss all his shots, how can you say that when D want him to shoot?

You here people call as cheerleaders of Giannis when most of us are telling you that he can't shoot, its not positive about him btw, its bad but the truth is he can't so if you like him him you must have this in mind and also that he will make turnovers, this is his game and if you expect more its not his fault.

Fine! This is not a make or break year. Let him take 5 a game and work on his form in game action and get some confidence. If he misses, he misses. Just don't stand there and hesitate and wait 5 seconds before deciding whether or not you should take it or try to drive into 3 defenders waiting to take a charge.

HAHAHAHA my friend i' m here reading you for 4 years, i follow even your baseballl and football team, i know you.... if he did that and missed all most here would call him out about his shot collection and not only ..lol.