PG Memphis - Bucks Bent Over By Refs

[Prez]

So you dont consider his 3 years with Miami the best one i assume? If no then i guess we will never agree on this.

This is what I meant when I said peak =/= prime. The term 'prime' is most often used for a general range of seasons in a player's career, not 1 single season. Their best single season is usually considered their 'peak'.

Even in his year with Cavs i didn't consider him in prime, his game wasn't as perfect as his years with Miami and he was too young for that.
Statistically he was in prime much earlier but as a player overall he enter with Miami imo.

2 of his 4 seasons in Miami were inarguably worse than 1, possibly 2 of his Cleveland seasons (definitely 09, arguably 10 too). And many would take 09 over 12 or 13 too, though it's debatable either way.

[Magic Giannison]

This is what I meant when I said peak =/= prime. The term 'prime' is most often used for a general range of seasons in a player's career, not 1 single season. Their best single season is usually considered their 'peak'.

Even in his year with Cavs i didn't consider him in prime, his game wasn't as perfect as his years with Miami and he was too young for that.
Statistically he was in prime much earlier but as a player overall he enter with Miami imo.

2 of his 4 seasons in Miami were inarguably worse than 1, possibly 2 of his Cleveland seasons (definitely 09, arguably 10 too). And many would take 09 over 12 or 13 too, though it's debatable either way.

Yeah i dont think we will agree on this besides 2014.

[Prez]

Yeah i dont think we will agree on this besides 2014.

You think 2011 LeBron > 2009 or 2010 LeBron? If so that's just absurd.

[har13]

Fine! This is not a make or break year. Let him take 5 a game and work on his form in game action and get some confidence. If he misses, he misses. Just don't stand there and hesitate and wait 5 seconds before deciding whether or not you should take it or try to drive into 3 defenders waiting to take a charge.

HAHAHAHA my friend i' m here reading you for 4 years, i follow even your baseballl and football team, i know you.... if he did that and missed all most here would call him out about his shot collection and not only ..lol.

Sorry, my **** phone.

[yannisk]

Giannis-stans we had a good performance today but also the opposition was formidable.

I think we have to organize ourselves, we need better structure for the battles to come. I nominate MG as president and TD75 as general secretary. If they are elected they will plan the next steps

[RogerMurdock]

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Finally somebody in this thread who understands basketball!

[Magic Giannison]

2 of his 4 seasons in Miami were inarguably worse than 1, possibly 2 of his Cleveland seasons (definitely 09, arguably 10 too). And many would take 09 over 12 or 13 too, though it's debatable either way.

Yeah i dont think we will agree on this besides 2014.

You think 2011 LeBron > 2009 or 2010 LeBron? If so that's just absurd.

Statistically no but like ive said, he was better as overall player, his usage dropped due to Wade and Bosh.His defense was fantastic and that was generally impacted all the floor without burning out like he did with Cleveland. The way lebron played was more refined.

I said 2014 because while offensive he was a beast his defense didnt looked as sharp .

[Prez]

Yeah i dont think we will agree on this besides 2014.

You think 2011 LeBron > 2009 or 2010 LeBron? If so that's just absurd.

Statistically no but like ive said, he was better as overall player, his usage dropped due to Wade and Bosh.His defense was fantastic and that was generally impacted all the floor without burning out like he did with Cleveland. The way lebron played was more refined.

I said 2014 because while offensive he was a beast his defense didnt looked as sharp .

He really wasn't dude. If you put up a poll on the PC board right now, 2011 LeBron vs. 2009 LeBron, it would be completely lopsided in 2009's favor.

[TD75]

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[Magic Giannison]

You think 2011 LeBron > 2009 or 2010 LeBron? If so that's just absurd.

Statistically no but like ive said, he was better as overall player, his usage dropped due to Wade and Bosh.His defense was fantastic and that was generally impacted all the floor without burning out like he did with Cleveland. The way lebron played was more refined.

I said 2014 because while offensive he was a beast his defense didnt looked as sharp .

He really wasn't dude. If you put up a poll on the PC board right now, 2011 LeBron vs. 2009 LeBron, it would be completely lopsided in 2009's favor.

Perhaps but a lot of it was due to him carrying the cavs and all but in 2011 he felt more refined overall,maybe it didn't translated well in the first year but his jumpshot looked better and the way he played looked better. This was the year for me that Lebron became THAT guy.

Statistically 2009 was only behind 20013 even that was close.

[thomchatt3rton]

I think we were 4-23 from 3 at half?

Finished 9-35. So, 5-12 in the second half and took 11fewer 3s.

Don't stop shooting just because you're missing.

[BroncoBuck]

Hopefully the most frustrating game of the year. Texted a buddy during the first half that if the game kept going the way it was that Budz would get tossed…didn’t imagine it happening for something like that.

That holding call on the inbounds in that situation is so ridiculous, I can’t imagine what the other refs were saying in that huddle afterwards. Agree with Marques you can call that early to set a precedent, but no chance in that situation. Christ, you might as well start calling lane violations on free throws while you’re at it. The replay after the Bucks failed inbounds pass at the end really showed how absurd that call was. Middleton is getting rugged on by 3 different guys.

[ibanezjp]

Loss stings a little more knowing Toronto and Philly both lost. I know it’s early but man I want us to get that 1 seed. A lot of little things you can point to but I’m going with 9/35 cost us. Could simply say we died by the 3 tonight. All of the other arguments valid. A lot of things you can point to as the reason for a 3 point loss.
Also between Bled and Giannis (I know he was great tonight) I’m really worried about them shooting FT in high pressure in the playoffs.

[JustinCredible]

Eh...everything is still fine.
I’m sure everyone is overreacting but these losses happen.

Giannis is still the best player in the league.
Project Pat is a legit difference maker.
Thon gave us energy and showed a flash of hope.

We are fine and will win at least 4 of the next 5.

[BroncoBuck]

I think we were 4-23 from 3 at half?

Finished 9-35. So, 5-12 in the second half and took 11fewer 3s.

Don't stop shooting just because you're missing.

I believe Middleton was fouled shooting 3’s twice in the second half as well.

[Magic Giannison]

PAT was definitely the best thing i this game, the guy looks like a steal.

[ibanezjp]

Eh...everything is still fine.
I’m sure everyone is overreacting but these losses happen.

Giannis is still the best player in the league.
Project Pat is a legit difference maker.
Thon gave us energy and showed a flash of hope.

We are fine and will win at least 4 of the next 5.

I agree. I think we all are just expecting this team to win almost every game and are shocked when they don’t. There will be games like this that you aren’t expected to lose and you do. They still sting when they happen but even the best teams lose to some bad teams, and the Grizz aren’t even a bad team. Probably what’s 2nd most infuriating behind the ref was that Memphis could play that slow ugly slog of Scott Skiles brand of basketball and beat a high powered team like us. It just shouldn’t happen but it does sometimes. Sucks but that’s just the NBA. As long as we get back on track against the Bulls we’ll be fine.

[chonestown]

If one of those three pointers that rimmed out by Giannis goes in, you gotta give an extra three points to the Bucks imo. In a tightly contested game ultimately decided by a scant number of points - the exact number I haven't had a chance to ascertain as of this moment - one miss can be the difference between winning the game or tying the game or losing the game. I'm going to tip my hat to the Gritties and their able coach, Bertie Scratch n' Sniff. Excelsior.

[emunney]

Needed more Thon, not kidding.

[old skool]

Complaining about the refs is so lame.

(Arguing about the appropriateness of criticism of Giannis is equally lame)

The Bucks scuffled offensively in the first half when they attempted 23 3FGA and only 18 2FGA, scoring 45 points total. In the second half they attempted only 12 3FGA and 28 2FGA, scoring 68 points total. I am all in on the layup or 3-point offense. This was the first game this year where the Bucks abandoned their 3-point centric offense - and it worked! They shot 22-28 on 2FGA in the second half (almost 79%). The problem was their inability to stop Memphis. In the second half Memphis shot 65% on 2FGA and 53% 3FGA.

Antetokounmpo did not have a good first quarter, when he was held to zero field goals. He was better in the second quarter, and went into halftime with 4 field goals and 4 turnovers. His early foul trouble limited him in minutes and aggressiveness in the first half. His shooting woes continued, going 0-3 away from the rim (and 10-11 at the rim). He was great from the FT line, 11-12.

Budenholzer inserted Maker when things looked grim toward the end of the 3rd quarter. Maker provided a spark, but much of what he accomplished took place with Gasol on the bench. When Gasol returned, things started to fall apart a bit. It was not a surprise when Maker was pulled.

The Bucks really struggled when Brogdon, DiVincenzo, Ilyasova and Henson were on the floor. Brogdon was -30. Ouch.

Bottom line: Memphis was the better team. Hopefully the Bucks learn from this loss.