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Eh, it’s not really in trouble at all. They’ll squash beef and it’ll all blow over in a couple days. Then, barring injury, they’ll win it all again and he’ll resign. nobody is leaving more money and the best team in the last 20 years (maybe ever) that has a chance to win 2-3 more titles and has a brand new arena in an area he likes so they can go play with Rondae Hollis Jefferson and Chris Levert or Kristaps Porzingus and the most dysfunctional organization in the NBA. Get a grip.
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Bayside wrote:The organization is in trouble. The guy is a wee bit nuts, and placating to him will just make it worse. Dealing with wierdos is hard to do.
Both Dray and KD are weirdos. Dray is an extrovert & KD is an introvert. But both have overcome their weirdness to achieve at the highest level of their potential. Both have let their social dysfunctions interfere with their career to some degree. They are immature and difficult personalities. That they are clashing is not surprising.
Fortunately, Curry & Klay are extremely stabilizing forces. There really couldn't be a better, more supportive environment for guys like Dray and KD to learn to work with people with whom they disagree or conflict. This organization can afford to deal with "some" weirdos. The question of whether Dray and KD can co-exist as co-weirdos is up to them.
Both need to drink a strong cup of STFU and learn to man up by backing down from selfish stupidity.
Jester_ wrote:Can we trade Draymond Green for Grayson Allen?
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michaelm wrote:Ontario wrote:cpower wrote:Shawn Marion never had the impact Green had on court. His bbIQ is one of the best in this era. His defensive impact is one of the best in this era and it shows up in the advance stat.
He can switch onto guard, forwards and center's that's genuinely handy I'll give you that but it is hardly so unique he gets a Michael Jordan sized free pass to be a jack ass. Put Robert Covington or Otto Porter in his place and the problem is solved, currently the strength of his game is not enough to hold up the size of his ego.
Green replacing an injured David Lee and proceeding to do the point forward thing was fairly important in GSW’s development, which Covington whom I like as a player certainly doesn't do. Green also managed 30 odd points when all others faltered in the deciding game in the 2016 finals despite his limitations as a shooter/scorer.
With Durant they can win without much offensive contribution from Green as they did last season, although not all that handily in the WCF series obviously. Green was carrying an injury as well.
Pretty silly for a grown man to be calling other grown men bitches imo however, and it didn’t end well for GSW last time he so addressed a top 5, or top 1 as the case may be, player.
Let's be real here, you replace oft-injured, soft, no defense playing David Lee with any decent all-star calibre player, and it'll hugely improve your team. This is coming from a guy who likes Draymond Green's game and thinks KD is was soft for joining GSW.
David Lee at that point was a very poor man's Kevin Love. Let's not forget, he was a bench player and out of the league soon after. Really, you replace any player like that with a younger All-star and you'll get significantly better. Like a prior poster said, if you replaced Lee on that team with 2003-2007 Marion, you'd still improve significantly.
Also, aside from the point but youngin's here forget how good Marion was. He played in an era where he was guarding shooting guards and small forwards like Kobe, Vince, McGrady, Pierce, Jefferson, Richardson, Glenn Robinson, Sprewell, Peja, Jordan, Ray Allen, and Mashburn. To a new era guarding LeBron, Joe Johnson, Durant, Dirk, Granger, Brandon Roy, and Carmelo.
Marion was an iron man, a physical freak but one who bridged two generational gaps (you can see how hard that is to do with Melo struggling and AI retiring between his eras). For a guy who's game was based a lot on athleticism when he first entered the league and was a key player on the Jason Kidd era Suns, to being a perennial all-star power forward on the Nash era Suns, to being a role player on the Championship Mavericks a decade after the Kidd/Penny Suns, he's always been a good player on good teams.
People forget how good Marion was because they focuses a lot on his limitations compared to more traditional SFs like Pierce and T-Mac during his era. Go listen to the Bill Simmons podcast where Steve Nash is on and he talks about Marion. I watched him play for a long time, the guy was way better than most casual fans give him credit for.
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KevinMcreynolds wrote:Eh, it’s not really in trouble at all. They’ll squash beef and it’ll all blow over in a couple days. Then, barring injury, they’ll win it all again and he’ll resign.
If that happens, the meltdown on the GB will be epic!
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Concerned_Fan wrote:Coxy wrote:Concerned_Fan wrote:
Let's do a player comparison in current and historical context. I think you'd see that Klay is harder to replace. Both currently and in a historical context (since GSW is a historically great team with historically great players).
If you replaced Draymond with Anthony Davis or Giannis, you'd have a guy who could grab 10 rebounds, be capable of dishing out 10 or more assists with KD/Curry/Klay on the team, and get up the court even faster than Draymond. Giannis would be other wordly in Draymond's position on this team, it'd be nuts. If it was Giannis that grabbed that rebound, he probably would have dunked it and KD wouldn't have said anything.
In historical context , you could also replace Draymond with other max contract bigs like Tim Duncan, C-Webb, or Kevin Garnett and be just as good or better. Timmy doesn't have the ability to dribble out, handle and run the offense, but Mr. Fundamental's has never really wanted to (he doesn't really want to shoot 3s either, but he's shown fans he can take and make them when he wants). KG can do everything Draymond does to a ridiculous level. C-Webb was one of the first of a generation to be able to grab a board, run down the floor, handle. Him and Shawn Kemp ushered in the era of athletic, skilled, super talented 6'10 power forwards.
Klay's harder to replace. You'd need a historically great 3 point shooter, who has no ego, and is also willing to play tough defense while sacrificing shots. Currently, there's really no one like him. CJ McCollum doesn't play defense. James Harden needs the ball. Bradley Beal is injury prone and also doesn't play defense to Klay's level, and is having ego issues with Wall.
Historically, Ray Allen comes the closest, but he doesn't play that level of defense and had an ego clash with Rondo - wouldn't last as long as Klay did in the same situation. Green would have rubbed him the wrong way. Reggie Miller fits the mold, but doesn't D-up like Klay. Rip Hamilton isn't the quality of shooter. It'd have to be someone like Manu, who's an all-star calibre player, highly skilled, but willing to be overlooked and underrated for Championships. Maybe Mike Finley or Eddie Jones, who was nowhere near as explosive as Klay offensively.
Draymond is VITAL to unleashing the very best of what Curry and Klay are. His defensive exploits are severely underrated to people that don't watch him day in and day out, and it's in the defence, quarterbacking, personality and that uncanny ability to unleash the very best in our shooters that continues to be ignored. All of those players you mention, like the Duncan's, C-Webb's or Garnett's, don't posses the anywhere near the combination of what Draymond is to this team. They are all significantly better, but they are all 1 options on a team looking for points. Duncan who is the best of them all, couldn't run a break like Draymond, nor could he step out and guard smaller quicker guys to the 3 point line.
Klay and Green are both equally important for the Warriors, however if I had to choose, i have to keep Draymond, as he just is the ultimate glue guy to unlocking winning basketball in the modern era.
Garnett relished being the team guy, setting picks, and setting teammates up. He can do all that and more. Giannis can do all that too (Giannis is this era's Garnett. Klay is far more unique in his abilities and hard to replace.
Do you realize you are throwing out names of Hall of Famer and guys who may make the Hall of Fame.
Proving my point that Draymond is more than a role player.
And now, try and get a deal done using Draymond to bring in one of those guys you listed.....I'll wait.
And no one around here is knocking Klay. We as Warrior fans understand what Klay does, and what he means to this team.
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Ontario wrote:cpower wrote:Ontario wrote:Draymond is and always has been a poor man's Shawn Marion. In Golden State he is a poor man's version of the Phoenix Suns Shawn Marion and when he leaves the Warriors one day he will be exposed as being a poor man's Dallas Mavericks version of Shawn Marion.
Shawn Marion never had the impact Green had on court. His bbIQ is one of the best in this era. His defensive impact is one of the best in this era and it shows up in the advance stat.
He can switch onto guard, forwards and center's that's genuinely handy I'll give you that but it is hardly so unique he gets a Michael Jordan sized free pass to be a jack ass. Put Robert Covington or Otto Porter in his place and the problem is solved, currently the strength of his game is not enough to hold up the size of his ego.
I love Shawn Marion...great glue guy. But Marion never ran an offense and he was never amonst the league leader in assists....NEXT!
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Impuniti wrote:Dray thinking of going to players associations to get his cash. Fining him 120K was incredibly stupid.
I don't know....Kerr understands the life of a player and I'm sure the Warriors wouldn't care if the players association rescinded it. Because it was more about the point, than the money for the Warriors.
They let him know you can't air team dirty laundry publically. That's the line that was crossed. Calling Durant a biotch had nothing to do with it. It was the fact that Draond did it so publically. PERCEPTION.
So Dray probably said I'm appealing the suspension.....Kerr and Myers probably responded with, of course, that's your right.
If the players association falls on Drays side so be it. The point was made.
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Draymond Green - he needs to take the chill pill and act professional...
Kevin Durant - no need to get mad at Green for trying to make a play and losing the ball. Even if he passed the ball, there was no guarantee Durant would have made a half-court shot. It shows that KD wants to win!
If I have to pick a player for the future, I'll take Kevin Durant. Without the help of KD, we wouldn't have won the last 2 championship. KD matters! The reason why Green has the highest assist on our team because he's surrounded by play makers who makes shots. Green needs to understand that it wasn't just him, Curry, and Klay that won the championship....without the others, we wouldn't be holding 3 rings in 4 years.
Kevin Durant - no need to get mad at Green for trying to make a play and losing the ball. Even if he passed the ball, there was no guarantee Durant would have made a half-court shot. It shows that KD wants to win!
If I have to pick a player for the future, I'll take Kevin Durant. Without the help of KD, we wouldn't have won the last 2 championship. KD matters! The reason why Green has the highest assist on our team because he's surrounded by play makers who makes shots. Green needs to understand that it wasn't just him, Curry, and Klay that won the championship....without the others, we wouldn't be holding 3 rings in 4 years.
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Now the narrative is this confirms KD is staying in GS.
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Mylie10 wrote:Ontario wrote:cpower wrote:Shawn Marion never had the impact Green had on court. His bbIQ is one of the best in this era. His defensive impact is one of the best in this era and it shows up in the advance stat.
He can switch onto guard, forwards and center's that's genuinely handy I'll give you that but it is hardly so unique he gets a Michael Jordan sized free pass to be a jack ass. Put Robert Covington or Otto Porter in his place and the problem is solved, currently the strength of his game is not enough to hold up the size of his ego.
I love Shawn Marion...great glue guy. But Marion never ran an offense and he was never amonst the league leader in assists....NEXT!
I positive if you put Marion on the Warriors and asked him to get 7 assist a game surround by the greatest shooting teammates ever assembled he would have zero trouble doing it.
The point is people re acting like a great complimentary piece like Green is harder to come across then the current best player in the world... one of those two things is more rare then the other. Bring in Marc Gasol, he can take over Green's point forward duties and Kevin can cover Green's defensive responsibilities. Gasol would add the hard screens and mid-range game that have been missing since Bogut left, and you would probably bring back a couple of draft picks too.
Draymond is great, but he is a far cry from how great he believes he is.
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I know I'm probably in the minority, but I'm cool with that from Dray.
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My hope is all these players get more rings than Lebon James 
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I’m cool with the lack of a real apology. I don’t love the “whatever Kevin decide to do . . . we had great years together.”
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shza wrote:I’m cool with the lack of a real apology. I don’t love the “whatever Kevin decide to do . . . we had great years together.”
This was clearly something that was building towards, it just exploded early this year. Either way, this bust up doesn't mean that KD is definitely gone, but my feeling is 1 of those 2 will be next summer. Doesn't necessarily mean it's KD. That interview implies that 1 of them definitely isn't there next season. It sounds about business of getting ring number 4.
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I doubt Warriors is going to give Draymond Green max contract....I would say Green is going to leave....
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SO again he says he will do what he will do. This will not end well. No remorse or apathy. Great player, but another personality disorder on display that people more often than not, seem to celebrate and promote.
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LeonGenesis wrote:I doubt Warriors is going to give Draymond Green max contract....I would say Green is going to leave....
Zach Lowe said Draymond may not be able to command a max salary, full 5 years, on the market.
But he might be able to get a 3 year deal at max money with a team option or a 5-year deal without max salaries.
The thing for him is that in the summer of 2020, he will be 31 so it's a tough ask to give him a 5 year deal.
KD would be around 31 in July 2019 as well, but the Warriors and many other teams will give him a 5-year deal.
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