Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[MoMM]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

[IllMagic04]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

Your not wrong. My question would be whats your plan? Where can we go with Vuc as our best player? 8 seed? Maybe. Unlikley though. Certainly no further. Meanwhile he makes us too good to get a elite prospect in the draft. If Vuc was heathly last year we wouldnt have been picking 6th. If we trade Vuc and Evan we can become bad enough to be in the bottom 5. Meanwhile we develop Bamba and get another 1st by trading Vuc. I understand its not ideal short term but at least its a plan.

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[drsd]

Do you know another player who had a lot of ankle issues in their early career? It even affected him from landing a bigger (second) contract.

Stephen Curry.

How did he turn out though?

Since last night, Jonathan Isaac is now wearing the same model of ankle braces that Steph Curry used to become healthy and highly productive.

Zydrunas Ilgauskas is another example. All he did was log 20000 minutes in ~700 games played after his ankle finally healed.

..

[j-ragg]

actually i agree that we should trade him.
but if we somehow have a good season this is what you should expect: we're getting offers for vuc, but since this is our first good season in 7 years weltman's too chicken to trade him at the deadline. at the end of the season vuc's value is an all time high cause he won us something this time, so weltman's too chicken to afford him. he walks. it's always sunny in orlando.

Yeah it’d be the smart thing to do long term, but I don’t expect it to happen especially after nights like last night. But like Gordon’s start last year, I think some of these numbers will revert back to the mean.

dont think he is doing anything that he can't sustain right now, his 3 ball might drop few percentage points maybe, but not that much. he's not taking and making hard shots, his forte was always about positioning and awareness. at the end of the day, these nights only mean something if you're gonna keep him. I don't know, maybe front office really values inspiring of hope of relevancy that much, compared to a pick or two that they can get for him. and him walking away at the end doesn't detract from that goal?

that's the only explanation i can come up with what these guys are trying to do. and i have to say i'm at my wits end trying to understand the vision that ties their moves together.

Sorry I know I did a crap job of saying it in my post but I meant Vuc’s play not AG’s. The 45% from 3 is a bit of an outlier. But not discrediting him, he’s played very well.

[fklt]

Sorry I know I did a crap job of saying it in my post but I meant Vuc’s play not AG’s. The 45% from 3 is a bit of an outlier. But not discrediting him, he’s played very well.

yeah, i know you're talking about vuc's play. i was as well. but yea, guess primethyme got it the other way around. hah, i even got a +1 out of it

[JF5]

Gordon last year: 38.4% of his shots from inside 10 feet

Gordon this year: 44.6% of his shots from inside 10 feet

We're putting him into a position to succeed thank goodness. He's playing up to the type of player I thought he'd be with the way he's been playing (ala Josh Smith/Kenyon Martin/Draymond Green type player).

I've Criticized AG for trying to turn into somebody he was not (Ball dominate star scorer). But it seems like he's finally realized where his true potential is at..

[MoMM]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

Your not wrong. My question would be whats your plan? Where can we go with Vuc as our best player? 8 seed? Maybe. Unlikley though. Certainly no further. Meanwhile he makes us too good to get a elite prospect in the draft. If Vuc was heathly last year we wouldnt have been picking 6th. If we trade Vuc and Evan we can become bad enough to be in the bottom 5. Meanwhile we develop Bamba and get another 1st by trading Vuc. I understand its not ideal short term but at least its a plan.

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Season ticket holders want competitive teams, they won't keep buying tickets forever when every season is a tank season. I can see Vuc as part of a winning team, it's true that we need star players along with, but we can get 1st round picks by trading Fournier/Ross/Aaron and making the team worse this way.

[bargnanimvp]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

It's not just will you draft someone better though, it's what will vuc be asking for $$$ wise this offseason? will he ever give up his role if bamba comes a long? where will the team max out with vuc if we pay him and will he be a moveable asset?

[Skin]

People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

Your not wrong. My question would be whats your plan? Where can we go with Vuc as our best player? 8 seed? Maybe. Unlikley though. Certainly no further. Meanwhile he makes us too good to get a elite prospect in the draft. If Vuc was heathly last year we wouldnt have been picking 6th. If we trade Vuc and Evan we can become bad enough to be in the bottom 5. Meanwhile we develop Bamba and get another 1st by trading Vuc. I understand its not ideal short term but at least its a plan.

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Season ticket holders want competitive teams, they won't keep buying tickets forever when every season is a tank season. I can see Vuc as part of a winning team, it's true that we need star players along with, but we can get 1st round picks by trading Fournier/Ross/Aaron and making the team worse this way.

Wait what? We can win with Vuc, but first we have to trade Fournier, Ross and Aaron for 1st round picks and suck for several more years?

[Skin]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

We already drafted his replacement in Bamba.

We'd be lucky to get a 1st for Vuc and continue with our young rebuild. But NOBODY is or will offer that because they can just sign him in the summer without having to give up a 1st. No playoff team will give us a late 1st for Vuc because no playoff team wants a ball dominant Center who doesn't play D.

It's easy to see how a ball dominant Melo destroys teams, but we have our own version of that in Vuc and yet people are still blinded because of his offensive numbers.

[bargnanimvp]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

We already drafted his replacement in Bamba.

We'd be lucky to get a 1st for Vuc and continue with our young rebuild. But NOBODY is or will offer that because they can just sign him in the summer without having to give up a 1st. No playoff team will give us a late 1st for Vuc because no playoff team wants a ball dominant Center who doesn't play D.

It's easy to see how a ball dominant Melo destroys teams, but we have our own version of that in Vuc and yet people are still blinded because of his offensive numbers.

clearly we should trade bamba too so we can tank and put pieces around vucevic

[MagicStarwipe]

Keep Vuc and trade AG? That's a weird idea.

[YosemiteSam]

On The Ringer’s NBA podcast called Group Chat they actually talk Magic for like 6 minutes. Nice to hear us on a national forum

https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/15/18097506/group-chat-relationship-counseling-warriors-edition

[tiderulz]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

we already did. his name is Bamba.

[MoMM]

Your not wrong. My question would be whats your plan? Where can we go with Vuc as our best player? 8 seed? Maybe. Unlikley though. Certainly no further. Meanwhile he makes us too good to get a elite prospect in the draft. If Vuc was heathly last year we wouldnt have been picking 6th. If we trade Vuc and Evan we can become bad enough to be in the bottom 5. Meanwhile we develop Bamba and get another 1st by trading Vuc. I understand its not ideal short term but at least its a plan.

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Season ticket holders want competitive teams, they won't keep buying tickets forever when every season is a tank season. I can see Vuc as part of a winning team, it's true that we need star players along with, but we can get 1st round picks by trading Fournier/Ross/Aaron and making the team worse this way.

Wait what? We can win with Vuc, but first we have to trade Fournier, Ross and Aaron for 1st round picks and suck for several more years?

If we trade them we can get a high 1st (Orlando's pick) + late 1st round pick for them, it's only a one-year step.

[MoMM]

I don't think we are trading Vuc now. Dude is balling and Bamba is just not ready. As dumb as it is we are gonna try to win now. All we can hope for is some lottery luck or we get a star late in the draft. I think Vuc will get resigned too

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People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

We'd be lucky to get a 1st for Vuc and continue with our young rebuild. But NOBODY is or will offer that because they can just sign him in the summer without having to give up a 1st. No playoff team will give us a late 1st for Vuc because no playoff team wants a ball dominant Center who doesn't play D.

That's why we need to re-sign him and this way increase his value. Bamba is not ready to be a starter at this point.

[OrlChamps2030]

People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

We'd be lucky to get a 1st for Vuc and continue with our young rebuild. But NOBODY is or will offer that because they can just sign him in the summer without having to give up a 1st. No playoff team will give us a late 1st for Vuc because no playoff team wants a ball dominant Center who doesn't play D.

That's why we need to re-sign him and this way increase his value. Bamba is not ready to be a starter at this point.

Imagine resigning him only to be stuck with him for another 3-4 years. Oh well atleast the fans in Seattle will get to watch someone score the ball

[SOUL]

We can appreciate Vuc's improvement this season and also recognize that we probably need to go in a different direction, especially with Bamba waiting in the wings (even if he's not a better player right now).

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

We can appreciate Vuc's improvement this season and also recognize that we probably need to go in a different direction, especially with Bamba waiting in the wings (even if he's not a better player right now).

WeHam didn't draft Bamba at #6 to sit behind Vuc on the depth chart. If they believed in building around Vuc, I think WeHam would have been aggressive in moving up in the draft to get Doncic or Trae.

Bamba and Isaac are the future.
I believe Vuc gets traded at the deadline and by then Bamba will have had enough games under his belt to take the reigns.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

People want to trade him for a 1st round pick, hey guys, what are the chances of drafting someone better than Vuc at this point? Pretty low, we shouldn't trade him, period.

We'd be lucky to get a 1st for Vuc and continue with our young rebuild. But NOBODY is or will offer that because they can just sign him in the summer without having to give up a 1st. No playoff team will give us a late 1st for Vuc because no playoff team wants a ball dominant Center who doesn't play D.

That's why we need to re-sign him and this way increase his value. Bamba is not ready to be a starter at this point.

How does resigning Vuc increase his value?

Agree that Bamba isn't ready to be starter. But soon we have to give the reigns of the starting spot to him. As I said before, you don't draft him at #6 to ride the bench for the next couple of years.