Sure sounds like KD is leaving

[Coxy]

The question of whether Dray and KD can co-exist as co-weirdos is up to them.

[Coxy]

Draymond Green - he needs to take the chill pill and act professional...
Kevin Durant - no need to get mad at Green for trying to make a play and losing the ball. Even if he passed the ball, there was no guarantee Durant would have made a half-court shot. It shows that KD wants to win!

If I have to pick a player for the future, I'll take Kevin Durant. Without the help of KD, we wouldn't have won the last 2 championship. KD matters! The reason why Green has the highest assist on our team because he's surrounded by play makers who makes shots. Green needs to understand that it wasn't just him, Curry, and Klay that won the championship....without the others, we wouldn't be holding 3 rings in 4 years.

I'm of the opinion, that if we let Barnes walk, and still moved Bogut's contract (and others as well), to create 20 mil in cap space that summer, and we had signed Nic Batum, we would still be the favourites and likely win titles. We could have even signed a guy like Al Horford, or a few years younger Pau Gasol, or used the money to sign 2 x solid guys.

Simply saying, without Durant we don't win, is ridiculous, because he simply isn't removed from the lineup, his service would be replaced by others.

[xdrta+]

Draymond Green - he needs to take the chill pill and act professional...
Kevin Durant - no need to get mad at Green for trying to make a play and losing the ball. Even if he passed the ball, there was no guarantee Durant would have made a half-court shot. It shows that KD wants to win!

If I have to pick a player for the future, I'll take Kevin Durant. Without the help of KD, we wouldn't have won the last 2 championship. KD matters! The reason why Green has the highest assist on our team because he's surrounded by play makers who makes shots. Green needs to understand that it wasn't just him, Curry, and Klay that won the championship....without the others, we wouldn't be holding 3 rings in 4 years.

I'm of the opinion, that if we let Barnes walk, and still moved Bogut's contract (and others as well), to create 20 mil in cap space that summer, and we had signed Nic Batum, we would still be the favourites and likely win titles. We could have even signed a guy like Al Horford, or a few years younger Pau Gasol, or used the money to sign 2 x solid guys.

Simply saying, without Durant we don't win, is ridiculous, because he simply isn't removed from the lineup, his service would be replaced by others.

Going back, that may all be true. Going forward is a different story. If he leaves now he'll be replaced by minimum salary players.

[Coxy]

Draymond Green - he needs to take the chill pill and act professional...
Kevin Durant - no need to get mad at Green for trying to make a play and losing the ball. Even if he passed the ball, there was no guarantee Durant would have made a half-court shot. It shows that KD wants to win!

If I have to pick a player for the future, I'll take Kevin Durant. Without the help of KD, we wouldn't have won the last 2 championship. KD matters! The reason why Green has the highest assist on our team because he's surrounded by play makers who makes shots. Green needs to understand that it wasn't just him, Curry, and Klay that won the championship....without the others, we wouldn't be holding 3 rings in 4 years.

I'm of the opinion, that if we let Barnes walk, and still moved Bogut's contract (and others as well), to create 20 mil in cap space that summer, and we had signed Nic Batum, we would still be the favourites and likely win titles. We could have even signed a guy like Al Horford, or a few years younger Pau Gasol, or used the money to sign 2 x solid guys.

Simply saying, without Durant we don't win, is ridiculous, because he simply isn't removed from the lineup, his service would be replaced by others.

Going back, that may all be true. Going forward is a different story. If he leaves now he'll be replaced by minimum salary players.

Yes indeed, Durant leaving complicates everything for us.

[Sleepy51]

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That's about as moch movement as we have a right to expect from Dray. Maybe he realized that something he values more than his pride is at stake here. That was more self aware and mature than I certainly expected.

Your move KD:clap:

[Quazza]

kissed, made up, now lets go crush the Rockets ey?

[michaelm]

He can switch onto guard, forwards and center's that's genuinely handy I'll give you that but it is hardly so unique he gets a Michael Jordan sized free pass to be a jack ass. Put Robert Covington or Otto Porter in his place and the problem is solved, currently the strength of his game is not enough to hold up the size of his ego.

Green replacing an injured David Lee and proceeding to do the point forward thing was fairly important in GSW’s development, which Covington whom I like as a player certainly doesn't do. Green also managed 30 odd points when all others faltered in the deciding game in the 2016 finals despite his limitations as a shooter/scorer.

With Durant they can win without much offensive contribution from Green as they did last season, although not all that handily in the WCF series obviously. Green was carrying an injury as well.

Pretty silly for a grown man to be calling other grown men bitches imo however, and it didn’t end well for GSW last time he so addressed a top 5, or top 1 as the case may be, player.

Let's be real here, you replace oft-injured, soft, no defense playing David Lee with any decent all-star calibre player, and it'll hugely improve your team. This is coming from a guy who likes Draymond Green's game and thinks KD is was soft for joining GSW.

David Lee at that point was a very poor man's Kevin Love. Let's not forget, he was a bench player and out of the league soon after. Really, you replace any player like that with a younger All-star and you'll get significantly better. Like a prior poster said, if you replaced Lee on that team with 2003-2007 Marion, you'd still improve significantly.

Also, aside from the point but youngin's here forget how good Marion was. He played in an era where he was guarding shooting guards and small forwards like Kobe, Vince, McGrady, Pierce, Jefferson, Richardson, Glenn Robinson, Sprewell, Peja, Jordan, Ray Allen, and Mashburn. To a new era guarding LeBron, Joe Johnson, Durant, Dirk, Granger, Brandon Roy, and Carmelo.

Marion was an iron man, a physical freak but one who bridged two generational gaps (you can see how hard that is to do with Melo struggling and AI retiring between his eras). For a guy who's game was based a lot on athleticism when he first entered the league and was a key player on the Jason Kidd era Suns, to being a perennial all-star power forward on the Nash era Suns, to being a role player on the Championship Mavericks a decade after the Kidd/Penny Suns, he's always been a good player on good teams.

People forget how good Marion was because they focuses a lot on his limitations compared to more traditional SFs like Pierce and T-Mac during his era. Go listen to the Bill Simmons podcast where Steve Nash is on and he talks about Marion. I watched him play for a long time, the guy was way better than most casual fans give him credit for.

I made no point about Shawn Marion, I addressed a poster who contended Robert Covington could replace Green; that poster ignored Green's playmaking as it seems are you.

Sure David Lee at that stage in his career didn't defend and was often injured, and obviously a further injury was why Green initially became a starter. Lee wasn't ever the playmaker Green is however, and Green's point forward play is both unusual in his position and changed GSW's whole offense, with Curry playing more off ball for a start. Sure Kerr as opposed to Jackson was going to have an actual offense in any case, Curry had a full pre-season and was entirely healthy, Thompson had a year more development etc, but I don't think just any PF, particularly a PF who was also a highly elite defender, could have filled Green's role offensively. If you want to talk hall of fame and all time greats, teams and players, Rodman was a better rebounder (obviously) and I guess a better defender, but not a playmaker.

[michaelm]

He can switch onto guard, forwards and center's that's genuinely handy I'll give you that but it is hardly so unique he gets a Michael Jordan sized free pass to be a jack ass. Put Robert Covington or Otto Porter in his place and the problem is solved, currently the strength of his game is not enough to hold up the size of his ego.

I love Shawn Marion...great glue guy. But Marion never ran an offense and he was never amonst the league leader in assists....NEXT!

I positive if you put Marion on the Warriors and asked him to get 7 assist a game surround by the greatest shooting teammates ever assembled he would have zero trouble doing it.

The point is people re acting like a great complimentary piece like Green is harder to come across then the current best player in the world... one of those two things is more rare then the other. Bring in Marc Gasol, he can take over Green's point forward duties and Kevin can cover Green's defensive responsibilities. Gasol would add the hard screens and mid-range game that have been missing since Bogut left, and you would probably bring back a couple of draft picks too.

Draymond is great, but he is a far cry from how great he believes he is.

I think much of that is true, apart from the hypothetical about Marion being fairly irrelevant. Green is a franchise glue guy, Durant is a franchise player.

Green is a winner however, and a guy who certainly didn't lose GSW game 7 of the finals series they lost, going 32/15/9, so he has delivered in the clutch, and has been rather more important to the team than the likes of Zaza and Jones as he apparently said.

[Sleepy51]

Green is actually getting underrated in this thread. He is a generational defensive talent. It doesn’t show up in steals or blocks because our defensive counting stats are antiquated and largely useless.

They same way Jim Barnett talks about the “gravity” Curry exerts on the offensive end, drawing attention from every defender on the floor, Green exerts a disruptive force on the defensive end forcing opposing offenses largely to account for his presence and limit their movements into his area. Mostly it’s been 7 foot shotblockers who have disrupted the floor that way (and only in the paint) but Dray does it from any defensive spot on the floor. He also has made more crunch time “game winning” defensive plays than anyone I can ever remember in multiple generations of basketball.

He is a special player, just not the kind of one we’re used to looking at. He’s a “franchise” defender in a sport where defense is both more rare and somehow at the same time less valued than offense.

We need them both to stay. But if either leaves we’ll also be just fine. Because we’re the mother $))&& basketball Yankees and the haters can suck on our balls.

[likashing]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25285375/kevin-durant-nba-most-powerful-person

a legion of Silicon Valley execs lining up to give him first looks at Series A funding.

This is an underrated point. There are so many people in this world who have millions and millions to invest. KD, Steph, Andre, and Draymond's money is not more valuable than other investors. Their edge is their brand. How about for opportunities that do not need a NBA player's brand? Let's face it. The execs are just throwing these players a bone.

However, do you see Silicon Valley execs give the inside track to CP3, Blake, Hayward, PG13 etc like they give to Andre/Steph? Nope. The execs give them the inside track for opportunities because they are Warriors and local.

[Concerned_Fan]

He also has made more crunch time “game winning” defensive plays than anyone I can ever remember in multiple generations of basketball.

Tim Duncan and his 2 decade playoff run as the franchise player and elite defender says hi.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/farewell-to-tim-duncan-the-greatest-two-way-player-in-modern-nba-history/

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2 decades bro. But yeah, definitely, Green and his um...3 years...is better. Definitely more "game winning" in multiple generations. Not like Duncan has 5 Championships, spanned over a decade on All-Defensive teams, and won multiple MVPs. I guess because Timmy never called Manu a bitch, never tells the media he's a great defender or that he's the best Defender, he's not anything close to the defender Draymond is. And KG? Naww not near as good as Draymond, it's not like he's spent over a decade as an All-NBA Defender or defend 5 positions as a 7 footer.

[Sleepy51]

Dear Concerned Fan,

I didn’t watch 82 games a year of Tim Duncan, so I haven’t seen every game winning defensive stop Timmy made. There’s certainly Some familiarity bias in my data set. Guilty. I was really talking specifically about plays where Dray forces not just the stop, but a game winning turnover when we needed possession. If Tim was doing that more than a handful of times a year then fine, I’m wrong. I excluded 7 foot rim protectors because of course the great big men defenders stop people at the rim on decisive plays all the time. I was really focusing on the plays Dray has made on the perimeter with amazing regulatory.

I love Tim. He’s one of my all time favorites and irrespective of the game winning stops, there’s no comparison to Draymond.

But specifically as a non-traditional rim protector defender, Draymond does things on a regular basis that I have never seen another defender do on as regular a basis.

Oh, and go sh#t in your hand mmmkay bro?

[Concerned_Fan]

Dear Concerned Fan,

I didn’t want 82 games a year of Tim Duncan

Oh, I do.

[Mylie10]

He also has made more crunch time “game winning” defensive plays than anyone I can ever remember in multiple generations of basketball.

Tim Duncan and his 2 decade playoff run as the franchise player and elite defender says hi.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/farewell-to-tim-duncan-the-greatest-two-way-player-in-modern-nba-history/

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2 decades bro. But yeah, definitely, Green and his um...3 years...is better. Definitely more "game winning" in multiple generations. Not like Duncan has 5 Championships, spanned over a decade on All-Defensive teams, and won multiple MVPs. I guess because Timmy never called Manu a bitch, never tells the media he's a great defender or that he's the best Defender, he's not anything close to the defender Draymond is. And KG? Naww not near as good as Draymond, it's not like he's spent over a decade as an All-NBA Defender or defend 5 positions as a 7 footer.

You just used one of the greatest players of All Time in Tim Duncan. By that alone you just elevated Draymond into a very special category.

Draymond Greens winning percentage is incredible since he began starting. Check it out when you get a chance, and it's not just a 3 year run.

[Muscles]

https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-primary-concern-draymond-greens-conduct-detrimental-kevin-durants-future-team-053226752.html

"Green called Durant a “bitch” multiple times, sources said. In a summarized version, sources said Green shouted, “You’re a bitch and you know you’re a bitch.” The rhetoric, sources said, continued even when Kerr attempted to direct the team’s attention to his whiteboard.

But what ultimately led to Green’s suspension, sources said, was a remark in which he dared Durant to bolt in free agency next summer. Durant has a player option for the 2019-20 season, and the Warriors want their superteam intact for the opening of their new arena, the Chase Center, in San Francisco next season.

Green blurted to Durant something along the lines of, “We don’t need you. We won without you. Leave,” sources said."

[Impuniti]

Draymond is an immeasurable idiot if he said that to KD.

[Muscles]

Draymond is an immeasurable idiot if he said that to KD.

To say that to a guy who just had 2 FMVPs is beyond dumb. Way to make KD feel unappreciated. No way in hell he comes back now.

[Phase 3]

Draymond is definitely wrong for telling KD to leave. Really really dumb stuff. I’m definitely sick of the KD free agency tour already...but c’mon Dray. You gotta play with him the rest of this year. There’s no point in saying that..............Now, having said all that, I think some Warriors won’t tell Durant that to his face but probably are tired of bending over backwards to make KD feel welcome since he got here and are puzzled why he doesn’t return the love...cough, Steph, cough. On the Warriors postgame radio show the host said there were 3 sources that told him things weren’t right months ago but when he took the info to his bosses they didn’t want him to share it over the air...apparently a lot of local media don’t want to report negative info in fear of getting on the “bad side” of the Warriors organization. Anyways, it sounds like these issues have been building for some time.

[Muscles]

Draymond is definitely wrong for telling KD to leave. Really really dumb stuff. I’m definitely sick of the KD free agency tour already...but c’mon Dray. You gotta play with him the rest of this year. There’s no point in saying that..............Now, having said all that, I think some Warriors won’t tell Durant that to his face but probably are tired of bending over backwards to make KD feel welcome since he got here and are puzzled why he doesn’t return the love...cough, Steph, cough. On the Warriors postgame radio show the host said there were 3 sources that told him things weren’t right months ago but when he took the info to his bosses they didn’t want him to share it over the air...apparently a lot of local media don’t want to report negative info in fear of getting on the “bad side” of the Warriors organization. Anyways, it sounds like these issues have been building for some time.

Wasn't right in terms of Curry and Durant? Or Warriors organization bending over backwards?

[Impuniti]

There's already information that they're not doing another "please stay KD" tour from within. The main 3 are probably tired of it. But what Dray said was inexcusable and disrespectful. Absolute loose cannon.