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GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST

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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#121 » by MGrand15 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:49 pm

Only thing I want from Kenny while we're short handed - start Dinwiddie, give Faried a chance as the backup 5 if Allen's out, sneak in one stint per half for Rodi.

It's not complicated. Russell NEEDS a secondary ball handler + athlete that can attack next to him with Dinwiddie.

RHJ should not be banging around with centers. His health is one factor. He's also not great at it unless we're in switch everything mode. Faried deserves a shot at C ESPECIALLY if we're playing lifeless basketball. No reason to slide down RHJ when we have Faried and Alan Williams.

Rodi just has to play a little bit. Development is important but Rodi is just good right now. He brings energy. He shoots well. Runs the floor hard. Creates his own shot. I think you gotta play him at least 10 minutes a game. From there, the 38 free PF minutes are up for grabs. None of our PFs have done much to earn minutes anyway.
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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#122 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:59 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Only thing I want from Kenny while we're short handed - start Dinwiddie, give Faried a chance as the backup 5 if Allen's out, sneak in one stint per half for Rodi.

It's not complicated. Russell NEEDS a secondary ball handler + athlete that can attack next to him with Dinwiddie.

RHJ should not be banging around with centers. His health is one factor. He's also not great at it unless we're in switch everything mode. Faried deserves a shot at C ESPECIALLY if we're playing lifeless basketball. No reason to slide down RHJ when we have Faried and Alan Williams.

Rodi just has to play a little bit. Development is important but Rodi is just good right now. He brings energy. He shoots well. Runs the floor hard. Creates his own shot. I think you gotta play him at least 10 minutes a game. From there, the 38 free PF minutes are up for grabs. None of our PFs have done much to earn minutes anyway.

Dinwiddie+Russell does not work. It's never worked in the past, and we need one of them on the court at all times. Their minutes need to be split as much as possible. If anything, get Carroll back in the starting lineup, because he at least can do somethings with the ball.
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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#123 » by MGrand15 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:24 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Only thing I want from Kenny while we're short handed - start Dinwiddie, give Faried a chance as the backup 5 if Allen's out, sneak in one stint per half for Rodi.

It's not complicated. Russell NEEDS a secondary ball handler + athlete that can attack next to him with Dinwiddie.

RHJ should not be banging around with centers. His health is one factor. He's also not great at it unless we're in switch everything mode. Faried deserves a shot at C ESPECIALLY if we're playing lifeless basketball. No reason to slide down RHJ when we have Faried and Alan Williams.

Rodi just has to play a little bit. Development is important but Rodi is just good right now. He brings energy. He shoots well. Runs the floor hard. Creates his own shot. I think you gotta play him at least 10 minutes a game. From there, the 38 free PF minutes are up for grabs. None of our PFs have done much to earn minutes anyway.

Dinwiddie+Russell does not work. It's never worked in the past, and we need one of them on the court at all times. Their minutes need to be split as much as possible. If anything, get Carroll back in the starting lineup, because he at least can do somethings with the ball.


Don't care what last year's stats say. Russell + Crabbe is not a good enough back court and doesn't have a high ceiling. Without Dinwiddie, we literally have no one that can attack the paint or mismatches in the starting 5. That's crazy.

Give Napier a chance to run the offense off the bench. I don't think asking him to run the offense for 12-15 minutes a game is asking too much.
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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#124 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:29 am

We need to give Dinwiddie and Russell a chance. Both of them now have a better grasp of the offense.

I also say its time to call Musa up. The kid can handle the ball too.

and I agree. RHJ is going to get injured if this keeps up. Let Faried play the small ball 5.
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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#125 » by Papi_swav » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:37 am

Oh snap I forgot we had Alan Williams, I thought he would of been got some burn. The season is long, all these guys will have their chance I'm sure. Allen didn't get consistent minutes until the 2nd half, same with Levert. Kurucs really surprised me with his I.Q and how well he's adjusted to the NBA this quick. That was a good find by Marks in the 2nd round.
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Post#126 » by SpeedyG » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:07 pm

Kenny said "I can't say I didn't like what I saw" in Crabbe vs the Heat, and in the absence of Caris "we may have to play small some"

Great. Apparently to him, we haven't played small enough as it is.

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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#127 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:44 pm

If Kenny puts RHJ at center versus Howard at any point in this game I may have to turn the TV off. the guy is already off to a rough start and he's being thrown in these no win situations. Want to kill a guy's confidence any more than it already is? Let him get his ass kicked by guys twice his size.

Washington has won 3 in a row. If Allen is out again, this game is not even remotely winnable.
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Post#128 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:56 pm

SpeedyG wrote:Kenny said "I can't say I didn't like what I saw" in Crabbe vs the Heat, and in the absence of Caris "we may have to play small some"

Great. Apparently to him, we haven't played small enough as it is.

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If we have to play small in the absence of Caris, I think that means more time for Napier in order to have 2 ball handlers on the court at all times.

Now if it's because of Allen's absence, then he probably means playing an extra wing.
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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#129 » by Prokorov » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:32 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:If Kenny puts RHJ at center versus Howard at any point in this game I may have to turn the TV off. the guy is already off to a rough start and he's being thrown in these no win situations. Want to kill a guy's confidence any more than it already is? Let him get his ass kicked by guys twice his size.

Washington has won 3 in a row. If Allen is out again, this game is not even remotely winnable.


RHJ may have to be a center/PF to stick on the team. his role as PF seems to be lost to a stretch PF regardless of who it ends up being (dudley/carroll/kurucs/our first round pick next year).

that or he needs to add a 3
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Re: GT#15: Heat vs Nets - Wednesday, 11/14/18, 7:30pm EST 

Post#130 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:13 pm

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:If Kenny puts RHJ at center versus Howard at any point in this game I may have to turn the TV off. the guy is already off to a rough start and he's being thrown in these no win situations. Want to kill a guy's confidence any more than it already is? Let him get his ass kicked by guys twice his size.

Washington has won 3 in a row. If Allen is out again, this game is not even remotely winnable.


RHJ may have to be a center/PF to stick on the team. his role as PF seems to be lost to a stretch PF regardless of who it ends up being (dudley/carroll/kurucs/our first round pick next year).

that or he needs to add a 3


Him playing PF or asking him to develop his 3 point shot is fine, with how awful Dudley has shot the ball this season I don't know why RHJ is hesitating because it doesn't seem that difficult to hit 29%-30% which Dudley has been doing. Him playing Center is absolutely ridiculous though. If a team is going small versus us (like say Golden State uses their Draymond/Durant/Igoudala/Klay/Steph line up) and you want to toss RHJ in at the 5 to match up, sure.

Making him play the 5 versus starting NBA centers full time just for him to stay on the team is insane. Might as well bench him for the rest of the season and let him loose now if thats the only way the Nets are going to play him.

I understand the whole floor spacing issue but if the only way the best defender on the team is going to play is by having him put into impossible physical match ups, maybe Kenny's system is just a bit too rigid.
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Post#131 » by Prokorov » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:25 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Him playing PF or asking him to develop his 3 point shot is fine, with how awful Dudley has shot the ball this season I don't know why RHJ is hesitating because it doesn't seem that difficult to hit 29%-30% which Dudley has been doing. Him playing Center is absolutely ridiculous though. If a team is going small versus us (like say Golden State uses their Draymond/Durant/Igoudala/Klay/Steph line up) and you want to toss RHJ in at the 5 to match up, sure.


It isnt about hitting 30% from three. even if RHJ was shooting 30% from three defenses will dare him to take that shot... on the flipside dudley can shoot sub 30% from three and guys will still be glued to him because he has a reputation as a shooter at 40% for his CAREER.

Also, i love how everyone writes off crabbe and Dudley like they will 100% suck from three all year because of slow starts. ignoring years of history showing guys always come back towards their averages over the large sample.

RHJ just doesnt have much value in this system unless its at center or PF off the bench pushing tempo. i love RHJ and you know ive always defended him but thus far nets offense runs a ton smoother with a stretch 4. you want to start carroll or rodi? sure. i dont see it for RHJ.

Making him play the 5 versus starting NBA centers full time just for him to stay on the team is insane. Might as well bench him for the rest of the season and let him loose now if thats the only way the Nets are going to play him.

I understand the whole floor spacing issue but if the only way the best defender on the team is going to play is by having him put into impossible physical match ups, maybe Kenny's system is just a bit too rigid.


impossible physical matchups dont matter. the nets would love it if teams just post up RHJ all game. the real question is can he hold his own on both ends where his value at C is greater then someone like ed davis. benching RHJ doesnt make sense, why do that when you can test him at other spots... doing so last year showed he was better at PF then SF.

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