Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[Blue_and_Whte]

Honestly, I kid about resigning Vuc on here a lot but I don't really see the harm in resigning him to a 1-year deal this offseason. Im not in a particular rush to throw our 20-year-old rookie into the fire, and Vuc has taken a step forward in my eyes this year which has been unexpected but welcomed. Now is it acceptable for Bamba to log 9 minutes in a game like he did the other night? No, it's not and if we do bring Vuc back on a 1 yr deal we will really need to start integrating Bamba into the offense more next year and giving him a bigger role on the team.

Acceptable if he isn't doing ****. I think hes shown enough in small amounts to get an idea of what he can become but he needs to be a better rebounder, and his defensive fundamentals aren't where they need to be. He's still defending at the rim with his arms down. He's going to benefit so much once he adds some muscle.

[rcklsscognition]

A 1 year big deal is an intriguing idea for Vuc. I was thinking the timing of him leaving is off by about a season.

[MoMM]

How does resigning Vuc increase his value?

He wouldn't be an expiring contract, he would be a good center locked in a team friendly deal.

And what do you do with Bamba?

Bamba is just a backup at this moment, doesn't require more than 20 minutes and as I mentioned, we can trade Vuc in a few years for a player who plays another position.

[MoMM]

How does resigning Vuc increase his value?

He wouldn't be an expiring contract, he would be a good center locked in a team friendly deal.

What do you think he's been the last 4 years? Now he's only older.

If you think Vuc is going to be cheap AND also be an attractive trade asset with a new contract, then you're just wrong.

Some people here mentioned that something like 7 teams would be interested on signing him next offseason, why do you think he wouldn't be atractive piece to be traded in a few years?

Also, I never said he would be CHEAP, I expect 20mi/year and I think it's fair.

I get that you and BAMBAEXPRESS doesn't like him and I know he is not perfect, but he is kind of young and the best player in our team. Let's not pretend it's really easy to replace him and Bamba is ready. Vuc is loyal and a very constant player, that's something we can't say about any of our players (including Aaron, Bamba, Isaac, etc...).

Trading him for a late 1st round pick is a bad deal, the odds of finding someone as good as him are really low. I can see we trading him and then we drafting someone like Jerian Grant and then people complaining that Vuc is doing a great job in Boston or wherever.

[MoMM]

A 1 year big deal is an intriguing idea for Vuc. I was thinking the timing of him leaving is off by about a season.

No way he would re-sign a one-year deal. His agent would be awful to accept this kind of deal for a center averaging 19/10/3/1/1.

[NavalAviator94]

A 1 year big deal is an intriguing idea for Vuc. I was thinking the timing of him leaving is off by about a season.

No way he would re-sign a one-year deal. His agent would be awful to accept this kind of deal for a center averaging 19/10/3/1/1.

If Orlando doesn't recruit a top player, they could easily pay him a $20m+ 1 year salary not too dissimilar to what JJ has done in Philly the last 2 years.

[PrimeThyme]

Honestly, I kid about resigning Vuc on here a lot but I don't really see the harm in resigning him to a 1-year deal this offseason. Im not in a particular rush to throw our 20-year-old rookie into the fire, and Vuc has taken a step forward in my eyes this year which has been unexpected but welcomed. Now is it acceptable for Bamba to log 9 minutes in a game like he did the other night? No, it's not and if we do bring Vuc back on a 1 yr deal we will really need to start integrating Bamba into the offense more next year and giving him a bigger role on the team.

Acceptable if he isn't doing ****. I think hes shown enough in small amounts to get an idea of what he can become but he needs to be a better rebounder, and his defensive fundamentals aren't where they need to be. He's still defending at the rim with his arms down. He's going to benefit so much once he adds some muscle.

Yeah on second thought, let's regulate our 6th overall draft pick to 9mpg because he "cant do ****". It's not like he needs a consistent role and steady minutes to start to figure out how to do some of those things anyways.

[SOUL]

Bamba has, for his limited minutes, actually been one of the top impact rookies (at least prior to the last few games).

If we're rebuilding based on "readiness" from rookies/young players, then this is going to be a lifetime rebuild. 9/10 rookies that are put in 20-30 minute positions from the start aren't really "ready", but they're learning game to game.

Doncic is the only one that I haven't seen look overmatched in most scenarios from the jump. Even Ayton, who is putting up numbers, has long stretches where he isn't quite sure how to impact the game yet.

[darthmerrick]

I don't think the team will throw big money at Vuc to keep him. The only way I see us keeping Vuc is if we trade away Gordon.

There are a number of teams with cap space that I think will go after him if don't trade him at the deadlin: Kings, Dallas (let Jordan leave), Hawks, Nets, Clippers all need centers.

His value has never been higher as a cheap expiring. We should definitely explore moving him if we can land picks or a starter.

[woosah]

A 1 year big deal is an intriguing idea for Vuc. I was thinking the timing of him leaving is off by about a season.

No way he would re-sign a one-year deal. His agent would be awful to accept this kind of deal for a center averaging 19/10/3/1/1.

If Orlando doesn't recruit a top player, they could easily pay him a $20m+ 1 year salary not too dissimilar to what JJ has done in Philly the last 2 years.

We have enough to get an at least decent pg and pay Vuc that? This way this guy's idea by the way:

Let me break it down.

If the Magic want to keep Vooch long-term, it would make a ton of sense to offer him 25+ mil for a 1 year deal.

Why?

The Magic's true cap space is in two summers, so giving Vooch a healthy 1 year deal is not out of the question. You also have a lot of youngsters who are still at least 1 year of experience away, so again, another reason.

Then, you have another fantastic reason for the 1 year deal, towards building a lot of further trust and loyalty two ways, and for that second contract (after the big 1 year deal), you might be in a really, really good spot to land that 13.8 mil per year on average, declining per year contract, with 5 guaranteed years and a TK/PO for Vooch. This puts ORL in cap situations where they will still be able to have max slots available here and there during their climb back up.

Omg guys, a guy who like Vooch on RealGM. It's all sarcasm and trolling!

[pepe1991]

https://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2018/11/16/18098401/orlando-magic-jonathan-issac-stephen-curry-richard-ferkel-ankle-surgery

telephone interview with guy who helped heal Curry glass ankles about Isaac and his

[Optimus_Steel]

Jamal Murray got sent to the bench. Man wouldn't it be awesome to trade for him? Don't know what we could offer though. Evan or TRoss?

[SOUL]

Jamal Murray got sent to the bench. Man wouldn't it be awesome to trade for him? Don't know what we could offer though. Evan or TRoss?

Benching doesn't mean it's necessarily because of him, they were on a losing streak and needed some scoring off of the bench after Barton went down.

[Knightro]

Jamal Murray got sent to the bench. Man wouldn't it be awesome to trade for him? Don't know what we could offer though. Evan or TRoss?

Murray was late to a shootaround apparently.

He’s supposed to be back in their starting lineup for their next game.

[NotACat]

Bamba has, for his limited minutes, actually been one of the top impact rookies (at least prior to the last few games).

If we're rebuilding based on "readiness" from rookies/young players, then this is going to be a lifetime rebuild. 9/10 rookies that are put in 20-30 minute positions from the start aren't really "ready", but they're learning game to game.

Doncic is the only one that I haven't seen look overmatched in most scenarios from the jump. Even Ayton, who is putting up numbers, has long stretches where he isn't quite sure how to impact the game yet.

I think when people say "ready," they're referring to his build rather than his game. He just isn't strong enough to bang with NBA bigs for 82+ games

[Skin]

He wouldn't be an expiring contract, he would be a good center locked in a team friendly deal.

What do you think he's been the last 4 years? Now he's only older.

If you think Vuc is going to be cheap AND also be an attractive trade asset with a new contract, then you're just wrong.

Some people here mentioned that something like 7 teams would be interested on signing him next offseason, why do you think he wouldn't be atractive piece to be traded in a few years?

Also, I never said he would be CHEAP, I expect 20mi/year and I think it's fair.

I get that you and BAMBAEXPRESS doesn't like him and I know he is not perfect, but he is kind of young and the best player in our team. Let's not pretend it's really easy to replace him and Bamba is ready. Vuc is loyal and a very constant player, that's something we can't say about any of our players (including Aaron, Bamba, Isaac, etc...).

Trading him for a late 1st round pick is a bad deal, the odds of finding someone as good as him are really low. I can see we trading him and then we drafting someone like Jerian Grant and then people complaining that Vuc is doing a great job in Boston or wherever.

Do you have any ideal trade ideas or have you not thought that far?

[DiplomaticMagic]

Some of these contracts some of you want to give Vuc are downright terrifying

He has had only 1 good year since signing his last contract, not even 15 games!

Remember every dollar spent on Vuc is a dollar less spent elsewhere.

Vuc is not part of the future, it's time to move on.

[pepe1991]

Want to sign big name FA this summer? Great , than just resign Nikola Allstar Vučević

i swear this forum would eat itself alive if he resigns for some 3years $70M deal

[Blue_and_Whte]

Honestly, I kid about resigning Vuc on here a lot but I don't really see the harm in resigning him to a 1-year deal this offseason. Im not in a particular rush to throw our 20-year-old rookie into the fire, and Vuc has taken a step forward in my eyes this year which has been unexpected but welcomed. Now is it acceptable for Bamba to log 9 minutes in a game like he did the other night? No, it's not and if we do bring Vuc back on a 1 yr deal we will really need to start integrating Bamba into the offense more next year and giving him a bigger role on the team.

Acceptable if he isn't doing ****. I think hes shown enough in small amounts to get an idea of what he can become but he needs to be a better rebounder, and his defensive fundamentals aren't where they need to be. He's still defending at the rim with his arms down. He's going to benefit so much once he adds some muscle.

Yeah on second thought, let's regulate our 6th overall draft pick to 9mpg because he "cant do ****". It's not like he needs a consistent role and steady minutes to start to figure out how to do some of those things anyways.

Getting more minutes won't help him figure out that he should play with more effort by putting his hands up or being more aggressive on the glass in a big game, it'll teach him that he can play that way and still get minutes.

Getting benched however gives him an opportunity to "figure out" that if you aint doing **** then youre sitting down and watching what is working. Also part of the learning process.

Cliff hasnt had him on a short leash all season so he'll be fine even if he doesn't get the realGM mandated amount of minutes.

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[Knightro]

Bamba has, for his limited minutes, actually been one of the top impact rookies (at least prior to the last few games).

If we're rebuilding based on "readiness" from rookies/young players, then this is going to be a lifetime rebuild. 9/10 rookies that are put in 20-30 minute positions from the start aren't really "ready", but they're learning game to game.

Doncic is the only one that I haven't seen look overmatched in most scenarios from the jump. Even Ayton, who is putting up numbers, has long stretches where he isn't quite sure how to impact the game yet.

I don't really agree with this at all.

I love Bamba and really think he has excellent potential, but right now his NET RTG is -17.2 and his on/off is also -21.2. From an impact perspective, he's been one of the worst players in the NBA that's seeing regular minutes.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753