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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1161 » by Ball4life32 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:36 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:He's never been a guy with a high 3pt shooting percentage.

The problem is that he is taking 3’s 10 feet behind the line. He’ll learn but his passing ability is elite and I’ve been surprised at how well he’s getting to the rim.


That has always been Young though. High School, AAU, International, College and now the NBA. He has always had Steph Curry type shot selection but without the all time great shooting skill to back it up.

Well he’s been able to hit those shots regularly up until 2nd half of last season. Pretty sure Curry didn’t come into the league right away (in the 1st half of the his rookie season) and shoot it at an elite level. Chris Paul shot below 30% as a rookie and both of those guys were older at the same stage.
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Post#1162 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:56 pm

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Atlhawks09 wrote:The problem is that he is taking 3’s 10 feet behind the line. He’ll learn but his passing ability is elite and I’ve been surprised at how well he’s getting to the rim.


That has always been Young though. High School, AAU, International, College and now the NBA. He has always had Steph Curry type shot selection but without the all time great shooting skill to back it up.

Well he’s been able to hit those shots regularly up until 2nd half of last season. Pretty sure Curry didn’t come into the league right away (in the 1st half of the his rookie season) and shoot it at an elite level. Chris Paul shot below 30% as a rookie and both of those guys were older at the same stage.


Trae Young early non conference games (11 games)
29/3/10 on 48/41/86 shooting (18 shots and 4 TOs a game)

Trae Young once conference play began (21 games)
27/4/8 on 39/33/86 shooting (20 shots and 6 TOs a game)

Its not really all that uncommon to see guys tear it up in non conference play because the majority of teams they play against are horrible and there is a lack of scouting when they do play against better teams.

1/3 of the season he was great, the other 2/3s he was chucking a lot and he wasnt so great. Im called a Trae Young hater a lot. But this is just one of the main reasons I havent liked him as a prospect. He settles way too often for horrible shots, he has done it on every level with pretty bad results and that hasnt changed going into this season.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1163 » by Ball4life32 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:11 pm

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That has always been Young though. High School, AAU, International, College and now the NBA. He has always had Steph Curry type shot selection but without the all time great shooting skill to back it up.

Well he’s been able to hit those shots regularly up until 2nd half of last season. Pretty sure Curry didn’t come into the league right away (in the 1st half of the his rookie season) and shoot it at an elite level. Chris Paul shot below 30% as a rookie and both of those guys were older at the same stage.


Trae Young early non conference games (11 games)
29/3/10 on 48/41/86 shooting (18 shots and 4 TOs a game)

Trae Young once conference play began (21 games)
27/4/8 on 39/33/86 shooting (20 shots and 6 TOs a game)

Its not really all that uncommon to see guys tear it up in non conference play because the majority of teams they play against are horrible and there is a lack of scouting when they do play against better teams.

1/3 of the season he was great, the other 2/3s he was chucking a lot and he wasnt so great. Im called a Trae Young hater a lot. But this is just one of the main reasons I havent liked him as a prospect. He settles way too often for horrible shots, he has done it on every level with pretty bad results and that hasnt changed going into this season.

He played against some good teams earlier in the season no? Plus if you look at the 2nd half of the season he was doubled teamed on 46.7% of his touches past half court. Second closest ever? Curry as a junior at 31.7%.

The fact that he led the nation in scoring and assists as a 19 year old freshman despite all the attention he saw on an awful team is crazy. I agree with you thar the shot selection needs to improve but he’s a 20 year old rookie 15 games into his career on a purposely tanking team. The fact that teams are already starting to double him combined with him being top 5 in the NBA in assists already (in only 30 MPG) has me excited for the future.
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Post#1164 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:33 pm

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Atlhawks09 wrote:Well he’s been able to hit those shots regularly up until 2nd half of last season. Pretty sure Curry didn’t come into the league right away (in the 1st half of the his rookie season) and shoot it at an elite level. Chris Paul shot below 30% as a rookie and both of those guys were older at the same stage.


Trae Young early non conference games (11 games)
29/3/10 on 48/41/86 shooting (18 shots and 4 TOs a game)

Trae Young once conference play began (21 games)
27/4/8 on 39/33/86 shooting (20 shots and 6 TOs a game)

Its not really all that uncommon to see guys tear it up in non conference play because the majority of teams they play against are horrible and there is a lack of scouting when they do play against better teams.

1/3 of the season he was great, the other 2/3s he was chucking a lot and he wasnt so great. Im called a Trae Young hater a lot. But this is just one of the main reasons I havent liked him as a prospect. He settles way too often for horrible shots, he has done it on every level with pretty bad results and that hasnt changed going into this season.

He played against some good teams earlier in the season no? Plus if you look at the 2nd half of the season he was doubled teamed on 46.7% of his touches past half court. Second closest ever? Curry as a junior at 31.7%.

The fact that he led the nation in scoring and assists as a 19 year old freshman despite all the attention he saw on an awful team is crazy. I agree with you thar the shot selection needs to improve but he’s a 20 year old rookie 15 games into his career on a purposely tanking team. The fact that teams are already starting to double him combined with him being top 5 in the NBA in assists already (in only 30 MPG) has me excited for the future.


2 out of the 11 teams Oklahoma played made the tournament. Ya he did lead the nation in assists but he also led in USG% and turnovers as well.

Im not just saying this stuff because of his poor shooting numbers to start this year. Ask many on here this has been what Ive been saying for him for well over a year, this is what Ive said before he even signed on to play with Oklahoma. I just think he has horrible shot selection and I have to see any sign that is going to change. If it doesnt change then I think he is always going to be an inefficient scorer.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1165 » by Ball4life32 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:42 pm

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Trae Young early non conference games (11 games)
29/3/10 on 48/41/86 shooting (18 shots and 4 TOs a game)

Trae Young once conference play began (21 games)
27/4/8 on 39/33/86 shooting (20 shots and 6 TOs a game)

Its not really all that uncommon to see guys tear it up in non conference play because the majority of teams they play against are horrible and there is a lack of scouting when they do play against better teams.

1/3 of the season he was great, the other 2/3s he was chucking a lot and he wasnt so great. Im called a Trae Young hater a lot. But this is just one of the main reasons I havent liked him as a prospect. He settles way too often for horrible shots, he has done it on every level with pretty bad results and that hasnt changed going into this season.

He played against some good teams earlier in the season no? Plus if you look at the 2nd half of the season he was doubled teamed on 46.7% of his touches past half court. Second closest ever? Curry as a junior at 31.7%.

The fact that he led the nation in scoring and assists as a 19 year old freshman despite all the attention he saw on an awful team is crazy. I agree with you thar the shot selection needs to improve but he’s a 20 year old rookie 15 games into his career on a purposely tanking team. The fact that teams are already starting to double him combined with him being top 5 in the NBA in assists already (in only 30 MPG) has me excited for the future.


2 out of the 11 teams Oklahoma played made the tournament. Ya he did lead the nation in assists but he also led in USG% and turnovers as well.

Im not just saying this stuff because of his poor shooting numbers to start this year. Ask many on here this has been what Ive been saying for him for well over a year, this is what Ive said before he even signed on to play with Oklahoma. I just think he has horrible shot selection and I have to see any sign that is going to change. If it doesnt change then I think he is always going to be an inefficient scorer.

Any college player that gets constantly doubled/triple teamed with his usage is going to
turn the ball over. He’s still an elite passer and worst case he doesn’t improve his shot selection he’ll still be guy that averages 10+ apg in his prime imo.

Either way I have hard time seeing him being just a 26% 3 point shooter...he’ll improve because he’s much better than that.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1166 » by nolang1 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:29 pm

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Atlhawks09 wrote:The problem is that he is taking 3’s 10 feet behind the line. He’ll learn but his passing ability is elite and I’ve been surprised at how well he’s getting to the rim.


Yeah but that's what you have to do to shoot threes at a high volume if you're a smaller player. My thing about him before the draft was that the difference between Curry and Lillard comes largely from Curry being that much better of a three-point shooter - for players in that mold (even moreso for Young, who figures to be more of a defensive liability than either of those two) a seemingly small difference is going to matter a lot.

‪He’s been able to penetrate in the lane and score/pass at the rim pretty well so far though. He has deceptive quickness and has elite ball handling ability. His 3 point efficiency will improve with more experience and when the Hawks get more talent around him. Teams are already starting to double Trae regularly.


My point was that the shot selection itself was not really an issue as those are the kind of shots players with Young's stature/defensive limitations need to be able to take and make in order to have a star-level impact. Like the reason he is able to penetrate to the extent he does is because he takes long threes and the defense has to go out there to guard him.
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Post#1167 » by Ball4life32 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:03 pm

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Yeah but that's what you have to do to shoot threes at a high volume if you're a smaller player. My thing about him before the draft was that the difference between Curry and Lillard comes largely from Curry being that much better of a three-point shooter - for players in that mold (even moreso for Young, who figures to be more of a defensive liability than either of those two) a seemingly small difference is going to matter a lot.

‪He’s been able to penetrate in the lane and score/pass at the rim pretty well so far though. He has deceptive quickness and has elite ball handling ability. His 3 point efficiency will improve with more experience and when the Hawks get more talent around him. Teams are already starting to double Trae regularly.


My point was that the shot selection itself was not really an issue as those are the kind of shots players with Young's stature/defensive limitations need to be able to take and make in order to have a star-level impact. Like the reason he is able to penetrate to the extent he does is because he takes long threes and the defense has to go out there to guard him.

I see what you’re saying but dont 100% agree. Curry and Lillard are both career 6 apg guys. I think Trae is superior in that regard than both players so he doesn’t have to exactly = them as far as 3 point shooting to make a star level impact.

I think Trae will be closer to a Lillard type shooter than Curry either way. Curry is the GOAT shooter and it’s just a unrealistic expectation for ANY player.
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Post#1168 » by wco81 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:00 am

If he can command double teams regularly, that would be great, he's create good shots for his teammates.

Curry can step back, drive and finish at a high percentage, separate laterally, as well as take those long shots which force defenders to worry about guarding him 30-35 feet away from the hoop.

The other part of it is that Curry gets looks off the ball, from movement. Some of that is from having other good shooters on the team.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1169 » by MalonesElbows » Thu Dec 6, 2018 2:54 am

So Trey Burke and Young are pretty even for their rookie years so far. I only post this because several long time posters here couldn't "fathom the thought" Young would only be Trey Burke in the NBA. Time to pay the piper.

TS%: (Burke rookie/Young)
.473 / .476

PER
12.6 / 12

3PT%
.333 / .239

Assists
5.7 / 7.4

Turnovers
1.9 / 4
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Post#1170 » by Marcus » Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:34 pm

MalonesElbows wrote:So Trey Burke and Young are pretty even for their rookie years so far. I only post this because several long time posters here couldn't "fathom the thought" Young would only be Trey Burke in the NBA. Time to pay the piper.

TS%: (Burke rookie/Young)
.473 / .476

PER
12.6 / 12

3PT%
.333 / .239

Assists
5.7 / 7.4

Turnovers
1.9 / 4


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Post#1171 » by doordoor123 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:30 pm

Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.
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Post#1172 » by Stillwater » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:56 pm

doordoor123 wrote:Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.
idk, I mean he has solid defenders around him to cover his deficiencies on that end and yet he's still not producing as a scorer with poor shooting % & really only as a distributor can anyone say he has been reliable.
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Post#1173 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:03 pm

doordoor123 wrote:Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.


What would have been a better situation though? His best skill is being a high usage PG. He is really bad when he plays off the ball. He has a great PnR and lob threat with Collins, ATL is trying to surround him with as many shooters as they can. He is given as long as a leash as he can get, so he gets a chance to play through his mistakes. I just dont know what better of a situation he couldve asked for. He goes anywhere else and the ball is going to be taken out of his hands more often, which again isnt a strength of his.

I know its really early, but his struggles hasnt surprised me at all. I get it was a little hyperbole, but like I said last year, Im not sure I see a big difference between him and some G Leaguers. I thought he was going to be a major bust. Now Im not declaring I was right or anything like that, its only been like 20 games, a ton can change. But so far this is pretty much what I expected. I dont think a different team would mean all that much.
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Post#1174 » by doordoor123 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:14 am

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doordoor123 wrote:Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.


What would have been a better situation though? His best skill is being a high usage PG. He is really bad when he plays off the ball. He has a great PnR and lob threat with Collins, ATL is trying to surround him with as many shooters as they can. He is given as long as a leash as he can get, so he gets a chance to play through his mistakes. I just dont know what better of a situation he couldve asked for. He goes anywhere else and the ball is going to be taken out of his hands more often, which again isnt a strength of his.

I know its really early, but his struggles hasnt surprised me at all. I get it was a little hyperbole, but like I said last year, Im not sure I see a big difference between him and some G Leaguers. I thought he was going to be a major bust. Now Im not declaring I was right or anything like that, its only been like 20 games, a ton can change. But so far this is pretty much what I expected. I dont think a different team would mean all that much.


Accountability. Playing as a backup and earning his spot on the team by learning to play off-ball and learning how not to take the wrong shot. Learning how not to be a high-usage player and how to play within the flow of the offense. Having an established all-star or star showing him how to play the right way and giving an example for him. Vince is not a model for the current NBA, the game has changed. And a team where other players can handle the ball and take pressure off of him would be great. I thought Dennis Smith Jr needed the same kind of coaching and leadership and he got it on the Mavericks. If they would have taken Young he would have been much better off.
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Post#1175 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:16 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.


What would have been a better situation though? His best skill is being a high usage PG. He is really bad when he plays off the ball. He has a great PnR and lob threat with Collins, ATL is trying to surround him with as many shooters as they can. He is given as long as a leash as he can get, so he gets a chance to play through his mistakes. I just dont know what better of a situation he couldve asked for. He goes anywhere else and the ball is going to be taken out of his hands more often, which again isnt a strength of his.

I know its really early, but his struggles hasnt surprised me at all. I get it was a little hyperbole, but like I said last year, Im not sure I see a big difference between him and some G Leaguers. I thought he was going to be a major bust. Now Im not declaring I was right or anything like that, its only been like 20 games, a ton can change. But so far this is pretty much what I expected. I dont think a different team would mean all that much.


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He's looked horrible as of late, really most of the season. He'll probably start lighting it up in the final third of the season, and see if he can carry that through into next season. John Collins is the key. Trae recorded 15 ast with the likes of Spellman, Prince, Len, and Baze. He got 17 assists with Collins so it's just a matter of in-fluxing the roster with finishers, shooters, scorers, etc.

I've seen Teague and Schroder before their drafts and Trae will be better than both eventually. The Hawks were willing to give both keys to the position.
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Post#1176 » by wco81 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:56 am

He's suppose to be a better shooter than Teague and Schroder but he's not as athletic as they are.
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Post#1177 » by JHTruth » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.


What would have been a better situation though? His best skill is being a high usage PG. He is really bad when he plays off the ball. He has a great PnR and lob threat with Collins, ATL is trying to surround him with as many shooters as they can. He is given as long as a leash as he can get, so he gets a chance to play through his mistakes. I just dont know what better of a situation he couldve asked for. He goes anywhere else and the ball is going to be taken out of his hands more often, which again isnt a strength of his.

I know its really early, but his struggles hasnt surprised me at all. I get it was a little hyperbole, but like I said last year, Im not sure I see a big difference between him and some G Leaguers. I thought he was going to be a major bust. Now Im not declaring I was right or anything like that, its only been like 20 games, a ton can change. But so far this is pretty much what I expected. I dont think a different team would mean all that much.


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He's looked horrible as of late, really most of the season. He'll probably start lighting it up in the final third of the season, and see if he can carry that through into next season. John Collins is the key. Trae recorded 15 ast with the likes of Spellman, Prince, Len, and Baze. He got 17 assists with Collins so it's just a matter of in-fluxing the roster with finishers, shooters, scorers, etc.

I've seen Teague and Schroder before their drafts and Trae will be better than both eventually. The Hawks were willing to give both keys to the position.


Trae Young was always looked at having huge bust potential, I think most polls had him as the most likely bust from this draft. I think he's just your classic high-volume guard that had the misfortune of going to such a bad team. They should have grabbed a vet and had Young coming off the bench to earn mins.

Have to be honest though, didn't expect him to have negative win shares or have a -6 BPM. Guy is having a rough go of it to say the least. Looks like a massive bust so far at least. He has time though..
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Post#1178 » by nolang1 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:43 pm

The Hawks are throwing him to the wolves like this so they can lose a bunch of games and get him better help; if they get Zion or RJ plus a decent prospect with the Mavs pick and add those two to Young, Prince, and Collins, that will be considered one of the best young cores in the league, and on top of that they'll have a lot of cap space. At that point nobody should be complaining about how much help he's got. The way some describe it, Trae Young requires enough help that you could take him off the team and the 'supporting cast' plus any decent point guard would be good enough to win 45-50 games.

Speaking of supporting casts, Oklahoma this season is 8-1 and ranked #33 by Kenpom (they finished #48 last year). You can probably click to any random page in the middle of this thread and see people talking about how Trae Young's teammates were like the worst collection of players to ever play major conference basketball, so that's probably at least noteworthy.

The 'entitlement' thing is always a dumb argument to me as it's not hard for any 19-year-old rookie, regardless of initial role, to look around and see they're so much worse than the league's best players and it's going to take a lot of hard work to even have a chance of getting to that point. If Trae Young is gonna be shooting sub 30 percent on threes (which is not necessarily that surprising considering the track record of one-and-done rookies adjusting to the NBA line) he'd be having an awful rookie season whether he's running the show for the Hawks or the 3rd-string point guard for Golden State. I'm sure he's gonna work to get better, and if he doesn't it's gonna have a lot more to do with his talent than because he became 'entitled' because Atlanta put the ball in his hands from the start (which is obviously a much smarter long-term move for them than trying to win 35 games with Jeremy Lin as the starter).
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Post#1179 » by King Ken » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:15 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Hawks were the worst team he could have gone to. A new coach, no accountability, no leader on the team, no good veterans. I was so upset when he went there because it’s the same situation he had in Oklahoma. One of the worst situations for a rookie. I feel bad because this might ruin his career. He would have had a better year on almost any other team.


What would have been a better situation though? His best skill is being a high usage PG. He is really bad when he plays off the ball. He has a great PnR and lob threat with Collins, ATL is trying to surround him with as many shooters as they can. He is given as long as a leash as he can get, so he gets a chance to play through his mistakes. I just dont know what better of a situation he couldve asked for. He goes anywhere else and the ball is going to be taken out of his hands more often, which again isnt a strength of his.

I know its really early, but his struggles hasnt surprised me at all. I get it was a little hyperbole, but like I said last year, Im not sure I see a big difference between him and some G Leaguers. I thought he was going to be a major bust. Now Im not declaring I was right or anything like that, its only been like 20 games, a ton can change. But so far this is pretty much what I expected. I dont think a different team would mean all that much.

It's not a hyperbole. He is not a good NBA player. I would say there is a massive difference between him and G-League as no one as bad as him on that level would get the minutes nor are they talented enough to get the minutes.

Trae is extremely talented. One if not the most talented player in this class. Can finish at the rim at a higher clip. Is a good catch and shoot shooter when open and he can get to spots on the court at will. That's not to add his court vision.

But he is so raw. passing needs improvement. Not a good passer. Just has exceptional passing vision and passing skill but he doesn't really have the sense nor does he have the filter that this can be bad. He plays such an AAU style of Basketball at this stage. Just unpolished all over.

What he needs is the DeAaron Fox kit. Meaning Fox had issues with strength, shooting v. length, stamina, understanding that every possession matters, AAU minded, and being more crafty around the rim v. big dawgs.

Trae can improve those things, I can see him being a top 10-15 PG next year and maybe top 8 the year after.

It's not that Trae can't shoot. He just can't shoot over length. Teams are throwing the kitchen sink at him. No one is just letting him get off. It's not like he is getting Trey Burke treatment. He is getting great PG treatment from teams but damnit, he ain't ready yet. Trae will be much better next year but for this year, he sucks.

That said, Trae will never be anywhere near as good as Fox on D and honestly, none of us have that expectation.

I do think Trae is going to have to fix his shooting form. He shoots from the hip, he needs to shoot it like Steph. Adjust it so that it remains a quick release but it not so easy to put a hand in his face.

For Trae to become a superstar, it's all about developing his off the ball skills. I am not expecting Steph or Rip but if he can get to a respectable level like Lillard, the sky is the limit. But if he remains John Wall Jr., he will struggle to ever be a superstar.

Trae improving his body will be critical. He doesn't have to be huge but he needs to improve it like Dennis and Jeff did. Where he has a lot of core strength. Right now, he's weak. He is just so skilled but as he is realizing, you need a lot more in the NBA when you lack the measurables and the tools.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1180 » by King Ken » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:16 am

nolang1 wrote:The Hawks are throwing him to the wolves like this so they can lose a bunch of games and get him better help; if they get Zion or RJ plus a decent prospect with the Mavs pick and add those two to Young, Prince, and Collins, that will be considered one of the best young cores in the league, and on top of that they'll have a lot of cap space. At that point nobody should be complaining about how much help he's got. The way some describe it, Trae Young requires enough help that you could take him off the team and the 'supporting cast' plus any decent point guard would be good enough to win 45-50 games.

Speaking of supporting casts, Oklahoma this season is 8-1 and ranked #33 by Kenpom (they finished #48 last year). You can probably click to any random page in the middle of this thread and see people talking about how Trae Young's teammates were like the worst collection of players to ever play major conference basketball, so that's probably at least noteworthy.

The 'entitlement' thing is always a dumb argument to me as it's not hard for any 19-year-old rookie, regardless of initial role, to look around and see they're so much worse than the league's best players and it's going to take a lot of hard work to even have a chance of getting to that point. If Trae Young is gonna be shooting sub 30 percent on threes (which is not necessarily that surprising considering the track record of one-and-done rookies adjusting to the NBA line) he'd be having an awful rookie season whether he's running the show for the Hawks or the 3rd-string point guard for Golden State. I'm sure he's gonna work to get better, and if he doesn't it's gonna have a lot more to do with his talent than because he became 'entitled' because Atlanta put the ball in his hands from the start (which is obviously a much smarter long-term move for them than trying to win 35 games with Jeremy Lin as the starter).

While Lin is a solid player, we aren't winning anymore with him than Trae. At the end of the day, we lack way too much starting talent. Our bench is as good as our starters and are starters should all be on the bench. We have a fairly equal 1-10.

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