Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[gambitx777]

Haven't posted in a while, but what about this move:

Wizards trade Otto+2019 1st rounder (top 3 protected) for Shumpert (expiring)+Marvin Bagley?

Kings pick up a lost 1st rounder, get Otto to be their SF, and still have Giles (and especially Bjelica) to be their PF to play now. We get out of the tax, and get Bagley to be the big man of the future.

I would rather do something like.
otto for randolph, maclemore, sckal and giles. cut randolph and maclemore, and you have two goo young 4s to develop.

Oh wow....

You want to give what has a good likelihood to be a lottery pick, along with Otto Porter for Skal Labissiere (who is so promising that Sac'to has played him all of 28 minutes so far this season) & Harry Giles.

In essence that's Otto & a R1 pick for Harry Giles. What an idea....

Also, what makes you think you can "cut" Randolph & McLemore, both of whom have guaranteed contracts? After your trade we have 18 players. (17 after letting go of Randle -- who is not guaranteed).

Piff I did not say anything about a pick involved. ?
I said Otto for randolph, maclemore, sckal and giles. No pick involved. and you can cut anyone you want as long as you are willing to pay the money on the contract. and look considering we are saving what 40-50 mill by dumping otto now. something like that, eating whats left on pandolph and maclemores deals is not that big of a deal.

[gambitx777]

what about this
Wall and smith
to the caves
for clarkson, korver, zizic and a second or something.
or
hill and zizic and 2 seconds.

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I would rather do something like.
otto for randolph, maclemore, sckal and giles. cut randolph and maclemore, and you have two goo young 4s to develop.

Oh wow....

You want to give what has a good likelihood to be a lottery pick, along with Otto Porter for Skal Labissiere (who is so promising that Sac'to has played him all of 28 minutes so far this season) & Harry Giles.

In essence that's Otto & a R1 pick for Harry Giles. What an idea....

Also, what makes you think you can "cut" Randolph & McLemore, both of whom have guaranteed contracts? After your trade we have 18 players. (17 after letting go of Randle -- who is not guaranteed).

Piff I did not say anything about a pick involved. ?
I said Otto for randolph, maclemore, sckal and giles. No pick involved. and you can cut anyone you want as long as you are willing to pay the money on the contract. and look considering we are saving what 40-50 mill by dumping otto now. something like that, eating whats left on pandolph and maclemores deals is not that big of a deal.

You're right -- you didn't mention a pick. My bad.

Still a terrible trade. Otto Porter for Harry Giles? Ridiculous.

[gambitx777]

Oh wow....

You want to give what has a good likelihood to be a lottery pick, along with Otto Porter for Skal Labissiere (who is so promising that Sac'to has played him all of 28 minutes so far this season) & Harry Giles.

In essence that's Otto & a R1 pick for Harry Giles. What an idea....

Also, what makes you think you can "cut" Randolph & McLemore, both of whom have guaranteed contracts? After your trade we have 18 players. (17 after letting go of Randle -- who is not guaranteed).

Piff I did not say anything about a pick involved. ?
I said Otto for randolph, maclemore, sckal and giles. No pick involved. and you can cut anyone you want as long as you are willing to pay the money on the contract. and look considering we are saving what 40-50 mill by dumping otto now. something like that, eating whats left on pandolph and maclemores deals is not that big of a deal.

You're right -- you didn't mention a pick. My bad.

Still a terrible trade. Otto Porter for Harry Giles? Ridiculous.

Well piff we have three good young sf, 4 if you count sato. Kelley is not going to get a max deal.
so you trade Otto for the cap relief and you get Skal and Giles. Two good big young talented 4 men, a position of need on the team and a position that needs a lot of young injected into the team, if you move otto, you get younger and you get some potential on the team.

[trast66]

Jared Dudley for GM?

“I’m seeing a team that has been together too long. They haven’t made progress, so it’s time to change things over there”

“I think (they have) good players, but sometimes, good players need different situations. For them, I think that it’s tough the way the league is changing. They play two bigs. In this day in age, Otto needs to play more four because he’s tall enough, more spacing.”

“I think they’ve had enough time, but they really haven’t (broken) through,” Dudley said. “I can see by the All-Star break or summer time one of these pieces moving. It’s going to be good for them. If it’s John, or Otto or Brad, one of them three, I think their next move is going to be good for both teams."

[gambitx777]

Jared Dudley for GM?

“I’m seeing a team that has been together too long. They haven’t made progress, so it’s time to change things over there”

“I think (they have) good players, but sometimes, good players need different situations. For them, I think that it’s tough the way the league is changing. They play two bigs. In this day in age, Otto needs to play more four because he’s tall enough, more spacing.”

“I think they’ve had enough time, but they really haven’t (broken) through,” Dudley said. “I can see by the All-Star break or summer time one of these pieces moving. It’s going to be good for them. If it’s John, or Otto or Brad, one of them three, I think their next move is going to be good for both teams."

dudley is smart, wll beal ad otto are not bad players they are strapped with a less than ideal situation.

[Dat2U]

The only problem with tanking this season is Cleveland, New York, Atlanta & Chicago have exceedingly strong tanks this year. We'll need some stealth tanking moves in order to compete with the tanking elite.

If were keeping any of the medium three, they would need to come down with an injury.

I think the Rivers, Morris, Oubre trio can drive a pretty damn good tank as they have done so far this season.

[jbk1234]

what about this
Wall and smith
to the caves
for clarkson, korver, zizic and a second or something.
or
hill and zizic and 2 seconds.

Cavs seem pretty content to develop Sexton. I don't think we're in the market for Wall - especially after extending Love.

[Sactowndog]

The only problem with tanking this season is Cleveland, New York, Atlanta & Chicago have exceedingly strong tanks this year. We'll need some stealth tanking moves in order to compete with the tanking elite.

If were keeping any of the medium three, they would need to come down with an injury.

I think the Rivers, Morris, Oubre trio can drive a pretty damn good tank as they have done so far this season.

You only have to get to the top 4 to have the same odds of 1.

[payitforward]

Well piff we have three good young sf, 4 if you count sato. Kelley is not going to get a max deal.
so you trade Otto for the cap relief and you get Skal and Giles. Two good big young talented 4 men, a position of need on the team and a position that needs a lot of young injected into the team, if you move otto, you get younger and you get some potential on the team.

1. Oubre is not a "good young sf"; he's looking more & more like a guy who is failing to develop the BBIQ he needs to complement his athleticism. More simpy, he's playing badly -- & it's his 4th year. I don't want to give up on him, but I wouldn't want to count on him either.
2. Troy Brown Jr. is not a "good young sf." He's a rookie who's played 32 minutes in the NBA. He might have an NBA career, might be good. We don't know that. Might be a bust. Don't know that either. We're 5-11 as I write this. I'd be playing him 20+ minutes a night.
3. I don't count Sato, b/c he is a PG not a SF.
4. Skal is not a "good big young talented 4" -- he's a 3d year player who hasn't had a good year yet & is playing worse than ever -- & not playing much for that reason.
5. Harry Giles is a very talented young player who has come back from knee surgery & has looked good so far -- in the G League. If all goes well, he should be a very good player. Like you I would target him. But (essentially) straight up for Otto? No.

Now... where you are certainly right is that we have a salary problem. Yet your proposed trade doesn't even get us under the tax this year -- something we really need to do -- because it includes McLemore & Randolph.

Gambit -- I guess, if you respond further I'll have to reply. But really... maybe we should stop talking about this particular trade idea? What do you say?

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...Harry Giles is a very talented young player who has come back from knee surgery & has looked good so far -- in the G League. If all goes well, he should be a very good player....

I don't know if Sac'to would be interested, but I'd be tempted to trade our '19 R1 pick for Giles & their '19 R2 pick.

& you know I hate trading away picks.

Any thoughts? Would they be interested? Should we be? Would they do it? Would we?

Of course... not until Ernie is replaced.

[payitforward]

The only problem with tanking this season is Cleveland, New York, Atlanta & Chicago have exceedingly strong tanks this year. We'll need some stealth tanking moves in order to compete with the tanking elite.

If were keeping any of the medium three, they would need to come down with an injury.

I think the Rivers, Morris, Oubre trio can drive a pretty damn good tank as they have done so far this season.

LOL!

Rivers, Morris, Oubre, Mahinmi, Smith & Green (despite his good start; bench him if he keeps it up! ). How much better of a tank unit could you assemble than that.

If things go badly (I mean if they don't go badly enough), use our secret weapon: Jordan McRae.

[nate33]

The only problem with tanking this season is Cleveland, New York, Atlanta & Chicago have exceedingly strong tanks this year. We'll need some stealth tanking moves in order to compete with the tanking elite.

If were keeping any of the medium three, they would need to come down with an injury.

I think the Rivers, Morris, Oubre trio can drive a pretty damn good tank as they have done so far this season.

Yup. Trade Wall for filler and future picks. Have Beal sit out because of a sore pinky toe or something. Then spend the rest of the season force-feeding Porter. Maybe it'll revive him from the dead and either boost his trade value or get him back to the very good player he was the last 3 seasons. In the meantime, Porter alone isn't enough to deliver wins.

But none of this matters as long as EG is at the helm. This team is broken and the changes must start at the top. We need a new GM, a new coach, and some major roster changes. It would be insanity to put EG in charge of the rebuild.

[FAH1223]

Read on Twitter

[woosah]

Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

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Since so many of you seem to want to trade Otto Porter, we might as well look at some trade ideas that have a chance to benefit us.

Otto Porter & Jason Smith (expiring) to GS for Draymond Green, Kevon Looney, & Damian Jones.

Why for them is obvious: turns a problem (Draymond) into an asset (Porter). Looney & Jones are the cost they pay. Man would Otto ever thrive on that team! & they're smart enough to know that.

Why for us: Green's ability to shake things up might be a plus for us. He also puts Morris on the bench. Jones is showing this year why they liked him. Puts Mahinmi on the bench. Looney is the guy CCJ & I wanted in the 2015 draft. Only concern about him is do we have any rights at end of season?

If they were unwilling to part with Jones in this deal, Jordan Bell would work for me as well. Might even be willing to take Alfonzo McKinnie (I'd need to look at his college numbers first; haven't done that yet).

This trade is only worth talking about if the time comes when trading Green is the best way out of a team conflict.

[Illmatic12]

Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

Yes I think they would, but that doesn't mean they'll let themselves get robbed. So please don't be one of those posters who comes in our threads every day with lopsided trades.

My guess is Wall would have Blake Griffin-type value (two quality starters + protected 1st), and it will take close to a ransom to get Beal.

Porter's value is harder to ascertain , but Kevin O'Connor recently proposed a trade with New Orleans that involves Porter for Randle + Hill + 1st. So not huge value but it's not like they'll have to salary dump him or anything.

[payitforward]

Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

Obviously, the question is "move..." for what? But, yes, I speculate that all 3 of Wall/Beal/Porter are available.

Which do you like best, & what are some ideas of what you think you'd want to offer for any of them? (No trash, please )

[woosah]

Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

Yes I think they would, but that doesn't mean they'll let themselves get robbed. So please don't be one of those posters who comes in our threads every day with lopsided trades.

My guess is Wall would have Blake Griffin-type value (two quality starters + protected 1st), and it will take close to a ransom to get Beal.

Porter's value is harder to ascertain , but Kevin O'Connor recently proposed a trade with New Orleans that involves Porter for Randle + Hill + 1st. So not huge value but it's not like they'll have to salary dump him or anything.

No, no. I come in peace and don't have a proposal. Just trying to get a feel on how serious your fans would think they are since you would know how your FO works more than I would. Sometimes, rumors of trades make players try harder like Dragic in Miami last year. I am sure there will be tons of interest in Beal but Porter will be a hot name also. Orlando would probably have interest in Satoransky i am sure, so we would probably only be in the mix as a third party to fill a need on our team since we probably don't have enough to get into the conversation for Beal.

[FAH1223]

Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

Yes I think they would, but that doesn't mean they'll let themselves get robbed. So please don't be one of those posters who comes in our threads every day with lopsided trades.

My guess is Wall would have Blake Griffin-type value (two quality starters + protected 1st), and it will take close to a ransom to get Beal.

Porter's value is harder to ascertain , but Kevin O'Connor recently proposed a trade with New Orleans that involves Porter for Randle + Hill + 1st. So not huge value but it's not like they'll have to salary dump him or anything.

No, no. I come in peace and don't have a proposal. Just trying to get a feel on how serious your fans would think they are since you would know how your FO works more than I would. Sometimes, rumors of trades make players try harder like Dragic in Miami last year. I am sure there will be tons of interest in Beal but Porter will be a hot name also. Orlando would probably have interest in Satoransky i am sure, so we would probably only be in the mix as a third party to fill a need on our team since we probably don't have enough to get into the conversation for Beal.

We have the worst front office in the NBA.

The media would be better off highlighting that.