2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

[Pachinko_]

He always had the floater, it's just that more teams are discovering analytics and try to push shooters to the midrange. Which Luka will happily take and make all night, because that's what good shooters do (that's what Golden State does by the way, they lead the League in midrange shots)

[BlueSan]

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[BlueSan]

I’m not sure how many rookies were that clutch at the beginning of their careers. And that’s the difference if you come in Nba as Euroleague’s MVP or college kid.

His floater game is way better than it was last year. Last year in the clutch he would have relied on step back 3, now he slithers to the basket and makes that shot. Interestingly enough, it looks that its easier for him to get to the pain in the NBA, its either rules or wider court, but a lot of the doubters were dead wrong.

I spent whole last year arguing about lack of his driving and shooting numbers and differences between Euroleague and Nba. People called me being many things. And Luka is doing even much better than was my expectations. And most of the time he doesn’t even play in his best position. His ceiling is somewhere around 25/8/8 based on what we’re seeing at the moment.

how can you talk about his ceiling after less than 20% of first year played, I never got that part

[Bob8]

His floater game is way better than it was last year. Last year in the clutch he would have relied on step back 3, now he slithers to the basket and makes that shot. Interestingly enough, it looks that its easier for him to get to the pain in the NBA, its either rules or wider court, but a lot of the doubters were dead wrong.

I spent whole last year arguing about lack of his driving and shooting numbers and differences between Euroleague and Nba. People called me being many things. And Luka is doing even much better than was my expectations. And most of the time he doesn’t even play in his best position. His ceiling is somewhere around 25/8/8 based on what we’re seeing at the moment.

how can you talk about his ceiling after less than 20% of first year played, I never got that part

around and based on what we have seeing at the moment. and I agree that ceiling thing is more or less vivid imagination, but if people talk about ceiling for college players, we can talk about that for players at the beginning of their Nba careers, seeing what they’re capable of against the real Nba competition.

[BlueSan]

Of coursecyou can talk and of course ppl do but still to say it with convictionbthis early is imo jumping a gun.

[Bob8]

Of coursecyou can talk and of course ppl do but still to say it with convictionbthis early is imo jumping a gun.

I’m not native speaker, so maybe I’m wrong, but saying based on what we’re seeing at the moment, it’s crystal clear that’s not something what will happen for sure. That’s just possible or maybe even probable. It’s very reasonable to believe his no. of attempts and his usage will go up in the future, meaning more points and assists, especially if he will get the keys someday in the future. My opinion is not based only on his raw numbers, but on how he’s making them. He’s taking responsibility in every close 4th quarter in 7/8 team and he’s rather successful at that. That’s what separate him from other rookies more than actual numbers.

[guille_4]

Doncic has been improving his FT% lately, he's closer to his career average after a bad start, shooting 76.7%.

I think he will finish the season in the 78-81% range.

[Bob8]

Doncic has been improving his FT% lately, he's closer to his career average after a bad start, shooting 76.7%.

I think he will finish the season in the 78-81% range.

He had very bad start, but he’s shooting FTs 85% and 3pts 42% in last 11 games.

[juanc]

I need to ask.. Clyde is Luka still 4th on your rookie list?

[Rn5ho]

I’m not sure how many rookies were that clutch at the beginning of their careers. And that’s the difference if you come in Nba as Euroleague’s MVP or college kid.

His floater game is way better than it was last year. Last year in the clutch he would have relied on step back 3, now he slithers to the basket and makes that shot. Interestingly enough, it looks that its easier for him to get to the pain in the NBA, its either rules or wider court, but a lot of the doubters were dead wrong.

I spent whole last year arguing about lack of his driving and shooting numbers and differences between Euroleague and Nba. People called me being many things. And Luka is doing even much better than was my expectations. And most of the time he doesn’t even play in his best position. His ceiling is somewhere around 25/8/8 based on what we’re seeing at the moment.

You talking his rookie ceiling or his prime ceiling? Because those are two very different things and ceiling means it is absolute maximum he can reach and he's already shown he can go beyond 25ppg - probably not as a rookie, but when he hits prime for sure. Not saying he will, but there's no ceiling limiting him from surpassing that. Now, if you were talking rookie ceiling, that's a whole different story..

[Bob8]

His floater game is way better than it was last year. Last year in the clutch he would have relied on step back 3, now he slithers to the basket and makes that shot. Interestingly enough, it looks that its easier for him to get to the pain in the NBA, its either rules or wider court, but a lot of the doubters were dead wrong.

I spent whole last year arguing about lack of his driving and shooting numbers and differences between Euroleague and Nba. People called me being many things. And Luka is doing even much better than was my expectations. And most of the time he doesn’t even play in his best position. His ceiling is somewhere around 25/8/8 based on what we’re seeing at the moment.

You talking his rookie ceiling or his prime ceiling? Because those are two very different things and ceiling means it is absolute maximum he can reach and he's already shown he can go beyond 25ppg - probably not as a rookie, but when he hits prime for sure. Not saying he will, but there's no ceiling limiting him from surpassing that. Now, if you were talking rookie ceiling, that's a whole different story..

25 ppg as 1 years average? He didn’t show that yet. Sure everything is possible but if I have said 30/8/8, that would have been very near to GOAT and that would have been very vivid imagination. 25/8/8 is optimistic and reasonable enough for me at this moment. We must not forget that he has some athletic limitations, that might come in play in long seasons.

[Archx]

His floater game is way better than it was last year. Last year in the clutch he would have relied on step back 3, now he slithers to the basket and makes that shot. Interestingly enough, it looks that its easier for him to get to the pain in the NBA, its either rules or wider court, but a lot of the doubters were dead wrong.

I spent whole last year arguing about lack of his driving and shooting numbers and differences between Euroleague and Nba. People called me being many things. And Luka is doing even much better than was my expectations. And most of the time he doesn’t even play in his best position. His ceiling is somewhere around 25/8/8 based on what we’re seeing at the moment.

You talking his rookie ceiling or his prime ceiling? Because those are two very different things and ceiling means it is absolute maximum he can reach and he's already shown he can go beyond 25ppg - probably not as a rookie, but when he hits prime for sure. Not saying he will, but there's no ceiling limiting him from surpassing that. Now, if you were talking rookie ceiling, that's a whole different story..

He'll probably never average those assist numbers. Even if his USG% goes over 30%... He is slowly transforming himself to be their primary scorer and mostly all around guy. Don't know why people still think of him as a pure PG. He also plays with DSJ in the lineup so it's basically impossible to sustain those numbers through the whole year. His "prime" ceiling could probably be close to 30ppg and 8-10rb... but i can see him averaging max 5as, which is already decent. Obviously only if gets stronger and faster, but like i said, that's years away.
Also his ppg is lower a bit right now because he is basically getting no calls. In EU, refs protected him a lot more than they do in the NBA. So i expect FT numbers to go way up when he starts getting respect from the res. Last night GSW were hammering him the whole game and he got only 2 lousy calls.

[Bob8]

I spent whole last year arguing about lack of his driving and shooting numbers and differences between Euroleague and Nba. People called me being many things. And Luka is doing even much better than was my expectations. And most of the time he doesn’t even play in his best position. His ceiling is somewhere around 25/8/8 based on what we’re seeing at the moment.

You talking his rookie ceiling or his prime ceiling? Because those are two very different things and ceiling means it is absolute maximum he can reach and he's already shown he can go beyond 25ppg - probably not as a rookie, but when he hits prime for sure. Not saying he will, but there's no ceiling limiting him from surpassing that. Now, if you were talking rookie ceiling, that's a whole different story..

He'll probably never average those assist numbers. Even if his USG% goes over 30%... He is slowly transforming himself to be their primary scorer and mostly all around guy. Don't know why people still think of him as a pure PG. He also plays with DSJ in the lineup so it's basically impossible to sustain those numbers through the whole year. His "prime" ceiling could probably be close to 30ppg and 8-10rb... but i can see him averaging max 5as, which is already decent. Obviously only if gets stronger and faster, but like i said, that's years away.
Also his ppg is lower a bit right now because he is basically getting no calls. In EU, refs protected him a lot more than they do in the NBA. So i expect FT numbers to go way up when he starts getting respect from the res. Last night GSW were hammering him the whole game and he got only 2 lousy calls.

DSJ won’t be Mavericks playmaker in few years time, if Mavericks want to do something more than only reach playoffs and be eliminated in round 1.

[Archx]

You talking his rookie ceiling or his prime ceiling? Because those are two very different things and ceiling means it is absolute maximum he can reach and he's already shown he can go beyond 25ppg - probably not as a rookie, but when he hits prime for sure. Not saying he will, but there's no ceiling limiting him from surpassing that. Now, if you were talking rookie ceiling, that's a whole different story..

He'll probably never average those assist numbers. Even if his USG% goes over 30%... He is slowly transforming himself to be their primary scorer and mostly all around guy. Don't know why people still think of him as a pure PG. He also plays with DSJ in the lineup so it's basically impossible to sustain those numbers through the whole year. His "prime" ceiling could probably be close to 30ppg and 8-10rb... but i can see him averaging max 5as, which is already decent. Obviously only if gets stronger and faster, but like i said, that's years away.
Also his ppg is lower a bit right now because he is basically getting no calls. In EU, refs protected him a lot more than they do in the NBA. So i expect FT numbers to go way up when he starts getting respect from the res. Last night GSW were hammering him the whole game and he got only 2 lousy calls.

DSJ won’t be Mavericks playmaker in few years time, if Mavericks want to do something more than only reach playoffs and be eliminated in round 1.

You don't want Luka to be a pure PG in the NBA, he is too good for that. I like the role that he has now, i just wish they would play through him more, like they did with Nowitzki back in the days.

[Bob8]

He'll probably never average those assist numbers. Even if his USG% goes over 30%... He is slowly transforming himself to be their primary scorer and mostly all around guy. Don't know why people still think of him as a pure PG. He also plays with DSJ in the lineup so it's basically impossible to sustain those numbers through the whole year. His "prime" ceiling could probably be close to 30ppg and 8-10rb... but i can see him averaging max 5as, which is already decent. Obviously only if gets stronger and faster, but like i said, that's years away.
Also his ppg is lower a bit right now because he is basically getting no calls. In EU, refs protected him a lot more than they do in the NBA. So i expect FT numbers to go way up when he starts getting respect from the res. Last night GSW were hammering him the whole game and he got only 2 lousy calls.

DSJ won’t be Mavericks playmaker in few years time, if Mavericks want to do something more than only reach playoffs and be eliminated in round 1.

You don't want Luka to be a pure PG in the NBA, he is too good for that. I like the role that he has now, i just wish they would play through him more, like they did with Nowitzki back in the days.

Who’s talking about pure pg? Harden had 29/8/11 in one season. Is he pure pg?

[Archx]

DSJ won’t be Mavericks playmaker in few years time, if Mavericks want to do something more than only reach playoffs and be eliminated in round 1.

You don't want Luka to be a pure PG in the NBA, he is too good for that. I like the role that he has now, i just wish they would play through him more, like they did with Nowitzki back in the days.

Who’s talking about pure pg? Harden had 29/8/11 in one season. Is he pure pg?

They played without a real PG, so yeah. Mavs have DSJ and JJ.

[Bob8]

You don't want Luka to be a pure PG in the NBA, he is too good for that. I like the role that he has now, i just wish they would play through him more, like they did with Nowitzki back in the days.

Who’s talking about pure pg? Harden had 29/8/11 in one season. Is he pure pg?

They played without a real PG, so yeah. Mavs have DSJ and JJ.

Nobody knows, who will be in Mavs 3 years from now. DSJ as Pg doesn’t look very likely. My bet would be, Luka with the ball a lot in his hands.

[Ice Trae]

JJJ i'm sorry for doubting you.

[PhilBlackson]

Funny going into the draft Ayton and Bagley were the ones getting all the attention yet JJJ and WC Jr might up being the 2 best big men of their draft.

Well that's if Bamba doesn't reach his upside...what a great draft class so far.

[BAMAFREAK]

I really think JJJ could end up being the best player in this class after doubting him big time.
He’s already an eraser on d, can defend the perimeter, mid range, and is a blocking machine. When he gets a little more bulky it’s over on that end.
His offense is the most surprising to me so far. We knew he could hit the 3 and it’s starting to fall now. Mainly set shots on pick and pops but he’s shown some off dribble as well. He can also dribble drive to the rack and his finishing, while looking awkward at times, seems to be effective. But his post game has been really strong. He’s to long and quick to defend down there.
He is contributing to a winning team as the youngest player in the league already.