Woj: Wizards to consider trade overtures on entire roster, including John Wall and Beal

[TheNetsFan]

suns should go after wall. send them anderson to offset some costs (would still save wash over $100 mil).

This is the deal I have in my head if the Wizards go full rebuild. Anderson for Wall straight up.

[TheNetsFan]

How about Wiggins + Teague + filler (Bates-Diop?) for Wall + Mahinmi?

Wiz take on a negative value but significantly smaller max money contract of Wiggins who’s still got potential for the gigantic Wall max and they get the middle of the pack starting pg in Teague who’s got player option next year (Wiz can see if it works so they resign him or not at the end of next season), and we take on Ian who’s a negative contract himself.

Imo it’s a risk for Wolves which can pay off because they want an upgrade at PG to compete in the next 4-5 years, and they lack a strong inside presence to bang with big C’s which Towns nor Dieng are capable of.

Wiz can go small ball with Teague-Beal-Wigs-Porter-Dwight a la Orlando Magic but there are concerns about defense.

Wizards should probably do this.

Why would the Wolves do it? They finally free KAT from Butler's attitude only to replace it with Wall's?

[jbk1234]

How about Wiggins + Teague + filler (Bates-Diop?) for Wall + Mahinmi?

Wiz take on a negative value but significantly smaller max money contract of Wiggins who’s still got potential for the gigantic Wall max and they get the middle of the pack starting pg in Teague who’s got player option next year (Wiz can see if it works so they resign him or not at the end of next season), and we take on Ian who’s a negative contract himself.

Imo it’s a risk for Wolves which can pay off because they want an upgrade at PG to compete in the next 4-5 years, and they lack a strong inside presence to bang with big C’s which Towns nor Dieng are capable of.

Wiz can go small ball with Teague-Beal-Wigs-Porter-Dwight a la Orlando Magic but there are concerns about defense.

Wizards should probably do this.

Why would the Wolves do it? They finally free KAT from Butler's attitude only to replace it with Wall's?

A Wolves fan posted it. They're frustrated with Wiggins not developing his game and meh effort/attitude.

[Sixerscan]

It’s pretty egregious that James Jones cut Chandler as a favor to Lebron. They could really use his salary as filler in a trade for one of these guys.

But tanking for half decade was ok?

lol what? I’m saying it was a dumb move. Not making some sort of childish morality appeal.

[Chinook]

Okay - so Wall only makes $19M this season - is that all that would have to be salary matched in a trade? And how would things work for an acquiring team w/ how much his salary jumps next year? Would they be allowed to go into the cap for that extra money if they are at or over the cap?

If he’d be willing to waive the trade kicker and teams can go into the cap next season w/ only matching $19K this season, I could see a deal getting done. There are lots of teams in need of a good guard. Maybe San Antonio would have interest - I could see Pop really liking him and thinking he could get the most out of him.

No directed explicitly at you, NBAFan93, but what is it with these trade ideas of SA taking on other teams' cast offs? First Melo (?!) and now Wall. I'm not comparing them as I think JW is a very good player, but he'll be 29 when that soon-to-be toxic contract starts. We've purposefully shed salary (particularly length) and gotten younger at the PG position. Although Dejounte is recovering from an injury presently, he's on a rookie contract and coming off an impressive NBA All-Defensive Second Team nod, the youngest to do so. I think we're good.

Yeah - but Murray is out for the entire season and they are trying to win now. Is SAS really okay w/ standing put w/ their existing roster for this season? Wall could move them close to being an actual contender...

And SAS does have a pretty good track record of turning around cast offs.

Yes, especially over absolutely torpedoing their roster with Wall. The Spurs will have to pay Murray after next year. I strongly doubt they have interest in paying two PGs so much. Washington has a number of wings who could be interesting to the Spurs, but not Wall. Like I'd much rather do a Batum trade rather than a Wall trade, and I consider Batum to be a huge negative on his deal.

[TeamTragic]

Yeah, get ready for underwhelming offers for Wall.

Beale should be able to get a decent package back, they wouldn’t include him in the Butler discussions

This season just keeps getting longer. First Butler and now Beal/Wall.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Pelicans should trade for Wall.

What about Randle, an expiring and a first round pick?

Better than nothing.

Pelicans need another all star to keep Davis.

[PhilBlackson]

Pelicans should trade for Wall.

What about Randle, an expiring and a first round pick?

Better than nothing.

Pelicans need another all star to keep Davis.

Hell no they shouldn't! lol

They already have Jrue.

What they need is more shooting so if anything it should be BEAL or maybe Porter or Oubre. Wall is going to be one of the most God awful contracts in the league soon n he's not a substantial upgrade over Jrue (if at all) with a skillset they don't need not to mention injury prone.

[Hugi Mancura]

How about Wiggins + Teague + filler (Bates-Diop?) for Wall + Mahinmi?

Wiz take on a negative value but significantly smaller max money contract of Wiggins who’s still got potential for the gigantic Wall max and they get the middle of the pack starting pg in Teague who’s got player option next year (Wiz can see if it works so they resign him or not at the end of next season), and we take on Ian who’s a negative contract himself.

Imo it’s a risk for Wolves which can pay off because they want an upgrade at PG to compete in the next 4-5 years, and they lack a strong inside presence to bang with big C’s which Towns nor Dieng are capable of.

Wiz can go small ball with Teague-Beal-Wigs-Porter-Dwight a la Orlando Magic but there are concerns about defense.

Wizards should probably do this.

Why would the Wolves do it? They finally free KAT from Butler's attitude only to replace it with Wall's?

Because reasons for their attitude's are different. Butler didn't like the effort, but I don't think that's Wall's reason for his attitude. So it might not happen in Minnesota. To be honest not sure what caused that wizards fighting.

Minnesota is actually the only team I think might bite on Wall's current contract (maybe some others like Miami). That big payday doesn't matter if owner is willing to pay it. Minnesota most likely will be over or very near salary cap with Wiggins/KAT contracts, so they most likely won't be on big name FA market anyway. So you might as well take Wall's huge contract and try to make it big with those 3. Have Wolves lost their faith on Wiggins? If not I think they can send someone else with Teague to other way. Someone who they think they don't need in the future (Dieng/Gibson).

Because other teams like to keep their cap space I don't see teams trading for Wall. Suns and Bulls might want some PG action, but also they like to keep their FA options open, so they don't touch big and long contracts. Some other teams also might eat Wall's contract, but they all ready have their PG.

[slick_watts]

i'm surprised at some of the wizards fans' takes on otto porter. he's had a bad start to the year but he's been so good the last two, one of the best shooters in the league and versatile defensive player. they would be foolish to trade him.

[datstockton]

Yeah Otto is underrated overall. He's a seamless fit on nearly every playoff team. Very good 3+D guy.

I really like the fit of Beal on the Lakers. I think all the young players should be on the table to acquire Beal. The question is can they get salaries to match so they will still have another max slot available for this summer after adding Beal?

[OdomFan]

I really thinik Wall would play well next to Giannis.

[ishoy123]

How about Wiggins + Teague + filler (Bates-Diop?) for Wall + Mahinmi?

Wiz take on a negative value but significantly smaller max money contract of Wiggins who’s still got potential for the gigantic Wall max and they get the middle of the pack starting pg in Teague who’s got player option next year (Wiz can see if it works so they resign him or not at the end of next season), and we take on Ian who’s a negative contract himself.

Imo it’s a risk for Wolves which can pay off because they want an upgrade at PG to compete in the next 4-5 years, and they lack a strong inside presence to bang with big C’s which Towns nor Dieng are capable of.

Wiz can go small ball with Teague-Beal-Wigs-Porter-Dwight a la Orlando Magic but there are concerns about defense.

Wizards should probably do this.

Why would the Wolves do it? They finally free KAT from Butler's attitude only to replace it with Wall's?

Because KAT + Wiggins is the definition of a treadmill team.

[Effigy]

I think the Magic should get involved for Wall. Something involving Vucevek's expiring contract, and go from there. Conditional picks, a young player like Isaac, something like that, etc.

[House12]

No directed explicitly at you, NBAFan93, but what is it with these trade ideas of SA taking on other teams' cast offs? First Melo (?!) and now Wall. I'm not comparing them as I think JW is a very good player, but he'll be 29 when that soon-to-be toxic contract starts. We've purposefully shed salary (particularly length) and gotten younger at the PG position. Although Dejounte is recovering from an injury presently, he's on a rookie contract and coming off an impressive NBA All-Defensive Second Team nod, the youngest to do so. I think we're good.

Yeah - but Murray is out for the entire season and they are trying to win now. Is SAS really okay w/ standing put w/ their existing roster for this season? Wall could move them close to being an actual contender...

And SAS does have a pretty good track record of turning around cast offs.

Yes, especially over absolutely torpedoing their roster with Wall. The Spurs will have to pay Murray after next year. I strongly doubt they have interest in paying two PGs so much. Washington has a number of wings who could be interesting to the Spurs, but not Wall. Like I'd much rather do a Batum trade rather than a Wall trade, and I consider Batum to be a huge negative on his deal.

Spurs would have a terribly imbalanced roster with no spacing.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Came to say the same, they have a bunch of young guys to run with him and look like they could be a borderline .500 ish team this year so their pick won't be that great to begin with.

I think the Magic should get involved for Wall. Something involving Vucevek's expiring contract, and go from there. Conditional picks, a young player like Isaac, something like that, etc.

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[bargnanimvp]

I think the Magic should get involved for Wall. Something involving Vucevek's expiring contract, and go from there. Conditional picks, a young player like Isaac, something like that, etc.

I don't see them wanting to break up the young guys right now but vucevic, fournier, simmons, ross and picks could be on the table for wall or beal i'd imagine. If i'm a washington fan i say no to those guys but if they really want to move him and the price is too high for everyone else it could be a good market for orlando.

[Effigy]

I think the Magic should get involved for Wall. Something involving Vucevek's expiring contract, and go from there. Conditional picks, a young player like Isaac, something like that, etc.

I don't see them wanting to break up the young guys right now but vucevic, fournier, simmons, ross and picks could be on the table for wall or beal i'd imagine. If i'm a washington fan i say no to those guys but if they really want to move him and the price is too high for everyone else it could be a good market for orlando.

Well Vuc is valuable, because he's an expiring. They'd need to chip in something else though, if not a young player, then a conditional first, maybe lottery protected till 2030 or something.

But I get not wanting to trade young players after what happened with Oladipo. Blazer fans were terrified of trading young talent for years after the Jermaine O'Neal trade.

[bargnanimvp]

I think the Magic should get involved for Wall. Something involving Vucevek's expiring contract, and go from there. Conditional picks, a young player like Isaac, something like that, etc.

I don't see them wanting to break up the young guys right now but vucevic, fournier, simmons, ross and picks could be on the table for wall or beal i'd imagine. If i'm a washington fan i say no to those guys but if they really want to move him and the price is too high for everyone else it could be a good market for orlando.

Well Vuc is valuable, because he's an expiring. They'd need to chip in something else though, if not a young player, then a conditional first, maybe lottery protected till 2030 or something.

But I get not wanting to trade young players after what happened with Oladipo. Blazer fans were terrified of trading young talent for years after the Jermaine O'Neal trade.

It's not just that, bamba and isaac in particular are weham's guys and they talk extremely highly of their futures. I just don't see them moving them this early into their careers. I agree logic says they need to chip in more which is why i don't think a deal between them will happen but we'll see.

[Poohdini1]

Is there any real tangible reason to trade Beal? He just turned 25 and hasn't indicated wanting to leave. Any rebuild you do he's young enough to go through it.

I would dangle him out there just to see what teams are offering and force them to bid against each other. If you can get a King's ransom for Beal (multiple young prospects + future picks) you have to consider it imo

But they obviously won't just give him away for nothing. Teams have to come to the table with serious offers.

Not 100% sure on this but didn't they tell the Thunder he was untouchable when they were shopping Harden?