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Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1501 » by WeAreVenom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:31 pm

I think we all want the same thing, just for the team to be good again.

We may disagree on how to get there, but we all want the same goal.
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Post#1502 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:08 pm

Skybox wrote:If they are blowing up WAS, they want picks. Mozgov and Simmons + unprotected 2019 first rd pick and OKC frp.

Mozgov matches salary and expires earlier. Simmons is only guaranteed $1m. 2 big picks. That may not be enough. We'll improve instantly, so the 2019 pick devalues. Even if it was late lottery, it's not going to be another Beal unless someone picks really well.

Could substitute Evan for Moz, but I'd maybe want to add lottery protection or expand it a bit for Satoransky or something of possible value.


If that's the offer For Beal then Wash slams the phone on you. If that's the deal for Wall they probably accept. No way we should take Wall though.
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Post#1503 » by woosah » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:18 pm

The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.

ah well, Raps tonight. Let's see if the effort continues.
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Post#1504 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:04 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:Those of you hoping for Beal or Kemba or even Wall, it is highly unlikely a team trades an all star within its division. Don’t want to see them 4 times a year coming back for vengeance and beating them in the standings. Look what happened with Kawai and Butler. Even in the conference is not preferred but definitely within the division either requires a slam dunk offer (which we wouldn’t want us to make) or complete desperation (which won’t happen with Beal or Kemba). If they are moved I would look for them to go West. We should be looking to the Western conference for potential all star or top prospect level trade opportunities for the Magic.


That is valid point but Wizards are not in situation to choose what they want to do, their whole team is collapsing and they need to take best offer. Getting crushed by ex player in rebuilding years is good, 4 easy Ls in tank city. :lol:
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Post#1506 » by RookieStar » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:29 pm

woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.

ah well, Raps tonight. Let's see if the effort continues.

I must have missed it. What's the rumored deal between CHA?
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Post#1507 » by OrlandoDream » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:37 pm

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woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.

ah well, Raps tonight. Let's see if the effort continues.

I must have missed it. What's the rumored deal between CHA?

Its nothing but some fake Hornet fan accounts saying a deal is close for Monk, picks and filler for the young perennial all star. Complete smokescreen to get the beal offers to come and to say they tried to pair up Kemba with a star.

If the really wanted, Boston could get Beal. However we all know they are saving their offer for AD.
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Post#1508 » by woosah » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:39 pm

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woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.

ah well, Raps tonight. Let's see if the effort continues.

I must have missed it. What's the rumored deal between CHA?


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Post#1509 » by WeAreVenom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:53 pm

If Kemba ever wants to actualize his potential, he'll leave Charlotte.
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Post#1510 » by NavalAviator94 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:37 am

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woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.

ah well, Raps tonight. Let's see if the effort continues.

I must have missed it. What's the rumored deal between CHA?

Its nothing but some fake Hornet fan accounts saying a deal is close for Monk, picks and filler for the young perennial all star. Complete smokescreen to get the beal offers to come and to say they tried to pair up Kemba with a star.

If the really wanted, Boston could get Beal. However we all know they are saving their offer for AD.


Yep and then they make the trade only to lose AD to an Achilles rupture.


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Post#1511 » by NavalAviator94 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:40 am

WeAreVenom wrote:If Kemba ever wants to actualize his potential, he'll leave Charlotte.


Barring some run or trade they get lucky with, he’s gone. I would bet money that Charlotte trades him at the deadline vs letting him walk for nothing.


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Post#1512 » by SOUL » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:12 am

Would you guys trade Simmons for Hezonja? :D
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Post#1513 » by Jiwol » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:07 am

woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.


Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.
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Post#1514 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:05 am

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woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.


Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.

I didn't say we weren't, but that i wanted to HEAR that we are. Yeah i know we wouldn't tell it but that doesn't mean it couldn't come out from WAS side, even if it is just our name in a "several teams are interested" type of report.
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Post#1515 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:58 pm

SOUL wrote:Would you guys trade Simmons for Hezonja? :D

I... I would...I actually would


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Post#1516 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:45 pm

Jiwol wrote:
woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.


Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.


Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.
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Post#1517 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:47 pm

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WeAreVenom wrote:If Kemba ever wants to actualize his potential, he'll leave Charlotte.


Barring some run or trade they get lucky with, he’s gone. I would bet money that Charlotte trades him at the deadline vs letting him walk for nothing.


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Post#1518 » by YosemiteSam » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:49 pm

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Jiwol wrote:
woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.


Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.


Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.


I'd trade Gordon and our 2019 1st rounder Top 5 protected. Yes I would. Beal fits perfectly. Then shop Fournier to see what we can get
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Post#1519 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:51 pm

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Jiwol wrote:
Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.


Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.


I'd trade Gordon and our 2019 1st rounder Top 5 protected. Yes I would. Beal fits perfectly. Then shop Fournier to see what we can get


Personally, I would trade Isaac and a Top 3 protected for Beal. Because, Magic would probably be a playoff team and our future 1st won't be that low anyways. Just sounds better on paper. AG is so much better than Isaac to me.
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Post#1520 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:53 pm

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woosah wrote:The rumored deal for Beal from Charlotte doesn't seem so amazing. At least they are trying. That's what i was hoping to hear, that we made some sort of attempt.


Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.


Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.

I almost made a thread asking which of BIG would you consider giving up if we could get Beal, but i don't really think he's gonna get traded. I agree that it would likely take one of those to get him though.
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