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Post#1521 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:58 pm

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Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.


Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.

I almost made a thread asking which of BIG would you consider giving up if we could get Beal, but i don't really think he's gonna get traded. I agree that it would likely take one of those to get him though.


Above I meantioned it would have to be Isaac for me. If you look at 2nd year stats, AG beats Isaac in every category except blocks. Isaac is the better defender, but he has very poor handles compared to AG and is horrid at shooting 3's. I take AG and trade Isaac 9 times out of 10 every time.
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Post#1522 » by VFX » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:59 pm

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Well, how do you know WeHam are not trying? They usually don't leak anything.

But I agree that we can offer more enticing package than Hornets for Beal. Our 2019 FRP + OKC pick + Fournier (if they want talent) or Ross+Simms (if they want salary dump) looks better than Hornets offer.


Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.

I almost made a thread asking which of BIG would you consider giving up if we could get Beal, but i don't really think he's gonna get traded. I agree that it would likely take one of those to get him though.


Considering AG’s salary is the only one that could actually match Beals and balance their roster, it’s the only answer to your question. Management wouldn’t give up on Isaac or Bamba one or two years into their rookie contract.
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Post#1523 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:06 pm

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Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.

I almost made a thread asking which of BIG would you consider giving up if we could get Beal, but i don't really think he's gonna get traded. I agree that it would likely take one of those to get him though.


Considering AG’s salary is the only one that could actually match Beals and balance their roster, it’s the only answer to your question. Management wouldn’t give up on Isaac or Bamba one or two years into their rookie contract.

No it's not. I have seen fans propose one of the young ones in combination with Ross or Fournier. Yeah i don't think the FO would do it and AG isn't their guy so I am sure he would be their choice, but some fans may have other preferences and that's what i was curious about. Some fans wanted to keep Beal with AG.

Edit to add: It just makes you wonder if WAS countered and wanted Isaac or Bamba and one of the expirings would our FO still do the deal. It would help to see how they value Beal. That would never get out though because they would get roasted by those who value Beal enough to still pull the trigger.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1524 » by YosemiteSam » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:16 pm

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Many teams can offer a helluva lot better than Fournier or Ross plus a late 1st rounder for Beal. Try again. Magic would have to give up a Magic first and one of BIG as a starter plus some to even be considered.


I'd trade Gordon and our 2019 1st rounder Top 5 protected. Yes I would. Beal fits perfectly. Then shop Fournier to see what we can get


Personally, I would trade Isaac and a Top 3 protected for Beal. Because, Magic would probably be a playoff team and our future 1st won't be that low anyways. Just sounds better on paper. AG is so much better than Isaac to me.


Well since I just started a thread saying I think Isaac has the potential to be a transformative player I can't agree with you, but I under your rationale and conclusion. I think AG and Isaac play the same position long term, and I'd bet on Isaac so that's why I trade AG
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Post#1525 » by NavalAviator94 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:51 pm

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WeAreVenom wrote:If Kemba ever wants to actualize his potential, he'll leave Charlotte.


Barring some run or trade they get lucky with, he’s gone. I would bet money that Charlotte trades him at the deadline vs letting him walk for nothing.


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Keep dreaming. There is about a zero chance Kemba leaves Charlotte. Jordan going to give him max contract where no other team can match. Kemba ain't going nowhere.


He's going to get a max contract anywhere he goes. He can do a shorter contract like several players in the upper echelon have done. The money isn't that much different, especially when you compare no state tax to a state like NC that is 5.75%.

That team isn't going anywhere for atleast 2 more years which is a waste of prime Kemba. Ofcourse everyone in Charlotte wants him to stay and I'm sure Kemba does as well, but he's at a point in his career where players at his level think about their legacy.
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Post#1526 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:05 pm

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Barring some run or trade they get lucky with, he’s gone. I would bet money that Charlotte trades him at the deadline vs letting him walk for nothing.


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Keep dreaming. There is about a zero chance Kemba leaves Charlotte. Jordan going to give him max contract where no other team can match. Kemba ain't going nowhere.


He's going to get a max contract anywhere he goes. He can do a shorter contract like several players in the upper echelon have done. The money isn't that much different, especially when you compare no state tax to a state like NC that is 5.75%.

That team isn't going anywhere for atleast 2 more years which is a waste of prime Kemba. Ofcourse everyone in Charlotte wants him to stay and I'm sure Kemba does as well, but he's at a point in his career where players at his level think about their legacy.

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Kemba will be 29 and isn't heralded like the other players. I highly doubt he would go the short contract route. Dude may be eligible for a supermax which is considerably more than a max that an outside team can offer. That said, Jordan is really rolling the dice because he is notoriously not willing to spend this kind of money. Will be interesting to watch as the deadline approaches.
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Post#1527 » by VFX » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:19 pm

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woosah wrote:I almost made a thread asking which of BIG would you consider giving up if we could get Beal, but i don't really think he's gonna get traded. I agree that it would likely take one of those to get him though.


Considering AG’s salary is the only one that could actually match Beals and balance their roster, it’s the only answer to your question. Management wouldn’t give up on Isaac or Bamba one or two years into their rookie contract.

No it's not. I have seen fans propose one of the young ones in combination with Ross or Fournier. Yeah i don't think the FO would do it and AG isn't their guy so I am sure he would be their choice, but some fans may have other preferences and that's what i was curious about. Some fans wanted to keep Beal with AG.

Edit to add: It just makes you wonder if WAS countered and wanted Isaac or Bamba and one of the expirings would our FO still do the deal. It would help to see how they value Beal. That would never get out though because they would get roasted by those who value Beal enough to still pull the trigger.


Yeah fans might want to keep AG and Beal, but it doesn’t mean Washington would actually pull the trigger on Isaac or Bamba + filler for a young great player and their best trade piece. There isn’t enough on the roster outside of the 2019 first that would equal that out without AG and 2-3 other players (that aren’t that valuable).

It would also be a seriously bad look for the FO to trade their only big moves (drafted players) for a slight upgrade at SG for the sake of it. Fans might not believe it (or like it), but JI and Bamba are pretty much untouchable considering this FO has invested in them for the future.
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Post#1528 » by rcklsscognition » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:27 pm

TIL that the Orlando Magic currently hold the 1st, 12th, and 14th spot for best offensive rating of a 5-man squad playing 100 or more minutes over the season. Basically two of our starting lineups and our bench squad all rank in the top 14 of the entire NBA in offensive rating, with our newest starting lineup (with Iwundu) being the best lineup in the NBA for offense.

The 12th ranked squad is our starters with Isaac instead of Iwundu.

The 14th ranked squad is Ross, AG, Simmons, Bamba, and Grant.
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Post#1529 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:32 pm

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Considering AG’s salary is the only one that could actually match Beals and balance their roster, it’s the only answer to your question. Management wouldn’t give up on Isaac or Bamba one or two years into their rookie contract.

No it's not. I have seen fans propose one of the young ones in combination with Ross or Fournier. Yeah i don't think the FO would do it and AG isn't their guy so I am sure he would be their choice, but some fans may have other preferences and that's what i was curious about. Some fans wanted to keep Beal with AG.

Edit to add: It just makes you wonder if WAS countered and wanted Isaac or Bamba and one of the expirings would our FO still do the deal. It would help to see how they value Beal. That would never get out though because they would get roasted by those who value Beal enough to still pull the trigger.


Yeah fans might want to keep AG and Beal, but it doesn’t mean Washington would actually pull the trigger on Isaac or Bamba + filler for a young great player and their best trade piece. There isn’t enough on the roster outside of the 2019 first that would equal that out without AG and 2-3 other players (that aren’t that valuable).

It would also be a seriously bad look for the FO to trade their only big moves (drafted players) for a slight upgrade at SG for the sake of it. Fans might not believe it (or like it), but JI and Bamba are pretty much untouchable considering this FO has invested in them for the future.

As i already said, I don't think WAS is really willing to trade Beal, but you think Beal is only a slight upgrade at SG? Well, that would be why it would be a good discussion. I don't know how bad it would look when people aren't exactly complimentary of the front office so far, and the rumors of us trying to trade up this past draft for another player doesn't reflect that they were all in on Bamba. They took what they could get at that spot after the real target was gone. You can spin it either way. If they saw Beal as that type of player then it would look like they were trying to upgrade this roster and they would say they took advantage of an opportunity to land an allstar.
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Post#1530 » by VFX » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:29 pm

woosah wrote:
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woosah wrote:No it's not. I have seen fans propose one of the young ones in combination with Ross or Fournier. Yeah i don't think the FO would do it and AG isn't their guy so I am sure he would be their choice, but some fans may have other preferences and that's what i was curious about. Some fans wanted to keep Beal with AG.

Edit to add: It just makes you wonder if WAS countered and wanted Isaac or Bamba and one of the expirings would our FO still do the deal. It would help to see how they value Beal. That would never get out though because they would get roasted by those who value Beal enough to still pull the trigger.


Yeah fans might want to keep AG and Beal, but it doesn’t mean Washington would actually pull the trigger on Isaac or Bamba + filler for a young great player and their best trade piece. There isn’t enough on the roster outside of the 2019 first that would equal that out without AG and 2-3 other players (that aren’t that valuable).

It would also be a seriously bad look for the FO to trade their only big moves (drafted players) for a slight upgrade at SG for the sake of it. Fans might not believe it (or like it), but JI and Bamba are pretty much untouchable considering this FO has invested in them for the future.

As i already said, I don't think WAS is really willing to trade Beal, but you think Beal is only a slight upgrade at SG? Well, that would be why it would be a good discussion. I don't know how bad it would look when people aren't exactly complimentary of the front office so far, and the rumors of us trying to trade up this past draft for another player doesn't reflect that they were all in on Bamba. They took what they could get at that spot after the real target was gone. You can spin it either way. If they saw Beal as that type of player then it would look like they were trying to upgrade this roster and they would say they took advantage of an opportunity to land an allstar.


To that end, I believe Beal is definitely a better player than Fournier and an upgrade. That being said, he’s not so much of an upgrade that Orlando trades their 1st round pick + more assets from an already lacking talent pool.

Beal - PTS 21.8 TRB 4.5 AST 3.7
Fournier - PTS 17 TRB 2.9 AST 4.2

They are both roughly the same age. I don’t think I would give up a 1st + more tradable assets for that upgrade in production albeit obviously better. Point guard and SF are the most glaring weaknesses on this roster and having Bamba and Isaac on rookie contracts is extremely valuable in a rebuild.
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Post#1531 » by Nightman » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:35 pm

Haven't seen this article posted yet: The Five Most Interesting Teams in the NBA in Week 6

Orlando Magic (9-9)
And now, for the last team to beat LeBron’s Lakers — one clearly determined to make a mockery of the Five Most Interesting Teams of the Week.

After hanging 131 and 130 on the Lakers and Knicks, respectively, last weekend, the Magic ranked 12th in the NBA in non-garbage-time offensive efficiency, according to Cleaning the Glass. (They dropped to 18th, just a tick below league average, after Tuesday’s loss to Toronto.) That, frankly, is astonishing. Orlando doesn’t employ a bona-fide-star offensive focal point, though center Nikola Vucevic — who’s averaging 20 points, 11.2 rebounds, and 3.6 assists per game while shooting a scorching 55.4 percent from the field and 42.2 percent from 3-point range — might beg to differ. And it has handed nearly all of its minutes to point guard to D.J. Augustin, whose ceiling tops out at “serviceable but unremarkable veteran,” and Jerian Grant, who aspires to that lofty goal. So how the hell are the Magic doing this?

Knowing his lead guards are caretakers and not rainmakers, Steve Clifford has democratized the Magic attack, emboldening Orlando’s bigs and wings to take on a larger share of the playmaking responsibility within the confines of the half-court offense. Not everybody’s seeing more of the ball; Aaron Gordon’s touches are down a bit from last season, Jonathon Simmons’s are down by a lot, and the Magic actually average fewer passes per game than last season. But nearly everybody seems to be doing more with the ball when they get it.

Orlando ranks in the top five in assists, secondary assists (the pass that leads to the pass that leads to the basket), and points created via direct assist. Gordon, Simmons, Vucevic, and swingmen Evan Fournier and Terrence Ross are all assisting on their teammates’ baskets more frequently than ever. The starting five of Vucevic, Gordon, Fournier, Augustin, and second-year small forward Wesley Iwundu has locked into a dynamite rhythm, scoring a blistering 120.3 points per 100 possessions, the highest offensive rating of any lineup in the league that has logged at least 100 minutes.

Gordon and Vucevic have developed a nice chemistry on the secondary break, with Gordon looking for opportunities to feed the big man when he runs the floor and seals his defender deep in the post. Fournier’s a crafty facilitator in the pick-and-roll with a great sense of how and when to lead his roller into scoring chances. Clifford loves to get Ross rocketing out of the right corner for a dribble handoff heading to the middle of the floor, betting that the sight of him barreling into the lane will force a defender to help, creating either a dump-off pass to an uncovered big underneath for a layup or an easy kickout to a shooter in the weakside corner. Even young bigs Jonathan Isaac and Mo Bamba have the freedom to work from the elbows and look to make high-low feeds.

The Magic move a lot — only six teams cover more ground per game on offense — and they love to roast sleeping defenses with off-ball cuts:


Orlando isn’t among the league’s highest-volume 3-point shooting teams; it ranks 15th in makes per game and 15th in attempts. But proper spacing combined with a commitment to making the extra pass has resulted in a lot of clean looks. Eighty-nine-point-four percent of the Magic’s 3-point attempts have been either open or wide open, according to NBA.com’s shot charting, and while they’ve shot a below-average 35.2 percent on those tries, you’d imagine that number will tick up if they keep creating them:


Only three teams take a higher share of their shots from the midrange than the Magic, and only three take fewer attempts at the rim, so the Magic offense could taper off if Vucevic stops looking like a one-man army and Augustin stops hitting 46.3 percent of his 3s. (That’s especially true if Orlando can’t start getting more free points; no team has a lower free throw rate.) But while a final-second loss to the East-leading Raptors on Tuesday dropped them to .500, there just seems to be a certain crispness and professionalism to this Orlando team that previous iterations have lacked. If they can keep the ball and body movement up while keeping their turnovers down, a trademark of Clifford’s Charlotte teams, the Magic might prove that their strong offensive start is more than just smoke and mirrors.
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Post#1532 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:47 pm

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woosah wrote:As i already said, I don't think WAS is really willing to trade Beal, but you think Beal is only a slight upgrade at SG? Well, that would be why it would be a good discussion. I don't know how bad it would look when people aren't exactly complimentary of the front office so far, and the rumors of us trying to trade up this past draft for another player doesn't reflect that they were all in on Bamba. They took what they could get at that spot after the real target was gone. You can spin it either way. If they saw Beal as that type of player then it would look like they were trying to upgrade this roster and they would say they took advantage of an opportunity to land an allstar.


To that end, I believe Beal is definitely a better player than Fournier and an upgrade. That being said, he’s not so much of an upgrade that Orlando trades their 1st round pick + more assets from an already lacking talent pool.

Beal - PTS 21.8 TRB 4.5 AST 3.7
Fournier - PTS 17 TRB 2.9 AST 4.2

They are both roughly the same age. I don’t think I would give up a 1st + more tradable assets for that upgrade in production albeit obviously better. Point guard and SF are the most glaring weaknesses on this roster and having Bamba and Isaac on rookie contracts is extremely valuable in a rebuild.

I guess i wouldn't look at it as spending a 1st for a few more points from a position. It doesn't kill the future if 2 of the 3 would still be here. I would consider it to get an allstar and possibly make us more attractive to other FAs later. We would have an allstar, and a possible in Gordon if he continues to grow and be coached. We could still grow and win while doing it.
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Post#1533 » by VFX » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:19 pm

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woosah wrote:As i already said, I don't think WAS is really willing to trade Beal, but you think Beal is only a slight upgrade at SG? Well, that would be why it would be a good discussion. I don't know how bad it would look when people aren't exactly complimentary of the front office so far, and the rumors of us trying to trade up this past draft for another player doesn't reflect that they were all in on Bamba. They took what they could get at that spot after the real target was gone. You can spin it either way. If they saw Beal as that type of player then it would look like they were trying to upgrade this roster and they would say they took advantage of an opportunity to land an allstar.


To that end, I believe Beal is definitely a better player than Fournier and an upgrade. That being said, he’s not so much of an upgrade that Orlando trades their 1st round pick + more assets from an already lacking talent pool.

Beal - PTS 21.8 TRB 4.5 AST 3.7
Fournier - PTS 17 TRB 2.9 AST 4.2

They are both roughly the same age. I don’t think I would give up a 1st + more tradable assets for that upgrade in production albeit obviously better. Point guard and SF are the most glaring weaknesses on this roster and having Bamba and Isaac on rookie contracts is extremely valuable in a rebuild.

I guess i wouldn't look at it as spending a 1st for a few more points from a position. It doesn't kill the future if 2 of the 3 would still be here. I would consider it to get an allstar and possibly make us more attractive to other FAs later. We would have an allstar, and a possible in Gordon if he continues to grow and be coached. We could still grow and win while doing it.


This is where I disagree. Beal is good, but not a big enough name to draw in Free agents. Hell, Washington can still barely do that with Beal and Wall on the roster. Id be willing to guess one of Isaac, Bamba, and AG are going to go at some point, and my money isn’t going to be on one of the picks currently drafted on rookie scale deals. Like any other organization the fans overvalue what other teams will find valuable.
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Post#1534 » by woosah » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:
To that end, I believe Beal is definitely a better player than Fournier and an upgrade. That being said, he’s not so much of an upgrade that Orlando trades their 1st round pick + more assets from an already lacking talent pool.

Beal - PTS 21.8 TRB 4.5 AST 3.7
Fournier - PTS 17 TRB 2.9 AST 4.2

They are both roughly the same age. I don’t think I would give up a 1st + more tradable assets for that upgrade in production albeit obviously better. Point guard and SF are the most glaring weaknesses on this roster and having Bamba and Isaac on rookie contracts is extremely valuable in a rebuild.

I guess i wouldn't look at it as spending a 1st for a few more points from a position. It doesn't kill the future if 2 of the 3 would still be here. I would consider it to get an allstar and possibly make us more attractive to other FAs later. We would have an allstar, and a possible in Gordon if he continues to grow and be coached. We could still grow and win while doing it.


This is where I disagree. Beal is good, but not a big enough name to draw in Free agents. Hell, Washington can still barely do that with Beal and Wall on the roster. Id be willing to guess one of Isaac, Bamba, and AG are going to go at some point, and my money isn’t going to be on one of the picks currently drafted on rookie scale deals. Like any other organization the fans overvalue what other teams will find valuable.

Alright. I don't think it's about name draw. Washington doesn't have money that's why the FA haven't really had a chance to pick them. Same with teams like new orleans and charlotte who have a good player but haven't managed the money so great. FA won't look at ORL imo as long as they are trending down and cannot win. Last time we did have money we couldn't even get a nonstar, but good player in Milsap to even look at us. We had to sign the DJ's and Jeff Green's of the world. Beal gives credibility and with winning we trend upward. Agree to disagree though, and we will look at it in hindsight if they do end up dealing Beal.
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Post#1535 » by pepe1991 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:09 pm

Wizards have no cap space to do anything. For last 2 years,

Three major F-ups happend.
1. Ian Mahinmi contract.

2. Porter/alternative
Instad of paying Bogdanovic 1+1 deal ( $10M ,second year team option) that he signed for Pacers later, they decided to dump $107M on Otto Porter. Who,btw, isn't even upgrade.

3. Wall
To double it down on stupidty they gave Wall the biggest nba exension with all the trade kickers and bonuses player can have.

Out of nowhere team with Porter, Wall and Beal and not much else ended up in situaton where 4 players, Wall,Beal, Porter and Mahinmi make $86M. They are the highest payed team in nba this year.

Next year with Wall's contract going up to $37M, Beal Porter and Wall would make $94 of projected $109M salary. Good luck adding any other valuable asset to that salary. They simply can't add anybody in FA, all they can do is trade and resign , or sign for MLE/ league's minimum.


And i think Beal is star player, not top tear star but type of player that can play on most nba contenders. Given his age, contract and skillset he would be instant upgrade over any perimeter Magic player and probably best Magic player overall.
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Post#1536 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:50 pm

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Barring some run or trade they get lucky with, he’s gone. I would bet money that Charlotte trades him at the deadline vs letting him walk for nothing.


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Keep dreaming. There is about a zero chance Kemba leaves Charlotte. Jordan going to give him max contract where no other team can match. Kemba ain't going nowhere.


He's going to get a max contract anywhere he goes. He can do a shorter contract like several players in the upper echelon have done. The money isn't that much different, especially when you compare no state tax to a state like NC that is 5.75%.

That team isn't going anywhere for atleast 2 more years which is a waste of prime Kemba. Ofcourse everyone in Charlotte wants him to stay and I'm sure Kemba does as well, but he's at a point in his career where players at his level think about their legacy.


Read my words, Kemba and Jordan have said they want to keep/stay in Charlotte. Keep dreaming tho.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1537 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:52 pm

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I'd trade Gordon and our 2019 1st rounder Top 5 protected. Yes I would. Beal fits perfectly. Then shop Fournier to see what we can get


Personally, I would trade Isaac and a Top 3 protected for Beal. Because, Magic would probably be a playoff team and our future 1st won't be that low anyways. Just sounds better on paper. AG is so much better than Isaac to me.


Well since I just started a thread saying I think Isaac has the potential to be a transformative player I can't agree with you, but I under your rationale and conclusion. I think AG and Isaac play the same position long term, and I'd bet on Isaac so that's why I trade AG


Someone who shoots sub 30% 3 pointers and is worse in every stat metric other than Blocks than AG in their 2nd year even though AG was younger than Isaac in his 2nd year on a decent contract. Isaac also has glass ankles. Nope, Isaac would be gone before AG.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1538 » by VFX » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:05 am

People are really comparing a fourth year AG to essentially a player in their rookie season. Isaac could be more valuable by year 4 and he’s still on a rookie contract, which matters immensely.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1539 » by woosah » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:10 am

So the plot thickens with Fultz. Apparently he asked for a trade? (from GB)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1540 » by bargnanimvp » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:11 am

MagicMatic wrote:People are really comparing a fourth year AG to essentially a player in their rookie season. Isaac could be more valuable by year 4 and he’s still on a rookie contract, which matters immensely.

people said the same stuff when we dumped dipo about payton

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