Retooling is garbage and the system is broken

[Youngray29]

We are in this mess because of Pat's decision to retool. This same retooling has us giving up asset(draft picks, salary cap) and signing a bunch of journeymen.

We've been rewarded with a 30-11 run that helped us miss out on one of the best 2 way young players. We got bounced by Philly and it was embarrassing for us.

Every summer we pray that some free agent is traded here. We never get anyone, we have a top 5 Salary with nothing to show for it.

Most of you guys dont like our young guys. However if you're smart you should realize you cant get futher with a Bad young core vs maxing out your salary cap on non all star caliber players.

You guys like retooling? You guys like this roster?

[batterybro42]

We are in this mess because of Pat's decision to retool. This same retooling has us giving up asset(draft picks, salary cap) and signing a bunch of journeymen.

We've been rewarded with a 30-11 run that helped us miss out on one of the best 2 way young players. We got bounced by Philly and it was embarrassing for us.

Every summer we pray that some free agent is traded here. We never get anyone, we have a top 5 Salary with nothing to show for it.

Most of you guys dont like our young guys. However if you're smart you should realize you cant get futher with a Bad young core vs maxing out your salary cap on non all star caliber players.

You guys like retooling? You guys like this roster?

Yes I actually like where we are headed

Jrich, Bam, and Winslow locked up through 2021 under 40 mil. Likely a top 10 pick this season and if we get lucky who knows? Another lottery pick next season. So 5 good young pieces and 65+ mil in cap space headed into 2020 summer. Yeah I like where things are headed. Have a vision, things aren't as bleak as they seem

[DayofMourning]

I like Bam, Rich, Winslow and KO as pieces of the puzzle. Beta pieces though. So beta. We need top shelf players moving forward. With no marketable players on this team, we have to use the draft the next two years. High quality free agents are not coming here. Give me Nassir and Cole the next two drafts and I feel exponentially better about our chances.

[Bishop45]

Retooling's a prominent part of basketball management, whether you're contending or trying to contend, you're going to have to retool

The process promises nothing but perpetual progression. Good management and bad management are the lone things that matter

[goodboy]

All boils down to our salary. We need to dump Hassan and TJ and some other bad contracts that's stinking up the joint. Keep the young core (unless we get a star in return not named Wall) and start a fresh cap. We overpaid guys and traded away potential draft picks from Boston (Winslow) that leaded us down this path.

I do feel It's time for Riley to step down. His age and him having to stress about this wouldn't be too good for him. I do think he has one last trick up his sleeve before he does retire though, nothing mind blowing but enough to keep us stable.

Best case scenario this season is NOT to go on that 30-11 streak again when Dion and others are feeling healthy. I do agree with OP on that for sure.

[Flash4thewin]

We are in this mess because of Pat's decision to retool. This same retooling has us giving up asset(draft picks, salary cap) and signing a bunch of journeymen.

We've been rewarded with a 30-11 run that helped us miss out on one of the best 2 way young players. We got bounced by Philly and it was embarrassing for us.

Every summer we pray that some free agent is traded here. We never get anyone, we have a top 5 Salary with nothing to show for it.

Most of you guys dont like our young guys. However if you're smart you should realize you cant get futher with a Bad young core vs maxing out your salary cap on non all star caliber players.

You guys like retooling? You guys like this roster?

Yes I actually like where we are headed

Jrich, Bam, and Winslow locked up through 2021 under 40 mil. Likely a top 10 pick this season and if we get lucky who knows? Another lottery pick next season. So 5 good young pieces and 65+ mil in cap space headed into 2020 summer. Yeah I like where things are headed. Have a vision, things aren't as bleak as they seem

Don’t we still owe the 76er a draft pick?

[KingDavid]

We are in this mess because of Pat's decision to retool. This same retooling has us giving up asset(draft picks, salary cap) and signing a bunch of journeymen.

We've been rewarded with a 30-11 run that helped us miss out on one of the best 2 way young players. We got bounced by Philly and it was embarrassing for us.

Every summer we pray that some free agent is traded here. We never get anyone, we have a top 5 Salary with nothing to show for it.

Most of you guys dont like our young guys. However if you're smart you should realize you cant get futher with a Bad young core vs maxing out your salary cap on non all star caliber players.

You guys like retooling? You guys like this roster?

Yes I actually like where we are headed

Jrich, Bam, and Winslow locked up through 2021 under 40 mil. Likely a top 10 pick this season and if we get lucky who knows? Another lottery pick next season. So 5 good young pieces and 65+ mil in cap space headed into 2020 summer. Yeah I like where things are headed. Have a vision, things aren't as bleak as they seem

Don’t we still owe the 76er a draft pick?

Yes.

[twix2500]

I don't think Pat is retooling at all. He has been rebuilding ever since Bosh got sick. You might not like how he is choosing to rebuild. The reason Pat signed Waiters, JJ and Olynyk was too develop them into trade assets. JJ and Waiters been hurt for a yr or more so their trade value has not been what the Heat hoped. Olynyk and Wiaters was almost cashed in for Butler. When you are retooling that means you have a core (stars) and trying to build around them. When you are rebuilding you are trying to find a core.

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[contract]

I don't think Pat is retooling at all. He has been rebuilding ever since Bosh got sick. You might not like how he is choosing to rebuild. The reason Pat signed Waiters, JJ and Olynyk was too develop them into trade assets. JJ and Waiters been hurt for a yr or more so their trade value has not been what the Heat hoped. Olynyk and Wiaters was almost cashed in for Butler. When you are retooling that means you have a core (stars) and trying to build around them. When you are rebuilding you are trying to find a core.

You can't rebuild without tearing down what is already there. We are retooling ... around Whiteside and Dragic. That is our sad core.

JJ is a 31 year old journeyman. If Pat intended to develop him into a trade asset, then he's reached the stage where you need to worry about him walking around the office with no pants on. Teams don't trade stars for 31 year old journeymen.

[twix2500]

I don't think Pat is retooling at all. He has been rebuilding ever since Bosh got sick. You might not like how he is choosing to rebuild. The reason Pat signed Waiters, JJ and Olynyk was too develop them into trade assets. JJ and Waiters been hurt for a yr or more so their trade value has not been what the Heat hoped. Olynyk and Wiaters was almost cashed in for Butler. When you are retooling that means you have a core (stars) and trying to build around them. When you are rebuilding you are trying to find a core.

You can't rebuild without tearing down what is already there. We are retooling ... around Whiteside and Dragic. That is our sad core.

JJ is a 31 year old journeyman. If Pat intended to develop him into a trade asset, then he's reached the stage where you need to worry about him walking around the office with no pants on. Teams don't trade stars for 31 year old journeymen.

Where do I begin. All you are saying is you do not agree how he choosing to rebuild. You can disagree with it or not. But you got to be out of your dam mind if you think Riley thought Whiteside and Dragic were a championship core. Second rebuilding is changing your core. Whiteside and Dragic were hold overs to when they tried to reload around Bosh and Wade. Why are you just trading players for the hell of it? Not to tank, because they only have 2 draft picks in four years. Its tough enough to rebuild through the draft with 8 draft picks in four years. The have 2 in five years.

And let me back this up and look at what the Heat was looking at. The rebuild started when they failed to get Durant.Prior to that it was to reload. The Heat was facing 2 draft picks in 5 years, so building through the draft was a tough road. Because of TJ contract they only had 2 years to make moves in free agency. In those two years only Gordon Hayward was a potential good player. When they signed Waiters, JJ and Olynk, they had to use that cap space for the next 3 years because TJ was gonna eat it up for two years.

Second one of Riley beliefs in attracting a whale free agent is by showing them you are a playoff team. How many Whales move to a bad team unless its a going back home move? Especially now that they will have to give up the SuperMax. That is why Kyrie, George and Butler forced a trade.

To say it was impossible to use James as a piece acquire a star. Riley is a guy who used Brian Grant to get Shaq.


So in all the Heat was facing this three problems.
2 years to make free agent moves, summer 2016 and 2017
2 draft picks in 5 years, 2017 and 2019 (None in 2016, 18 and 20)
Stars not turning down the supermax.
Getting Bosh contract off the cap

That is why they chose to hopefully build up, Whiteside, JJ, Dragic, Waiters, Richardson, Winslow, Olynk, the two draft picks into valuable trading pawns. If not they start a new plan in 2020.

[IggieCC]

Wilts pls quote me when you post op tenks

[OvOh]

smh idk what thread this is lmao

[goodboy]

smh idk what thread this is lmao

made me laugh