2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

[lambchop]

how inconsistent Trae Young is, last five games:
points: 6, 25, 9, 6, 4
FG%: 28%, 36%, 27%, 18%, 16%
still has a looong way to go, but the games with 17 assists and 9 assists should be encouraging

[leolozon]

Lol @ Doncic winding up being a 30ppg guy. Riiiiiiiight

I don’t think he’s gonna average 30 but he’s having one of the best scoring seasons from a rookie in recent memory. Especially for a teenager. Durant, Lebron, Curry etc... he’s on par or better as a rookie scorer. It’s certainly not laughable

Wasn’t as young but Mitchell averaged 20 all year, just a year ago

"Best scoring season" should imply good efficiency. Mitchell had average efficiency and, yes, he was 21.

[Madhouse]

Doncic is 19 years old, love how people already claiming to know that he won't average 30 PPG in 8 or 9 years.

[Archx]

Doncic is 19 years old, love how people already claiming to know that he won't average 30 PPG in 8 or 9 years.

Those are the same people who were claiming he won't even score in the NBA. After this theory was debunked, they started whining how he is not even a rookie, and it's not fair because he was already a pro for 2 years. And a new trend is that he already reached his ceiling at 19yo, so apparently from here on he will only decline.

I really wonder what's the next thing they will come up with.

[Bob8]

Doncic is 19 years old, love how people already claiming to know that he won't average 30 PPG in 8 or 9 years.

Those are the same people who were claiming he won't even score in the NBA. After this theory was debunked, they started whining how he is not even a rookie, and it's not fair because he was already a pro for 2 years. And a new trend is that he already reached his ceiling at 19yo, so apparently from here on he will only decline.

I really wonder what's the next thing they will come up with.

no they aren't. 30 ppg, with good rebounds and assists numbers, would mean, he's top3 Nba player. Nothing wrong, if people don't believe that's possible. I'm his fan and I don't believe that.

[nikster]

I don’t think he’s gonna average 30 but he’s having one of the best scoring seasons from a rookie in recent memory. Especially for a teenager. Durant, Lebron, Curry etc... he’s on par or better as a rookie scorer. It’s certainly not laughable

Wasn’t as young but Mitchell averaged 20 all year, just a year ago

"Best scoring season" should imply good efficiency. Mitchell had average efficiency and, yes, he was 21.

I said one of the best, and compared to a lot of rookie seasons even Mitchell was efficient. Durant, Lebron, Melo were all less efficient

[Rn5ho]

Doncic is 19 years old, love how people already claiming to know that he won't average 30 PPG in 8 or 9 years.

Those are the same people who were claiming he won't even score in the NBA. After this theory was debunked, they started whining how he is not even a rookie, and it's not fair because he was already a pro for 2 years. And a new trend is that he already reached his ceiling at 19yo, so apparently from here on he will only decline.

I really wonder what's the next thing they will come up with.

no they aren't. 30 ppg, with good rebounds and assists numbers, would mean, he's top3 Nba player. Nothing wrong, if people don't believe that's possible. I'm his fan and I don't believe that.

I'm also his fan and I didn't believe he'd average more than 14/6/4 in his rookie season. Saying for a fact that he won't average 30ppg in his prime is as false as stating that he will. I'm not claiming that he will, but I think he has the tools and the talent to get there, but someone coming in and laughing it off as something crazy without any argumentation is again a troll.

Why couldn't Luka be a top 3 player in his prime? He's top 1 rookie and he's currently putting up top 3 rookie stats in last 30 years, what's stopping him from being top 3 player during his prime years, if he continues to develop at a steady pace?

Again, it's all guessing and hypothetical, but he's proving us wrong day-in-day-out and yet we don't learn to stop doubting the kid.

[nikster]

Doncic is 19 years old, love how people already claiming to know that he won't average 30 PPG in 8 or 9 years.

Those are the same people who were claiming he won't even score in the NBA. After this theory was debunked, they started whining how he is not even a rookie, and it's not fair because he was already a pro for 2 years. And a new trend is that he already reached his ceiling at 19yo, so apparently from here on he will only decline.

I really wonder what's the next thing they will come up with.

no they aren't. 30 ppg, with good rebounds and assists numbers, would mean, he's top3 Nba player. Nothing wrong, if people don't believe that's possible. I'm his fan and I don't believe that.

I think the point is he is as close to being able to average 30 as any rookie. Would you have predicted Lebron scores 30 ppg after a 20 point 48 TS% season? Or Durant etc... Lukas on pace for a top 5 scoring season from a teenager in the past 20 year, pretty reasonable to think he can reach in the right situation

[Bob8]

Those are the same people who were claiming he won't even score in the NBA. After this theory was debunked, they started whining how he is not even a rookie, and it's not fair because he was already a pro for 2 years. And a new trend is that he already reached his ceiling at 19yo, so apparently from here on he will only decline.

I really wonder what's the next thing they will come up with.

no they aren't. 30 ppg, with good rebounds and assists numbers, would mean, he's top3 Nba player. Nothing wrong, if people don't believe that's possible. I'm his fan and I don't believe that.

I'm also his fan and I didn't believe he'd average more than 14/6/4 in his rookie season. Saying for a fact that he won't average 30ppg in his prime is as false as stating that he will. I'm not claiming that he will, but I think he has the tools and the talent to get there, but someone coming in and laughing it off as something crazy without any argumentation is again a troll.

Why couldn't Luka be a top 3 player in his prime? He's top 1 rookie and he's currently putting up top 3 rookie stats in last 30 years, what's stopping him from being top 3 player during his prime years, if he continues to develop at a steady pace?

Again, it's all guessing and hypothetical, but he's proving us wrong day-in-day-out and yet we don't learn to stop doubting the kid.

It’s nothing wrong, if you believe he will be top3 player. But it’s nothing wrong, if someone categorically says, he won’t be. The odds are in his favor. How many players has avg. 30 ppg in last 10 seasons? Not many. Nobody is averaging 30 ppg this year and if we look at great Dirk. He avg. 26 points in his best season. Luka is great, but 30 ppg is something else.

[Bob8]

Those are the same people who were claiming he won't even score in the NBA. After this theory was debunked, they started whining how he is not even a rookie, and it's not fair because he was already a pro for 2 years. And a new trend is that he already reached his ceiling at 19yo, so apparently from here on he will only decline.

I really wonder what's the next thing they will come up with.

no they aren't. 30 ppg, with good rebounds and assists numbers, would mean, he's top3 Nba player. Nothing wrong, if people don't believe that's possible. I'm his fan and I don't believe that.

I think the point is he is as close to being able to average 30 as any rookie. Would you have predicted Lebron scores 30 ppg after a 20 point 48 TS% season? Or Durant etc... Lukas on pace for a top 5 scoring season from a teenager in the past 20 year, pretty reasonable to think he can reach in the right situation

Its not that simple, he’s for sure one of the best rookies, but even if we forget the difference in bodies between him and people like MJ or LeBron, Luka’s game and mentality just isn’t, I want to score no matter what. And to have a season with 30 ppg, you cannot be a passer first. I said 25/8/8 on good efficiency. Do people even understand how incredibly good that is?

[Clyde Frazier]

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Yikes.

[Rn5ho]

no they aren't. 30 ppg, with good rebounds and assists numbers, would mean, he's top3 Nba player. Nothing wrong, if people don't believe that's possible. I'm his fan and I don't believe that.

I think the point is he is as close to being able to average 30 as any rookie. Would you have predicted Lebron scores 30 ppg after a 20 point 48 TS% season? Or Durant etc... Lukas on pace for a top 5 scoring season from a teenager in the past 20 year, pretty reasonable to think he can reach in the right situation

Its not that simple, he’s for sure one of the best rookies, but even if we forget the difference in bodies between him and people like MJ or LeBron, Luka’s game and mentality just isn’t, I want to score no matter what. And to have a season with 30 ppg, you cannot be a passer first. I said 25/8/8 on good efficiency. Do people even understand how incredibly good that is?

Of course, the odds are stacked against Luka to ever average 30 ppg per game, but it's far from impossible and to laugh that off without any argument but simply "LOLOLOL @Luka averaging 30ppg" as that kind of comment is the same as last season "LOLOLOL @Luka translating to NBA". It's just pure troll. What you said make sense.

However, you're still referring to Luka as pass-first type of player, which is NOT the case in his NBA career so far. I think that last year in Madrid really changed him in this regard as he was forced to carry the heavy load and learned to take the pressure/creation/finishing burden on himself. This is continuing this year where he's scoring much more than most people anticipated but his assist numbers are also lower. My expectation is more in the range of 27/6/8-9 in his prime, especially if he will continue in the role of SG/SF and as a 2nd playmaker (may it be with DSJ or someone else). But I definitely think he has the tools and potential to average more than 25 in his prime, especially with the way NBA is evolving towards fast pace/offensive oriented game.

[Archx]

I think the point is he is as close to being able to average 30 as any rookie. Would you have predicted Lebron scores 30 ppg after a 20 point 48 TS% season? Or Durant etc... Lukas on pace for a top 5 scoring season from a teenager in the past 20 year, pretty reasonable to think he can reach in the right situation

Its not that simple, he’s for sure one of the best rookies, but even if we forget the difference in bodies between him and people like MJ or LeBron, Luka’s game and mentality just isn’t, I want to score no matter what. And to have a season with 30 ppg, you cannot be a passer first. I said 25/8/8 on good efficiency. Do people even understand how incredibly good that is?

Of course, the odds are stacked against Luka to ever average 30 ppg per game, but it's far from impossible and to laugh that off without any argument but simply "LOLOLOL @Luka averaging 30ppg" as that kind of comment is the same as last season "LOLOLOL @Luka translating to NBA". It's just pure troll. What you said make sense.

However, you're still referring to Luka as pass-first type of player, which is NOT the case in his NBA career so far. I think that last year in Madrid really changed him in this regard as he was forced to carry the heavy load and learned to take the pressure/creation/finishing burden on himself. This is continuing this year where he's scoring much more than most people anticipated but his assist numbers are also lower. My expectation is more in the range of 27/6/8-9 in his prime, especially if he will continue in the role of SG/SF and as a 2nd playmaker (may it be with DSJ or someone else). But I definitely think he has the tools and potential to average more than 25 in his prime, especially with the way NBA is evolving towards fast pace/offensive oriented game.

Just let it go man.. He won't understand that even if you hit him with a hammer on his head. He thinks he is still playing in Spain. And btw, his assists would have been already much higher if DAJ would be able to actually finish a dunk or someone else would be able to make those open shots. So it's not like he isn't already playing this role anyway....

[Texas Chuck]

Bob8,

I don't understand why you are getting hammered for what are extremely reasonable far from anti-Luka posts, but know that this Luka fan is right there with you.

Why can't we just relax and enjoy how well he's playing as a rookie and stop trying to project outlandish future seasons at this point?

[Bob8]

Its not that simple, he’s for sure one of the best rookies, but even if we forget the difference in bodies between him and people like MJ or LeBron, Luka’s game and mentality just isn’t, I want to score no matter what. And to have a season with 30 ppg, you cannot be a passer first. I said 25/8/8 on good efficiency. Do people even understand how incredibly good that is?

Of course, the odds are stacked against Luka to ever average 30 ppg per game, but it's far from impossible and to laugh that off without any argument but simply "LOLOLOL @Luka averaging 30ppg" as that kind of comment is the same as last season "LOLOLOL @Luka translating to NBA". It's just pure troll. What you said make sense.

However, you're still referring to Luka as pass-first type of player, which is NOT the case in his NBA career so far. I think that last year in Madrid really changed him in this regard as he was forced to carry the heavy load and learned to take the pressure/creation/finishing burden on himself. This is continuing this year where he's scoring much more than most people anticipated but his assist numbers are also lower. My expectation is more in the range of 27/6/8-9 in his prime, especially if he will continue in the role of SG/SF and as a 2nd playmaker (may it be with DSJ or someone else). But I definitely think he has the tools and potential to average more than 25 in his prime, especially with the way NBA is evolving towards fast pace/offensive oriented game.

Just let it go man.. He won't understand that even if you hit him with a hammer on his head. He thinks he is still playing in Spain. And btw, his assists would have been already much higher if DAJ would be able to actually finish a dunk or someone else would be able to make those open shots. So it's not like he isn't already playing this role anyway....

understand what? did I say it's impossible for him to avg. 30 point? no. I only said it's very unlikely in my opinion. and that I understand people, who think that's unlikely to happen. do you really understand what means to avg. 30 points in 82 games? nobody is doing that at the moment, even in this high pace era. and please don't patronise me, what i know or don't know.

[Bob8]

I think the point is he is as close to being able to average 30 as any rookie. Would you have predicted Lebron scores 30 ppg after a 20 point 48 TS% season? Or Durant etc... Lukas on pace for a top 5 scoring season from a teenager in the past 20 year, pretty reasonable to think he can reach in the right situation

Its not that simple, he’s for sure one of the best rookies, but even if we forget the difference in bodies between him and people like MJ or LeBron, Luka’s game and mentality just isn’t, I want to score no matter what. And to have a season with 30 ppg, you cannot be a passer first. I said 25/8/8 on good efficiency. Do people even understand how incredibly good that is?

Of course, the odds are stacked against Luka to ever average 30 ppg per game, but it's far from impossible and to laugh that off without any argument but simply "LOLOLOL @Luka averaging 30ppg" as that kind of comment is the same as last season "LOLOLOL @Luka translating to NBA". It's just pure troll. What you said make sense.

However, you're still referring to Luka as pass-first type of player, which is NOT the case in his NBA career so far. I think that last year in Madrid really changed him in this regard as he was forced to carry the heavy load and learned to take the pressure/creation/finishing burden on himself. This is continuing this year where he's scoring much more than most people anticipated but his assist numbers are also lower. My expectation is more in the range of 27/6/8-9 in his prime, especially if he will continue in the role of SG/SF and as a 2nd playmaker (may it be with DSJ or someone else). But I definitely think he has the tools and potential to average more than 25 in his prime, especially with the way NBA is evolving towards fast pace/offensive oriented game.

look I have no problem with you and I see we have pretty similar expectation. I will leave it by that.

[blueNorange]

money mitch leads all rookies in blocks per game(2.0), total blocks(34), and blocks per 48 minutes(5.3)

all this while being 19th in minutes per game(18.1).

he baaaad.

[Pachinko_]

money mitch leads all rookies in blocks per game(2.0), total blocks(34), and blocks per 48 minutes(5.3)

so you saying he's good at blocks?


...anything else?

[hype_2004]

money mitch leads all rookies in blocks per game(2.0), total blocks(34), and blocks per 48 minutes(5.3)

all this while being 19th in minutes per game(18.1).

he baaaad.

This kid has an edge, doesn't get fazed, nothing gets under his skin. Very mellow and calm, but has that internal fire I like what I'm seeing so far.

[blueNorange]

money mitch leads all rookies in blocks per game(2.0), total blocks(34), and blocks per 48 minutes(5.3)

so you saying he's good at blocks?


...anything else?

lateral quickness is very good, great at closing out and giving shooters very little space to get it off, does a great job at contesting jumpshots without fouling.

he sucks at setting screens, or at least doesn't know how to use his body to put himself in a better position to attack the basket.

he's always talking on defense, which is something you want to see. he gets frustrated at blown assignments, not in a destructive way but in a "how did i let this happen" way.

he's 19th out of 57 centers in rpm with +0.58
he's 14th out of 57 centers in drpm with +2.07

he's already very good defensively.