Knicks 117 @ Celtics 109 Post-game Notes (9-9)

[big-shot-ROB]

Danny needs to trade Rozier, he is playing bad and I don't want him next year on the team.

I hope Brown and Tatum wake the **** up when they see Rozier traded

On a sidenote, I know there is this story Brown is really smart and really into knowledge. Granted this is just an example, but I saw one interview with him during the summer about bitcoins and investing, and the Brown talked pretending to be smarter than he actually was.

He used complex words, but his message was empty and it looked like he didn't know **** about what he talked about.

Found it:

Watch on YouTube

[colaroaster]

c's can't get into a rhythm when they consistently spot they opposing team +10 pts. every game they've been forced to play catch-up and look completely dysfunctional. fortunately there's a ton of talent to mix things-up i think brad figures the formula to plug/play players in certain situations. imo their fastest offense
pg kyrie
sg rozie
sf tatum
pf mook
c baynes

[FlatearthZorro]

Stop blaming the players. The issue is Brad Stevens. The amount talent he has on this team, there is no way he should be losing to the Knicks.

Brad can't play ball instead of the guys. Honestly, it just seems like this current team has no chemistry at all. I have no idea what needs to change, but it's a poor team, overall(hell even the defense started sucking).

[Wes-J]

All you guys got is trade this guy trade that guy. That's some weak """"! Sick of hearing the whining. Didn't hear that BS after the Toronto game.

They are collectively sucking and that includes the coach. Ainge did his job and now it's up to everybody to do theirs. No bailing anybody out!

They'll figure it out.

[keevsnick1]

First of all let me just say I don't entirely get the hatred towards Brown this game. He at least attacked the basket consistenty, which is more than I can say of just about anybody else. He has been bad this year, but not this game.


Now I see a lot of complaining about line ups. Or suggestions for juggling minutes. What people have to understand is none of that matters. Its rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. This team had fundamental flaws which include not being able or willing to get to the rim. Not generating free throws. Having below average passers. Not trusting each other on defense. Taking bad shots. Missing open shots. Inconsistent effort. Bad player rotations. And many more.


Tatum and Brown don't know how to pass. Kyrie and Rozier are poor passers for the PG position. Tatum takes awful shots and has forgotten how to play one on one defense. Browns shooting horribly and is clearly letting it effect his game. Rozier wants more minutes and is pressing to prove it. Smart despite being a great defender has no been able t stop any guard he's gone up against. Not Oladipo, not Kemba, no one. Horford lks old. Hayward looks hurt.


Some of these problems will get better. Brown will shoot better. Stevens will get Tatum to take better shots. Hayward will get healthier. But some of thes eproblems are fundamental flaws that we may have to find a way to live with. In short, until our guys start playing better it doesn't really matter what order or combination guys appear on the floor in.

[Gooner]

I was one of those.

Yeah you were, I was late with the edit. You also never bought in on Rozier as a real impact player, right on.

I was dead ass wrong on Rozier. Im done with him— would trade him to Phoenix for a 2 at this point. Selfish player whos actively hurting us.

He is even sending cryptic tweets now.That good run he had last year has changed his outlook,that "Drew Bledsoe" thing,and all the attention he was getting,has made him think that he is a star.I remember when he was giving post game interviews in the playoffs,he just couldn't resist smiling,he enjoyed that attention so much.For once in his life,he was a star.Now,he doesn't want to give that up,he wants to feel that attention again,and he wants his money.Playing 20 min off the bench doesn't satisfy him anymore,and he is letting it be known.

Brown is also forcing the issue,he seems to be frustrated with his numbers aswell,and he just doesn't play the right way.Chemistry is messed up right now,selfishness has creeped into this team,guys are competing more against each other,than against opponents. Brad needs to establish the pecking order,he is not gonna keep everybody happy.

[Silky]

I wouldnt trade brown just yet.

But Horford needs to be dealt.

His playmaking he used to bring is redundant with Hayward here.

He is too slow to keep up with pfs

He is too small and weak to play center all game.

He is a terrible rebounder.

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[jirrit]

I'm down on this team now but not as down as anyone. We just kinda overestimated ourselves and went into every game not focussed enough. This is on whole the team IMO. We also still need some confidence boost and we're kinda coasting yet losing to almost every opponent atm. I still see us having decent records against top teams, beating OKC, Raptors, Sixers & the Bucks. I think we overachieved bigtime last play-offs and now underachieve bigtime. I still don't think anyone wants to play us come play-off time. We need to start making shots, getting confident so that the other side just gets uncomfortable, from the start. That would be a huge help. I still believe this current squad is able to turn things around.

[cloverleaf]

Danny needs to trade Rozier, he is playing bad and I don't want him next year on the team.

I hope Brown and Tatum wake the **** up when they see Rozier traded

On a sidenote, I know there is this story Brown is really smart and really into knowledge. Granted this is just an example, but I saw one interview with him during the summer about bitcoins and investing, and the Brown talked pretending to be smarter than he actually was.

He used complex words, but his message was empty and it looked like he didn't know **** about what he talked about.

Found it:

Watch on YouTube

That's all he's ever done. It would really wear on me if he were my teammate. His "talk" to the jock sniffers at Harvard was embarrassing, but he and the panting Boston sports media saw it as a tour de force.

[cloverleaf]

Stop blaming the players. The issue is Brad Stevens. The amount talent he has on this team, there is no way he should be losing to the Knicks.

Brad can't play ball instead of the guys. Honestly, it just seems like this current team has no chemistry at all. I have no idea what needs to change, but it's a poor team, overall(hell even the defense started sucking).

If you give a coach credit for a team playing well, I think you have to serve up some blame for him when a team plays poorly.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I thought this roster already hit rock bottom. This team proves me wrong.
Rozier can be a nice guy, but it shouldn't surprise me if Danny called Philly to trade Rozier for Fultz.

Still plenty of room before they hit Rock bottom especially with games against the Hawks and cavs coming up.

[cloverleaf]

Yeah you were, I was late with the edit. You also never bought in on Rozier as a real impact player, right on.

I was dead ass wrong on Rozier. Im done with him— would trade him to Phoenix for a 2 at this point. Selfish player whos actively hurting us.

He is even sending cryptic tweets now.That good run he had last year has changed his outlook,that "Drew Bledsoe" thing,and all the attention he was getting,has made him think that he is a star.I remember when he was giving post game interviews in the playoffs,he just couldn't resist smiling,he enjoyed that attention so much.For once in his life,he was a star.Now,he doesn't want to give that up,he wants to feel that attention again,and he wants his money.Playing 20 min off the bench doesn't satisfy him anymore,and he is letting it be known.

Brown is also forcing the issue,he seems to be frustrated with his numbers aswell,and he just doesn't play the right way.Chemistry is messed up right now,selfishness has creeped into this team,guys are competing more against each other,than against opponents. Brad needs to establish the pecking order,he is not gonna keep everybody happy.

Yep. TRo should have taken the money Danny offered, to start with. Now he's at risk of getting traded to a nothing team and if he doesn't deliver there, he'll get less than what was certain money from Danny at the start of the year. Moreover, that team is more certain to match an offer--meaning others would be less willing to chance extending one to him to start with.

[fallguy]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

[Gooner]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

I completely agree.Horford is the last guy that should be considered for a trade.He is the one guy who doesn't have a big ego and is willing to play his role.It's wannabe stars like "scary terry" who need to be traded.

[SmartWentCrazy]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

Yep— our most selfless player isnt why were losing games.

[philing00]

Only when we are down big do we play with desperation on defence. When we hustle and create stops then go on fast breaks, that’s how we get back into the game. Tatum, Brown and Rozier are the main culprits.
We all thought having multiple wing players will give us versatIlity on the offence, but it seems to have backfired on us. Now we don’t have enough role players. We don’t have a clear no.2 scorer after Kyrie. We don’t have a second stud. Tatum is still taking too many cringeworthy long 2s and was not ready for all the praise he received. We need to trade one of our jack of all trades, master on none players (Brown, Tatum, hayward, rozier, Morris) for a 3 and D guy.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Just read that 8 of the last 9 games Celtics got down 10 plus points. I mean the kincks lost 6 games in a row, are 29th in D and the Celtics were down by 26th in the second quarter. That alone tells you the status of this team.

At this point we're looking at a 35-40 win team and I wish I was joking. Brad lost and the player's care more about their numbers than winning. This could be the most disappointing nba team in the last 10 years

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just read that 8 of the last 9 games Celtics got down 10 plus points. I mean the kincks lost 6 games in a row, are 29th in D and the Celtics were down by 26th in the second quarter. That alone tells you the status of this team.

At this point we're looking at a 35-40 win team and I wish I was joking. Brad lost and the player's care more about their numbers than winning. This could be the most disappointing nba team in the last 10 years

The 1 exception to that was vs the Bulls, where we were down 8 in the first quarter. We keep getting down big vs everyone.

Swapping Hayward for Baynes isnt the answer to our problems. Swapping Baynes for Brown? Now were getting closer.

[Silky]

People wanting to trade Horford are nuts.

why?

because of his continued decline in production?

That 11/6/3 killer numbers?
that killer 31% from 3pt on 4 attempts per game?
that killer 65% ft%?
That 1 fta attempt per game?
that blistering 54% efg?
that super awesome .7 OWS?
or the game changing 1.0 DWS?
or that .8 VORP?


please, horford has been terrible, those are not starting calibre center numbers, especially one surrounded by 4 wings.


what horford brings in intangibles is replaced by Hayward.

What this team needs, if it is going to continue to play 4 wings on the floor at a time, is a big bodied, low post threat who gets 10+ rebounds per game and blocks shots.....all things that horford does not do.

[Silky]

Just read that 8 of the last 9 games Celtics got down 10 plus points. I mean the kincks lost 6 games in a row, are 29th in D and the Celtics were down by 26th in the second quarter. That alone tells you the status of this team.

At this point we're looking at a 35-40 win team and I wish I was joking. Brad lost and the player's care more about their numbers than winning. This could be the most disappointing nba team in the last 10 years

The 1 exception to that was vs the Bulls, where we were down 8 in the first quarter. We keep getting down big vs everyone.

Swapping Hayward for Baynes isnt the answer to our problems. Swapping Baynes for Brown? Now were getting closer.

I would like to see a few games of Williams or Baynes for Horford with all else remaining the same.

Irving
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Williams

give me a center that rolls hard, rebounds, blocks shots, and offensive rebounds, putbacks and let the wing talent do their thing. that is one less mouth to feed on offense, I can guarantee that it works.

Its obvious that Danny has put together a team like the old Dwight Howard magic teams of 4 out 1 in. Problem is there is no one right now playing the 1 in.