Fake Trade Thread

[stinger14]

How does everybody feel about Marcus Morris from the Celtics? He is definitely an upgrade over Marv at PF, not sure what it would take to get him

[catch20two]

How does everybody feel about Marcus Morris from the Celtics? He is definitely an upgrade over Marv at PF, not sure what it would take to get him

Would be a good get but Boston not letting him go. He’s one of their key players on both sides of the ball.

[stinger14]

How does everybody feel about Marcus Morris from the Celtics? He is definitely an upgrade over Marv at PF, not sure what it would take to get him

Would be a good get but Boston not letting him go. He’s one of their key players on both sides of the ball.

I agree, just asking because several of their fans mentioned trading him on their board

[LofJ]

MJ calls in favors from his old teams:

CHA out Monk, 2019 1st, Biz, Frank
CHA in Beal

WAS out Beal and Morris
WAS in Monk, Parker, Lopez, 2019 1st

CHI out Parker, Lopez
CHI in Biz, Frank, Morris

Kemba/Parker
Beal/Lamb
Batum/Bridges
Williams/MKG
Zeller/Willy

[bravor]

MJ might as well propose this if he calls them for a favor :
tradeproposal

They have a major hole at sf, and with Markkanen out till around mid december, they can swallow Batum's wnba's game hoping he will reconnect in offense after recovering a bit of his defense. Frank being added as he has more minutes at C nowadays, which means all bull's pf will be able to play at their position.
The counterpart for Charlotte is swallowing Felicio's contract (though it's not so bad than Batum money wise). They get Lopez too which would be an amazing insurance in case Cody's was out for a few games (good old days, that was my dream scenario at C back in 2006) who is on expiring and maybe could be here long term depending on what he will command in FA.

Btw, a bulls fan even posted something about Batum on trade board so who knows. But yes, they want to get rid of J. Parker too i know.

In such a case, and if you follow the Beal trade (Biyombo/Monk + filler), that would not look bad at all (not necessary a pipedream btw) :
Kemba - Parker - Graham
Beal - Lamb (he might be the filler)
MKG - Bacon
Marvin - Miles - Felicio
Cody - Lopez - Hernangomez

Then you try to update pf position before having a talk with Kemba while cruising into play offs.

To have a look of what it could be from 2019/2020 :


Then in FA (or even before, Marvin for Lin would be awesome in this case...) you get Lin and Lopez on 'friendly' contracts for veteranship and for what they can bring (for something in the 25/3 years or 18/2 years maybe). And try to develop some SRP (or first in case Kupchak still has some) atthe wing (defense being a priority to replace MKG obviously)

[Eoghan]

MJ calls in favors from his old teams:

CHA out Monk, 2019 1st, Biz, Frank
CHA in Beal

WAS out Beal and Morris
WAS in Monk, Parker, Lopez, 2019 1st

CHI out Parker, Lopez
CHI in Biz, Frank, Morris

Kemba/Parker
Beal/Lamb
Batum/Bridges
Williams/MKG
Zeller/Willy

Would Chicago really be down for that? That seems like a blow it up move.

[bravor]

Well a bull fans suggested a batum/Parker swap (+ filler) since they seem to be desperate with this guy (looks like every team has his scapegoat ) on tradeboard not long time ago.

They are probbaly building around Markkanen/Carter + whoever between Dunn/Payne, rest being probably expendable. They are really thin at sf and they probably aim to have a competitive team in something around 3/4 years so geting Batum is not such a bad move especially since they have the capspace for it. Though geting rid of Parker might be the counterpart they are looking for, since they really have a logjam at pf and players to develop, even if they could play Markkanen at C (or another).

Hornets can add some sweeteners anyway.

It would be much more difficult to find a deal with Washington that would send Biyombo there knowing they already have Mahinmi (i have tried many trades idea to get both Mahinmi/Beal but nothing works) and Howard. I would think they would ask Zeller, it makes more sense (and i doubt he is available, he is starting to recover his efficiency and not just for screen assists, he is converting the pnr he has to play etc).

[stinger14]

Well a bull fans suggested a batum/Parker swap (+ filler) since they seem to be desperate with this guy (looks like every team has his scapegoat ) on tradeboard not long time ago.

They are probbaly building around Markkanen/Carter + whoever between Dunn/Payne, rest being probably expendable. They are really thin at sf and they probably aim to have a competitive team in something around 3/4 years so geting Batum is not such a bad move especially since they have the capspace for it. Though geting rid of Parker might be the counterpart they are looking for, since they really have a logjam at pf and players to develop, even if they could play Markkanen at C (or another).

Hornets can add some sweeteners anyway.

It would be much more difficult to find a deal with Washington that would send Biyombo there knowing they already have Mahinmi (i have tried many trades idea to get both Mahinmi/Beal but nothing works) and Howard. I would think they would ask Zeller, it makes more sense (and i doubt he is available, he is starting to recover his efficiency and not just for screen assists, he is converting the pnr he has to play etc).

Biz, Frank, Monk, and Marv to the Wizards for Beal and Mahinmi works....obviously we would need to add our 2019 1st

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Porter is not an all-star. You pair Kemba with Beal and court a max player. Nobody is signing here to play with Porter. Also Porter plays Batum's position and reality check here. Nobody is taking Batum. Maybe I should repeat that. Nobody is taking Batum. I'd be highly disappointed if Kupchak thinks Porter is enough to seal the deal with Kemba. The league would take notice if Beal joins Kemba. Let's have some pride and stop settling for half-ass Cho moves.

I honestly don't know who would be better for the Hornets between Beal or Porter, but I do feel like it's closer than you make it sound here.

Is Bean an all-star? Sure. Why? Because he scores a lot. Really that's it. Scoring a lot, being on a winning team, and being popular are pretty much the only requirements to be an all-star.

Porter plays better defense, shot a higher percentage on his 3s, and gets more steals. Beal shoots more 3s and passes better. For me the decider between Beal and Porter, if both were available, is what the cost would be. If I can get Porter for significantly less than Beal, then that's what I would do.

What the league really notices is winning. If Porter came here, did well, and the Hornets won significantly more the league would notice a lot more than they would if the Hornets got a second all-star and failed to make the playoffs again. You can talk me into Beal, but this isn't as simple or one-sided as you make it sound.

[stinger14]

Porter is not an all-star. You pair Kemba with Beal and court a max player. Nobody is signing here to play with Porter. Also Porter plays Batum's position and reality check here. Nobody is taking Batum. Maybe I should repeat that. Nobody is taking Batum. I'd be highly disappointed if Kupchak thinks Porter is enough to seal the deal with Kemba. The league would take notice if Beal joins Kemba. Let's have some pride and stop settling for half-ass Cho moves.

I honestly don't know who would be better for the Hornets between Beal or Porter, but I do feel like it's closer than you make it sound here.

Is Bean an all-star? Sure. Why? Because he scores a lot. Really that's it. Scoring a lot, being on a winning team, and being popular are pretty much the only requirements to be an all-star.

Porter plays better defense, shot a higher percentage on his 3s, and gets more steals. Beal shoots more 3s and passes better. For me the decider between Beal and Porter, if both were available, is what the cost would be. If I can get Porter for significantly less than Beal, then that's what I would do.

What the league really notices is winning. If Porter came here, did well, and the Hornets won significantly more the league would notice a lot more than they would if the Hornets got a second all-star and failed to make the playoffs again. You can talk me into Beal, but this isn't as simple or one-sided as you make it sound.

Agree with a lot of what you are saying, but let's add some more details.

Beal also gets free throws for himself and others with his ability to attack the basket to score and create for others. Rack up fouls on other teams players and help get your team to the bonus. Let's also not forget that Porter is having a bad year. He could turn it around with an environment change, but he may not. To this point in the season, he hasn't been much if any better than Batum.

To answer a question about winning and playoffs, well what if we get Porter, he continues to play bad, Hornets miss the playoffs, and the league says, wow the Hornets just repeated the Batum mistake and are paying another underperforming SF 25 million a year like they did with Batum. What if the Hornets get Beal, a second all-star and go on to the playoffs and play well in the playoffs. So, yeah you can play the what if both ways. I don't trust paying Porter that kind of Money unless it is a Porter/Beal swap with not much compensation to the Wizards. I most definitely go for Beal if available

[yosemiteben]

Just wanted to point out that WAS had Wall and Beal for a while and it's not like they've been a FA destination. I don't think Kemba and Beal are attracting any FAs to CLT that wouldn't otherwise be interested.

[stinger14]

Just wanted to point out that WAS had Wall and Beal for a while and it's not like they've been a FA destination. I don't think Kemba and Beal are attracting any FAs to CLT that wouldn't otherwise be interested.

Good point, but I will play devils advocate here.

Wizards have not had a coach that would seem attractive to play for, in fact they have not had good coaching at all and players in the league know. Borrego came from the Pop tree, and his style of play would seem to fit the modern player making his style of coaching more attractive

Wizards have Ernie G. as their GM and I'm not sure how much he is trusted or respected amongst the players in the league. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I think it is safe to say that Kupchak is well respected around the league, and could help sell free agents on Kemba and Beal with Borrego

Kupchak also has the ability to sell Kemba as being in his prime, and Beal coming into his prime. The Wizards have never been able to say that about both of their guys.

Then there is the GOAT himself. Kupchak will also have some guy named Michael Jordan close by. MJ may not have a lot influence, but it can't hurt remindung them that the GOAT would be their boss.

Last thing to mention, the biggest free agent we gotta worry about attracting is already wearing number 15 for the Hornets now. Therefore, make him happy and get him some help. This team is so close to winning so many games because they only have one guy capable of getting his own shot at the end of games. Beal takes that luxury away from defenses and gives the Hornets a second guy who can get his own shot, draw a foul, or create for a teammate at the end of games.

[yosemiteben]

I really don't think any of that stuff is going to matter.

If we trade for Beal and resign Kemba, we're not going to have any cap space anyway. Maybe an unusually high caliber player will take the MLE to play here, but I doubt it.

[stinger14]

I really don't think any of that stuff is going to matter.

If we trade for Beal and resign Kemba, we're not going to have any cap space anyway. Maybe an unusually high caliber player will take the MLE to play here, but I doubt it.

Biz, Marv, MKG, and Tony equal to 50 million in expirings next season that could be used in trades or let them expire for 2020 free agency with Kemba and Beal still signed, and remember Kemba will only have an 18 million cap hold.

Get Beal first, then trust Kupchak

[yosemiteben]

I really don't think any of that stuff is going to matter.

If we trade for Beal and resign Kemba, we're not going to have any cap space anyway. Maybe an unusually high caliber player will take the MLE to play here, but I doubt it.

Biz, Marv, MKG, and Tony equal to 50 million in expirings next season that could be used in trades or let them expire for 2020 free agency with Kemba and Beal still signed, and remember Kemba will only have an 18 million cap hold.

Get Beal first, then trust Kupchak

I'm a bit out of it when it comes to running salary numbers, but wouldn't that $50M in expiring make Kemba's cap hold irrelevant? We're not going to be under the cap.

[stinger14]

I really don't think any of that stuff is going to matter.

If we trade for Beal and resign Kemba, we're not going to have any cap space anyway. Maybe an unusually high caliber player will take the MLE to play here, but I doubt it.

Biz, Marv, MKG, and Tony equal to 50 million in expirings next season that could be used in trades or let them expire for 2020 free agency with Kemba and Beal still signed, and remember Kemba will only have an 18 million cap hold.

Get Beal first, then trust Kupchak

I'm a bit out of it when it comes to running salary numbers, but wouldn't that $50M in expiring make Kemba's cap hold irrelevant? We're not going to be under the cap.

Well it may vary somewhat, but even if you factor in a 20 million dollar raise for Kemba over his current contract, and all of that counts against the cap, then 50 minus 20 would still leave 30 million.

Also, the cap is expected to continue to rise over the next few years

[JDR720]

100pg.

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