11/21 | G17: Oklahoma City Thunder at Golden State Warriors - 9:30PM CST

[getrichordie]

I'm already kinda there.

Why is it nonsense? It makes a ton of sense for Westbrook. It makes a ton of sense for Schroder. It makes a ton of sense for the team. Convince me I’m wrong.


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I'm leaving for the day. But Schroder is a career .516 TS scorer on lower usage. Westbrook is a career .532 TS on higher usage. So giving it to the less efficient player would make no sense. Schroder had a good game. This is like saying let Grant chuck 3s after he randomly has a hot game when he's a career 30% shooter. It makes no sense like most of what gets spouted.

You love career numbers lol. Ever heard of context and trajectory? We don’t need Russ to be a super high-usage player anymore. It’s not good for Russ’ long-term health and value. Schroder is younger and can help carry Russ’ load which is what matters. Also, Dennis > Westbrook at shooting 3s. The more the ball is out of Westbrook’s hands, the less he can waste possessions.


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[Kizz Fastfists]

We did smoke the warriors a couple of times last year

Do not allow facts to get in the way of a good Royce Young article, OKC press release or cheerleader message board post.

[getrichordie]

Screw it. You guys will come around to see the light. Just like I said Grant > Patterson last year and this year before the season started and everyone kept beating the “Patterson > Grant” drum. You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.


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[Pillendreher]

Screw it. You guys will come around to see the light. Just like I said Grant > Patterson last year and this year before the season started and everyone kept beating the “Patterson > Grant” drum. You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.

Guide us, oh wise one.

[getrichordie]

Screw it. You guys will come around to see the light. Just like I said Grant > Patterson last year and this year before the season started and everyone kept beating the “Patterson > Grant” drum. You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.

Guide us, oh wise one.

I’m trying, Jennifer.


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[Kizz Fastfists]

You love career numbers lol. Ever heard of context and trajectory? We don’t need Russ to be a super high-usage player anymore. It’s not good for Russ’ long-term health and value. Schroder is younger and can help carry Russ’ load which is what matters. Also, Dennis > Westbrook at shooting 3s. The more the ball is out of Westbrook’s hands, the less he can waste possessions.

78% of Schroder's 3s have been assisted. That means Westbrook has to have the ball in his hands FIRST, potentially wasting a possession, BEFORE Schroder can make a 3. If Schroder has the ball, and is wasting the possession, he shoots as bad as Russ from 3. If Russ isn't going to "waste possessions" then who is going to give Schroder the catch and shoot 3pt shot that he can make? Schroder is an offensive SG trapped in a high school kid's body. I've stood next to him a few times and I am not convinced he is 6'0, although my 6'1 buddy swears they are the same height from standing next to him. It would be a bit unprofessional, even for me, to pull out a tape measure and ask him if I could get his real height.

Context would be that Russ still HAS to have super high usage if OKC is going to be average offensively. Context would be that saying the team is better without Russ this year than last year is because you are comparing lineups with PG-Adams-Schroder to lineups of Felton-Grant-Abrines. It would be like arguing OKC played better with kd off the roster than when he was on the bench and arguing that Russ-Roberson-Dipo-Adams-Sabonis/Taj should perform the same as Augustine-Morrow-Waiters-Kanter-Collison just because they both don't have kd.

[Dn4sty]

Westbrook deferred to Schroder last night. I told you guys that is what we needed and a few scoffed at me. LOL

HAPPY MF’ing THANKSGIVING

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So a not in game shape, out of rhythm Russ deferred to Schroder in ONE game against a Warriors team missing two all stars....and so now you are claiming some sort of “look, I told you so”

Please stop.

[Dn4sty]

We did smoke the warriors a couple of times last year

Do not allow facts to get in the way of a good Royce Young article, OKC press release or cheerleader message board post.

So OKC played well against bottom feeders and non playoff teams last year...got it

[Kizz Fastfists]

You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.

Tell us what the future holds? Russ being broken down in '20-'21 due to age and bad knees and OKC trying to develop fringe starter level players in hopes they can keep playing 4-5 playoff games a year! Yes, the future is going to be great! Please tell me all about it. OKC has a promising young player, TLC, and the more they have to play him the more it shows that Donovan is a complete failure because he didn't give Presti the chance to evaluate him in games so Presti declined his rookie option meaning OKC can only offer him $2.5M this off-season. Great future! Committing to letting a rotation player walk before you ever saw him play for your team!

As long as have no expectations then OKC is going in the perfect direction. If you'd like to see competence and a desire to win then OKC is going to be frustrating for at least a few more years.

[getrichordie]

You love career numbers lol. Ever heard of context and trajectory? We don’t need Russ to be a super high-usage player anymore. It’s not good for Russ’ long-term health and value. Schroder is younger and can help carry Russ’ load which is what matters. Also, Dennis > Westbrook at shooting 3s. The more the ball is out of Westbrook’s hands, the less he can waste possessions.

78% of Schroder's 3s have been assisted. That means Westbrook has to have the ball in his hands FIRST, potentially wasting a possession, BEFORE Schroder can make a 3. If Schroder has the ball, and is wasting the possession, he shoots as bad as Russ from 3. If Russ isn't going to "waste possessions" then who is going to give Schroder the catch and shoot 3pt shot that he can make? Schroder is an offensive SG trapped in a high school kid's body. I've stood next to him a few times and I am not convinced he is 6'0, although my 6'1 buddy swears they are the same height from standing next to him. It would be a bit unprofessional, even for me, to pull out a tape measure and ask him if I could get his real height.

Context would be that Russ still HAS to have super high usage if OKC is going to be average offensively. Context would be that saying the team is better without Russ this year than last year is because you are comparing lineups with PG-Adams-Schroder to lineups of Felton-Grant-Abrines. It would be like arguing OKC played better with kd off the roster than when he was on the bench and arguing that Russ-Roberson-Dipo-Adams-Sabonis/Taj should perform the same as Augustine-Morrow-Waiters-Kanter-Collison just because they both don't have kd.

What was our offensive rating with Schroder and Russ on the floor last night? What was Westbrook’s USG% in those lineups? I’ll wait.


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[ThunderBolt]

You love career numbers lol. Ever heard of context and trajectory? We don’t need Russ to be a super high-usage player anymore. It’s not good for Russ’ long-term health and value. Schroder is younger and can help carry Russ’ load which is what matters. Also, Dennis > Westbrook at shooting 3s. The more the ball is out of Westbrook’s hands, the less he can waste possessions.

78% of Schroder's 3s have been assisted. That means Westbrook has to have the ball in his hands FIRST, potentially wasting a possession, BEFORE Schroder can make a 3. If Schroder has the ball, and is wasting the possession, he shoots as bad as Russ from 3. If Russ isn't going to "waste possessions" then who is going to give Schroder the catch and shoot 3pt shot that he can make? Schroder is an offensive SG trapped in a high school kid's body. I've stood next to him a few times and I am not convinced he is 6'0, although my 6'1 buddy swears they are the same height from standing next to him. It would be a bit unprofessional, even for me, to pull out a tape measure and ask him if I could get his real height.

Context would be that Russ still HAS to have super high usage if OKC is going to be average offensively. Context would be that saying the team is better without Russ this year than last year is because you are comparing lineups with PG-Adams-Schroder to lineups of Felton-Grant-Abrines. It would be like arguing OKC played better with kd off the roster than when he was on the bench and arguing that Russ-Roberson-Dipo-Adams-Sabonis/Taj should perform the same as Augustine-Morrow-Waiters-Kanter-Collison just because they both don't have kd.

What was our offensive rating with Schroder and Russ on the floor last night? What was Westbrook’s USG% in those lineups? I’ll wait.


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Yes that is how a message board works.

What is your overall point? You’ve said schroder > Westbrook and then said it was a joke. Yet you keep attempting to subtly prove that point without saying it.

[Kizz Fastfists]

So OKC played well against bottom feeders and non playoff teams last year...got it

They were 18-7 against teams under .400 last year. That is a 72% winning percentage against bottom feeders. I think that is playing well against them, especially for what OKC is in terms of talent and coaching.

[getrichordie]

You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.

Tell us what the future holds? Russ being broken down in '20-'21 due to age and bad knees and OKC trying to develop fringe starter level players in hopes they can keep playing 4-5 playoff games a year! Yes, the future is going to be great! Please tell me all about it. OKC has a promising young player, TLC, and the more they have to play him the more it shows that Donovan is a complete failure because he didn't give Presti the chance to evaluate him in games so Presti declined his rookie option meaning OKC can only offer him $2.5M this off-season. Great future! Committing to letting a rotation player walk before you ever saw him play for your team!

As long as have no expectations then OKC is going in the perfect direction. If you'd like to see competence and a desire to win then OKC is going to be frustrating for at least a few more years.

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter.


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[getrichordie]

78% of Schroder's 3s have been assisted. That means Westbrook has to have the ball in his hands FIRST, potentially wasting a possession, BEFORE Schroder can make a 3. If Schroder has the ball, and is wasting the possession, he shoots as bad as Russ from 3. If Russ isn't going to "waste possessions" then who is going to give Schroder the catch and shoot 3pt shot that he can make? Schroder is an offensive SG trapped in a high school kid's body. I've stood next to him a few times and I am not convinced he is 6'0, although my 6'1 buddy swears they are the same height from standing next to him. It would be a bit unprofessional, even for me, to pull out a tape measure and ask him if I could get his real height.

Context would be that Russ still HAS to have super high usage if OKC is going to be average offensively. Context would be that saying the team is better without Russ this year than last year is because you are comparing lineups with PG-Adams-Schroder to lineups of Felton-Grant-Abrines. It would be like arguing OKC played better with kd off the roster than when he was on the bench and arguing that Russ-Roberson-Dipo-Adams-Sabonis/Taj should perform the same as Augustine-Morrow-Waiters-Kanter-Collison just because they both don't have kd.

What was our offensive rating with Schroder and Russ on the floor last night? What was Westbrook’s USG% in those lineups? I’ll wait.


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Yes that is how a message board works.

Russ = 17%
Schroder = 26%


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[ThunderBolt]

You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.

Tell us what the future holds? Russ being broken down in '20-'21 due to age and bad knees and OKC trying to develop fringe starter level players in hopes they can keep playing 4-5 playoff games a year! Yes, the future is going to be great! Please tell me all about it. OKC has a promising young player, TLC, and the more they have to play him the more it shows that Donovan is a complete failure because he didn't give Presti the chance to evaluate him in games so Presti declined his rookie option meaning OKC can only offer him $2.5M this off-season. Great future! Committing to letting a rotation player walk before you ever saw him play for your team!

As long as have no expectations then OKC is going in the perfect direction. If you'd like to see competence and a desire to win then OKC is going to be frustrating for at least a few more years.

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter.


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Ferguson and Diallo are the future but TLC is cheap. He could be a solid role player and re-signed cheap. Also, you know tlc’s shooting in comparison to Diallo and Ferguson?

[Kizz Fastfists]

It is just one in dozens of issues with Donovan's terrible coaching. Blowing the Houston series by shoving Grant out there instead of Taj is still his biggest offense. Every lineup that Taj was used in during that series won the scoreboard. He is the ONLY player you can say that about. Donovan must have been in a hurry to go on vacation.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Russ = 17%
Schroder = 26%

You could see that Russ' ankle isn't right yet, correct? You aren't blind are you? Of course he wants to stand around out there instead of pushing his bad ankle. He shouldn't have even been playing!

[Dn4sty]

So OKC played well against bottom feeders and non playoff teams last year...got it

They were 18-7 against teams under .400 last year. That is a 72% winning percentage against bottom feeders. I think that is playing well against them, especially for what OKC is in terms of talent and coaching.

I have no idea why you picked the .400 winning percentage (well I actually do).

Last year OKC lost 14 games to non-playoff teams.

[getrichordie]

Tell us what the future holds? Russ being broken down in '20-'21 due to age and bad knees and OKC trying to develop fringe starter level players in hopes they can keep playing 4-5 playoff games a year! Yes, the future is going to be great! Please tell me all about it. OKC has a promising young player, TLC, and the more they have to play him the more it shows that Donovan is a complete failure because he didn't give Presti the chance to evaluate him in games so Presti declined his rookie option meaning OKC can only offer him $2.5M this off-season. Great future! Committing to letting a rotation player walk before you ever saw him play for your team!

As long as have no expectations then OKC is going in the perfect direction. If you'd like to see competence and a desire to win then OKC is going to be frustrating for at least a few more years.

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter.


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Ferguson and Diallo are the future but TLC is cheap. He could be a solid role player and re-signed cheap. Also, you know tlc’s shooting in comparison to Diallo and Ferguson?

I don’t need to. TLC’s shooting this year is probably a small sample size so you can’t read into it. It’s clear that Ferguson and Diallo have far more defensive upside. They are younger than TLC and have more room to improve than the Frenchman. We can’t play everybody and $ still matters which is why we did not pick up his option. TLC will get traded by deadline so it doesn’t matter anyway you look at it.


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[Pillendreher]

So OKC played well against bottom feeders and non playoff teams last year...got it

They were 18-7 against teams under .400 last year. That is a 72% winning percentage against bottom feeders. I think that is playing well against them, especially for what OKC is in terms of talent and coaching.

And in those 25 games they had an average point differential of +4.1. That's not "playing well". That's actually barely beating them.