11/21 | G17: Oklahoma City Thunder at Golden State Warriors - 9:30PM CST

[getrichordie]

It is just one in dozens of issues with Donovan's terrible coaching. Blowing the Houston series by shoving Grant out there instead of Taj is still his biggest offense. Every lineup that Taj was used in during that series won the scoreboard. He is the ONLY player you can say that about. Donovan must have been in a hurry to go on vacation.

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.


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[ThunderBolt]

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter.


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Ferguson and Diallo are the future but TLC is cheap. He could be a solid role player and re-signed cheap. Also, you know tlc’s shooting in comparison to Diallo and Ferguson?

I don’t need to. TLC’s shooting this year is probably a small sample size so you can’t read into it. It’s clear that Ferguson and Diallo have far more defensive upside. They are younger than TLC and have more room to improve than the Frenchman. We can’t play everybody and $ still matters which is why we did not pick up his option. TLC will get traded by deadline so it doesn’t matter anyway you look at it.


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You don’t abandon potentially good role players for nothing because some have more upside. He could have been resigned cheaply and actually traded for something of value next year. Or he could have provided depth. No one wants a rookie that they can’t re-sign. Well, except you want bender, lol.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter

TLC is only 23. I'm glad you and Presti know that he wasn't worth a $2.5M contract for next season when he was good enough to start games for a playoff team last year. Just to be clear I want you to tell me that TLC is less valuable than Raymond Felton. A vet minimum contract, for a 10 year veteran, is $2.4M. TLC would have been making $2.5M. Are you really going to tell me that you would rather have 34 year old Felton, since Presti gave him his current contract, over 24 year old TLC, since Presti declined his contract.

Haven't you been crying for Burton to get playing time? How come Burton can't get playing time over TLC now that minutes are opened up? Burton is older and should be better. Why give up on a player you just traded for, TLC, that is dirt cheap? He could have to have Russ' BBIQ, Roberson's offense and Kanter's defense to not be worth trying to develop at 23 on that contract and he well surpasses all three of those.

[Pillendreher]

You guys are literally blinded by career stats and narratives instead of watching the game and thinking about the future.

Tell us what the future holds? Russ being broken down in '20-'21 due to age and bad knees and OKC trying to develop fringe starter level players in hopes they can keep playing 4-5 playoff games a year! Yes, the future is going to be great! Please tell me all about it. OKC has a promising young player, TLC, and the more they have to play him the more it shows that Donovan is a complete failure because he didn't give Presti the chance to evaluate him in games so Presti declined his rookie option meaning OKC can only offer him $2.5M this off-season. Great future! Committing to letting a rotation player walk before you ever saw him play for your team!

As long as have no expectations then OKC is going in the perfect direction. If you'd like to see competence and a desire to win then OKC is going to be frustrating for at least a few more years.

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team?

You know what's "hilarious"? Let me tell you: The way you try to frame this trash you're posting. So Presti "does his research" and "knows who he's bringing on to the team". Let's assume that is indeed the case. Why on earth would he do the trade then, if he knew that TLC was too bad to even get rotational minutes? Why not trade for a different player? In your effort to deflect from this coaching mistake (giving Burton minutes instead of the guy with two years of NBA experience is not good coaching, period), you're arguing that Presti intentionally traded for a player he knew was too bad to see the court.

[getrichordie]

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter

TLC is only 23. I'm glad you and Presti know that he wasn't worth a $2.5M contract for next season when he was good enough to start games for a playoff team last year. Just to be clear I want you to tell me that TLC is less valuable than Raymond Felton. A vet minimum contract, for a 10 year veteran, is $2.4M. TLC would have been making $2.5M. Are you really going to tell me that you would rather have 34 year old Felton, since Presti gave him his current contract, over 24 year old TLC, since Presti declined his contract.

Haven't you been crying for Burton to get playing time? How come Burton can't get playing time over TLC now that minutes are opened up? Burton is older and should be better. Why give up on a player you just traded for, TLC, that is dirt cheap? He could have to have Russ' BBIQ, Roberson's offense and Kanter's defense to not be worth trying to develop at 23 on that contract and he well surpasses all three of those.

How much depth do you need? TLC won’t be necessary for the vast majority of games. As soon as Abrines is back, TLC will be a non-factor. If we don’t keep Abrines next year, moves can be made. You guys are acting like TLC is such an important piece and he’s not.


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[Dn4sty]

I’m loving the narrative that Donovan is a **** coach because he didn’t play TLC enough to let Presti see what he had. That’s absolutely hilarious. You think Presti didn’t do his research already or that he doesn’t know who he’s bringing on to the team? TLC has had a handful of good plays, but dude, Ferguson and Diallo are the future, not TLC. There is a reason he isn’t getting minutes over those guys. Oh, and by the way, he literally hit the side of the back board on a corner 3. He’s not a good shooter.


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Ferguson and Diallo are the future but TLC is cheap. He could be a solid role player and re-signed cheap. Also, you know tlc’s shooting in comparison to Diallo and Ferguson?

I don’t need to. TLC’s shooting this year is probably a small sample size so you can’t read into it. It’s clear that Ferguson and Diallo have far more defensive upside. They are younger than TLC and have more room to improve than the Frenchman. We can’t play everybody and $ still matters which is why we did not pick up his option. TLC will get traded by deadline so it doesn’t matter anyway you look at it.


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The issue I have with not picking up his option is the following.

1. You don’t pay the tax bill till June of 2020
2. You keep Nader, but not TLC???
3. OKC has limited chances to add young cost controlled talent. To me you don’t waste those opportunities when you have them.

[Pillendreher]

It is just one in dozens of issues with Donovan's terrible coaching. Blowing the Houston series by shoving Grant out there instead of Taj is still his biggest offense. Every lineup that Taj was used in during that series won the scoreboard. He is the ONLY player you can say that about. Donovan must have been in a hurry to go on vacation.

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.


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[getrichordie]

Ferguson and Diallo are the future but TLC is cheap. He could be a solid role player and re-signed cheap. Also, you know tlc’s shooting in comparison to Diallo and Ferguson?

I don’t need to. TLC’s shooting this year is probably a small sample size so you can’t read into it. It’s clear that Ferguson and Diallo have far more defensive upside. They are younger than TLC and have more room to improve than the Frenchman. We can’t play everybody and $ still matters which is why we did not pick up his option. TLC will get traded by deadline so it doesn’t matter anyway you look at it.


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The issue I have with not picking up his option is the following.

1. You don’t pay the tax bill till June of 2020
2. You keep Nader, but not TLC???
3. OKC has limited chances to add young cost controlled talent. To me you don’t waste those opportunities when you have them.

Here’s my question: How much is TLC costing you this year and next year on tax bill and is he worth it given our depth? No, he’s not. He’s played decent in spot minutes, sure.

TLC was traded away by Sixers with Justin Anderson for Mike Muscala. That’s his value.


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[Dn4sty]

I don’t need to. TLC’s shooting this year is probably a small sample size so you can’t read into it. It’s clear that Ferguson and Diallo have far more defensive upside. They are younger than TLC and have more room to improve than the Frenchman. We can’t play everybody and $ still matters which is why we did not pick up his option. TLC will get traded by deadline so it doesn’t matter anyway you look at it.


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The issue I have with not picking up his option is the following.

1. You don’t pay the tax bill till June of 2020
2. You keep Nader, but not TLC???
3. OKC has limited chances to add young cost controlled talent. To me you don’t waste those opportunities when you have them.

Here’s my question: How much is TLC costing you this year and next year on tax bill and is he worth it given our depth?


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As much as I love Diallo, there is no wing on this roster that has earned the right to play major minutes other than George. All of them (including Nader) should be given every chance to earn minutes. With TLC they just undercut it

[Dn4sty]

It is just one in dozens of issues with Donovan's terrible coaching. Blowing the Houston series by shoving Grant out there instead of Taj is still his biggest offense. Every lineup that Taj was used in during that series won the scoreboard. He is the ONLY player you can say that about. Donovan must have been in a hurry to go on vacation.

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.


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Man that roster top to bottom was gross.

[Kizz Fastfists]

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.

We'll just ignore what REALLY happened and go to fantasy land. Sounds like a GREAT argument.

Russ-Dipo-roberson-Taj-Adams was +19 pts per 100 possessions and when you replaced Taj with Grant it swing 21 points making it -2 per 100 possessions for OKC. When Grant and Russ were on the floor together in that series they were -19.9 pts/100 while Russ and Taj were +15/100. If you have some reason, other than stupidity, why Taj got 23 MPG and Grant got 22 MPG when one was helping OKC win the series and one was tanking the series I'd be very interested in those reasons. I can only logically argue stupidity, incompetence or a desire to lose by Donovan. Perhaps you can come up with something else.

[getrichordie]

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.


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Man that roster top to bottom was gross.

Yet some keep pushing the narrative that Donovan is a terrible coach. I’ve been saying that you have to look at roster construction as context for Donovan’s decisions. He didn’t have much to work with last year (Melo) or the year before.


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[Kizz Fastfists]

Here’s my question: How much is TLC costing you this year and next year on tax bill and is he worth it given our depth? No, he’s not. He’s played decent in spot minutes, sure.

TLC was traded away by Sixers with Justin Anderson for Mike Muscala. That’s his value.

He isn't costing anything on the tax bill and wouldn't cost anything next year compared to a vet minimum contract. You can't argue money when he his contract next year would have been less than Raymond Felton's vet minimum!

[Pillendreher]

Man that roster top to bottom was gross.

Yet some keep pushing the narrative that Donovan is a terrible coach. I’ve been saying that you have to look at roster construction as context for Donovan’s decisions. He didn’t have much to work with last year (Melo) or the year before.

Roster holes are not hall passes for rosters. Bad coaching decisions don't get vindicated because the roster isn't the best in the league.

[getrichordie]

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.

We'll just ignore what REALLY happened and go to fantasy land. Sounds like a GREAT argument.

Russ-Dipo-roberson-Taj-Adams was +19 pts per 100 possessions and when you replaced Taj with Grant it swing 21 points making it -2 per 100 possessions for OKC. When Grant and Russ were on the floor together in that series they were -19.9 pts/100 while Russ and Taj were +15/100. If you have some reason, other than stupidity, why Taj got 23 MPG and Grant got 22 MPG when one was helping OKC win the series and one was tanking the series I'd be very interested in those reasons. I can only logically argue stupidity, incompetence or a desire to lose by Donovan. Perhaps you can come up with something else.

Yet Grant was a +15 NetRtg that series. Gibson? -11. Small ball killed Gibson. It didn’t kill Grant.


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[Pillendreher]

CONTEXT. Yeah, let’s put Gibson out there more so Harden can just switch on to him and kill him. Lovely.

We'll just ignore what REALLY happened and go to fantasy land. Sounds like a GREAT argument.

Russ-Dipo-roberson-Taj-Adams was +19 pts per 100 possessions and when you replaced Taj with Grant it swing 21 points making it -2 per 100 possessions for OKC. When Grant and Russ were on the floor together in that series they were -19.9 pts/100 while Russ and Taj were +15/100. If you have some reason, other than stupidity, why Taj got 23 MPG and Grant got 22 MPG when one was helping OKC win the series and one was tanking the series I'd be very interested in those reasons. I can only logically argue stupidity, incompetence or a desire to lose by Donovan. Perhaps you can come up with something else.

Yet Grant was a +15 NetRtg that series. Gibson? -11. Small ball killed Gibson. It didn’t kill Grant.


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So you're resorting to flat out lying now?! You can see their NetRtG right there in my screenshot.

[getrichordie]

Man that roster top to bottom was gross.

Yet some keep pushing the narrative that Donovan is a terrible coach. I’ve been saying that you have to look at roster construction as context for Donovan’s decisions. He didn’t have much to work with last year (Melo) or the year before.

Roster holes are not hall passes for rosters. Bad coaching decisions don't get vindicated because the roster isn't the best in the league.

Please explain what bad coaching decisions were made in that series. The team was terrible from the free throw line. Terrible from 3. No coaching decision is going to instantly make everyone a better shooter from downtown or make them better at shooting free throws. So we shouldn’t have gotten fouled so much that series? We shouldn’t have taken 3s? I guess we should have just let Adams and Gibson dominate in post and hope our guys can hit mid-range jumpers because the defense is packing paint.


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[getrichordie]

We'll just ignore what REALLY happened and go to fantasy land. Sounds like a GREAT argument.

Russ-Dipo-roberson-Taj-Adams was +19 pts per 100 possessions and when you replaced Taj with Grant it swing 21 points making it -2 per 100 possessions for OKC. When Grant and Russ were on the floor together in that series they were -19.9 pts/100 while Russ and Taj were +15/100. If you have some reason, other than stupidity, why Taj got 23 MPG and Grant got 22 MPG when one was helping OKC win the series and one was tanking the series I'd be very interested in those reasons. I can only logically argue stupidity, incompetence or a desire to lose by Donovan. Perhaps you can come up with something else.

Yet Grant was a +15 NetRtg that series. Gibson? -11. Small ball killed Gibson. It didn’t kill Grant.


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So you're resorting to flat out lying now?! You can see their NetRtG right there in my screenshot.

No, I’m not lying. Go look at the numbers on b-ref.

You are talking about lineups. I’m talking about overall performance by these guys independent of lineups.


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[Pillendreher]

Yet Grant was a +15 NetRtg that series. Gibson? -11. Small ball killed Gibson. It didn’t kill Grant.


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So you're resorting to flat out lying now?! You can see their NetRtG right there in my screenshot.

No, I’m not lying. Go look at the numbers on b-ref.

You are talking about lineups. I’m talking about overall performance by these guys independent of lineups.


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I'm not talking about lineups fool.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612760/players-advanced/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grantje01/on-off/2017



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gibsota01/on-off/2017

[getrichordie]

So you're resorting to flat out lying now?! You can see their NetRtG right there in my screenshot.

No, I’m not lying. Go look at the numbers on b-ref.

You are talking about lineups. I’m talking about overall performance by these guys independent of lineups.


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I'm not talking about lineups fool.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612760/players-advanced/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grantje01/on-off/2017



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gibsota01/on-off/2017

My apologies. Still early for me. But Bref shows Grant’s ORtg as a 134 and his defensive rating as a 119 for the series. Not sure why. But I guess Grant’s numbers have a lot to do with being out there with the second unit and not Russ, but I’d have to do some more statistical digging to confirm that. Could be that HOU’s small ball just destroyed us.


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