Putting Dante Exum into perspective

[Pure_Basketball]

As a Miami fan I'd love to take a chance on Exum, would a Winslow / Exum trade be something that both teams might consider? I think both players need a change of scenery.

[BarneyGumble]

Here’s the truth about Exum. He’s a tall athletic guard with speed that can defend but can’t shoot, has poor ball handling skills, can’t finish at the rim, and has low basketball IQ

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The myth of Snyder being a solid development coach is crashing back down to earth with Exum and basically this entire roster regressing.

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[Luigi]

I put it more on Exum than on Snyder. Exum has had more opportunity than he has earned, at the expense of other players on the bench. He does look improved, but he's not a good player right now.

[KqWIN]

The main issue with Exum early on in the season was that he was missing layups. I thought it'd get better over time, but teams are just sitting on his right hand right now. He can only dribble and finish with his right hand. He's so fast he can still get to the rim sometimes even without any dribble moves, but his finishing is atrocious. I would say it's Rubio level finishing, but Rubio has set a new low standard for himself for awful finishing.

If we're being honest with ourselves, Exum is a replacement level player right now.

[BarneyGumble]

Watching Exum play basketball is like watching a midget on stilts.

[babyjax13]

So far Dante isn't meeting my expectations, and has shown limited signs of improvement. His increased aggressiveness and freethrow rate are promising, but he can't hold onto the ball when driving into traffic. He needs to learn to bring the ball high when going to the rim because it is getting stripped by shorter defenders - something that just shouldn't happen. This includes when he gets fouled. I am especially dissapointed by his decreased field-goal percentage, and decreased defensive effectiveness.

[Tom349]

So far Dante isn't meeting my expectations, and has shown limited signs of improvement. His increased aggressiveness and freethrow rate are promising, but he can't hold onto the ball when driving into traffic. He needs to learn to bring the ball high when going to the rim because it is getting stripped by shorter defenders - something that just shouldn't happen. This includes when he gets fouled. I am especially dissapointed by his decreased field-goal percentage, and decreased defensive effectiveness.

He has been comfortably our best perimeter defender this season, only one capable of staying in front of his man. Offensively he is on the wrong team, his lacks of skills becomes more apparent with him trying to run Quins **** offense or sit in the corner in Quins **** offense.

Needs to find another team as Quin has no idea on how to utilise athletes.

[BarneyGumble]

So far Dante isn't meeting my expectations, and has shown limited signs of improvement. His increased aggressiveness and freethrow rate are promising, but he can't hold onto the ball when driving into traffic. He needs to learn to bring the ball high when going to the rim because it is getting stripped by shorter defenders - something that just shouldn't happen. This includes when he gets fouled. I am especially dissapointed by his decreased field-goal percentage, and decreased defensive effectiveness.

He has been comfortably our best perimeter defender this season, only one capable of staying in front of his man. Offensively he is on the wrong team, his lacks of skills becomes more apparent with him trying to run Quins **** offense or sit in the corner in Quins **** offense.

Needs to find another team as Quin has no idea on how to utilise athletes.

Oh really? So do you think he would magically become a great point guard running Phil Jackson’s triangle offense? Perhaps Jerry Sloan pick and roll? Or maybe he would look like a stud point guard running Steve Kerr’s run and gun offense? The fact is Dante Exum sucks, he is a terrible offensive basketball player. He has no skills. This is why he looks terrible in Quin’s offense. Makes you look foolish to blame Quin for that.

[FJS]

Watching Exum and Rubio makes me miss Hill (when he was not injured). And it's not Hill was in the top 10 of pg that year.

[outerspacefella]

The myth of Snyder being a solid development coach is crashing back down to earth with Exum and basically this entire roster regressing.

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You cannot develope what's not there.
Kid just doesn't got it, and there is zero evidence that he will get it...
It might be he's a late blummer though... I guess that was the thinking behind Jazz giving him 10+M per right now...
Dantee looks like a Gummi Bear playing a Depredator league. It is what it is.

About the rest of them, my eyes have been telling me for a long time now that the Jazz are trying to overcoach players to get them above their roof. I do not envy Jazz brass. Last time I checked no star was knocking our door, and the league is laways looking for ways to kill D eforts because, you know, any 140-130 no D All-Star-like game seems to gain more audience that a 90-88 dog fight.

If I have to bet now, I'd bet I won't be watching many NBA games a couple years from now...

[ForeverRDjazz]

Watching Exum and Rubio makes me miss Hill (when he was not injured). And it's not Hill was in the top 10 of pg that year.

Hell no. Hill gets hurt come crunch time. Hell no on the Hill. when DM comes back i'm starting Ex DM and Jae. Time to shake the line up big time...

[tleikheen]

Here's the true facts …..Snyder sucks as a coach who keeps making his players practice 3 pter's when their not good at it. I've said many times here that Gobert would make just about every NBA a great coach but when he didn't have a healthy Gobert he couldn't coach the Jazz to a winning record. Playing Crowder as the starting 4 isn't winning for the Jazz ,he can't shoot ,can't rebound, can't dunk and struggling on defense.

As far as Exum is concerned he's stuck with a coach that likes slow over achievers .He doesn't know how to coach fast players or a fast paced offense .Exum's whole career with the Jazz was to slow down and run the offense ….the offense sucks and every Jazz fan is witnessing it now. How many times have we seen Snyder slowing his team down and never pressing the attack.

Snyder's offense and defense is not trend setting but ill prepared for athletic basketball and Exum will look way better on a team who wants to run like Sacramento ,LA ,Milwaukee ( he won't end up on those teams) and ironically probably shoot better in a wide open offense then a super structured offense (Snyder's) that's probably going the way of the dinosaur.

[tleikheen]

Exum (PG) and DM (SG) and Burks (SF) and Ingles (PF) and Gobert (C)


Rubio (PG) and Allen (SG) and Korkmaz (SF) and Crowder (PF) and Favors (C)


Trade ) Royce O'Neale (SF) 1.3 million for Furkan Korkmaz (SG) 1.7 million


Jazz can't win by 3 pt shooting ,they need to push and transition and as far as the trade ,last year David Locke called O'Neale the Lou Williams of defense ….LOL....maybe we can get Philadelphia to buy in on that. Phil didn't sign Korkmaz and he's a FA next year .Jazz need a young shooter not a defensive only player.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Here's the true facts …..Snyder sucks as a coach who keeps making his players practice 3 pter's when their not good at it. I've said many times here that Gobert would make just about every NBA a great coach but when he didn't have a healthy Gobert he couldn't coach the Jazz to a winning record. Playing Crowder as the starting 4 isn't winning for the Jazz ,he can't shoot ,can't rebound, can't dunk and struggling on defense.

As far as Exum is concerned he's stuck with a coach that likes slow over achievers .He doesn't know how to coach fast players or a fast paced offense .Exum's whole career with the Jazz was to slow down and run the offense ….the offense sucks and every Jazz fan is witnessing it now. How many times have we seen Snyder slowing his team down and never pressing the attack.

Snyder's offense and defense is not trend setting but ill prepared for athletic basketball and Exum will look way better on a team who wants to run like Sacramento ,LA ,Milwaukee ( he won't end up on those teams) and ironically probably shoot better in a wide open offense then a super structured offense (Snyder's) that's probably going the way of the dinosaur.

So, are you saying that Exum will suddenly start finishing at the rim under a new coach? If you haven't noticed the trend, guards and wings need to hit the 3pt shot these days. I was really hoping Exum would make a jump this year, but have been disappointed, and it has little to nothing to do with coaching.

The reality is that the Jazz desperately need Exum to be what his potential is as the face of the franchise is an undersized shooting guard and they need a taller PG to be his robin.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Exum (PG) and DM (SG) and Burks (SF) and Ingles (PF) and Gobert (C)


Rubio (PG) and Allen (SG) and Korkmaz (SF) and Crowder (PF) and Favors (C)


Trade ) Royce O'Neale (SF) 1.3 million for Furkan Korkmaz (SG) 1.7 million


Jazz can't win by 3 pt shooting ,they need to push and transition and as far as the trade ,last year David Locke called O'Neale the Lou Williams of defense ….LOL....maybe we can get Philadelphia to buy in on that. Phil didn't sign Korkmaz and he's a FA next year .Jazz need a young shooter not a defensive only player.

The reason you have Ingles as the PF and Burks the SF is that Exum can't shoot or score. Since Crowder and Favors are a horrible combination per the stats, we really need a tall PG that can score, preferably from distance, to pair with DM and have Ingles, Crowder and Gobert finish off the starting lineup.

I'd be willing to take a flyer on Kormaz and hope that he comes around. I doubt the 76ers do that trade, though.

[Inigo Montoya]

I actually think the Sixers might do that. Royce is on a very cheap contract with two non-guaranteed seasons and a team QO on the last, and the Sixers had already declined their 3rd year option on Korkmaz, who had reportedly asked for a trade.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/76ers-furkan-korkmaz-third-year-option-declined/

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-furkan-korkmaz-requested-trade-182951379.html?guccounter=1

[KqWIN]

One of the reasons I was so optimistic, and still somewhat am of Exum. His character and work ethic. We’ve seen quite a few young Jazz players groan/quit on the team when things don’t go their way. Exum has faced a ton of adversity but keeps working.

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[GimmeDat]

One thing I've found about Exum in the time that I have watched him is that he plays a bit too much of a finesse game for someone who is so big for his position. Almost a bit soft offensively. He's also either 0 or 100 speed wise, and always straight line.. I just watched some highlights of SGA, a PG with similar dimensions, and he's not nearly as athletic, but he probes the defense with more patience and a more versatile, live dribble. It also helps that he is physical getting deep position against other guards, and will use his body to bully his way in to shots in that mid-range or high key area. It also obviously helps that he has a more functional jumpshot than Exum that he can pull in to.

In comparison, Exum either has a straight line to drive or he doesn't. And he often does, because he's fast AF, but I think this lack of nuance limits his ability to be a 'true PG', despite being a decent passer. And that's okay, but if you can't be a floor general type point can run an offense, then you need to be able to play off the ball. He has the size and athleticism to do so, but he doesn't have the off-ball game right now. I don't think his form is horrible, it's stiff and lacks a lot of functionality, but if he's set it looks fine, and it sounds like he shoots it well in practice, and he also shoots FT's relatively well (around 80%). So I don't get why he misses so many spot up looks even, I guess it just must not take much to through him off his form. Maybe speeding it up a little, making it a little bit more one motion, even if it remains quite a set shot, would help in this regard. And again, when it comes to off-ball play, he could be a great off-ball cutter if he was more active and finished with physicality.

I believe his issues with finishing are a combination of him always going so fast to the rim, with him always going for finesse finishes with one hand. He's always trying to beat his opponent to the rim, and as a 6'6 PG, that shouldn't have to be the case. He needs to have patience, be more physical inside, and not always use one hand! Even if he uses his body to get deep position and pushes up a little floater over them. Obviously a true in-between game would be even better, but I think that's an even bigger reach for him to develop.

Also needs to work on having a strong dribble at all times, idk if he's just being casual/loose with it, or maybe his handle just can't keep up with the speed he plays at, but sometimes he dribbles it too low for his stance and he needs to like go collect it. He's way too one hand dominant also.. he needs to mix that up and ideally develop some basic changes of direction.. doesn't need to be anything fancy, and it'll be easier once he slows his game up and uses *change* of speed more effectively.

I'm probably not telling you guys anything you don't already know, but just my 2cents. It's just a bit frustrating because the potential is still completely there, but he still plays like a raw athlete project type 3 years into his 4th season. Even still, I think he brings a lot to the table and needs freedom and opportunity to find these developments in his game.. he's never going to expand what he does out on the court unless he has that rope.

[BudTugly]

Basically Exum has no countermove. He has no pull-up J. No left hand. No euro step. He is a bad shooter and his handle is not great.

Exum is useful against teams that use that stupid switch defense. He can run past almost anybody and can see the floor ok.