Game 18: Memphis Grizzlies (12-5) @ Los Angeles Clippers (11-6) - 12:30 PM PT

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Oh no, the Bucks fans are blaming Bud for the loss to the Suns at home. No way he wouldn't coach a perfect game every single game right??

sounds familiar

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On another note, Ryan Hollins is terrible...

I liked him a lot, much better than ESL master-of-the-obvious Corey. Not a fan of Ryan's unctuousness in the pre- and post-game, but I was surprised how much I liked his short and spare analysis in-game. I tuned in late and didn't even know it was him but was just relieved it wasn't Corey.

I thought Ryan was talking TOO MUCH though...lol He wouldn't stop yapping and talking about how many guys he's played with

you're right about that part

it was annoying af

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[Galloisdaman]

Regarding plus minus sometimes correlation does not equal causation. Trezz was a minus for most of yesterdays game.

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The Clippers no longer have any superstars. No single player is the face of the franchise. They’re fueled by feistiness instead of finesse, reliant on teamwork instead of the spectacular individual feats that made their Lob City era a highlight reel that never included the ultimate highlight of a long playoff run.

After DeAndre Jordan followed Chris Paul and Blake Griffin out the door, the Clippers were considered a fringe playoff contender this season, deep and hard-working but not the equal of their flashy predecessors. But here they are, leading the Pacific Division and in a four-way tie atop the Western Conference before Portland faced Golden State on Friday night. The nobodies have become a somebody, and they’re enjoying every dramatic minute of it.

The Revenge Of The Role Players is more like it.

Anybody wanna do a Revenge Of The Nerds mock poster with Clippers?

[Galloisdaman]

Kind of interesting that the Clippers have a better record than CP, Blake, and DJ's teams so far this season.

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Regarding plus minus sometimes correlation does not equal causation. Trezz was a minus for most of yesterdays game.

Well, that vindicates Doc for leaving him in and he dug his way out. Trezz was playing with the 2nd unit, so of course how your unit does can drag you down. Lou was the only other Clipper in the minus, at minus-5. By contrast, Shai was the only starter in the red, and minus-10 was a pretty deep hole, one he never dug out of.

Plus/minus doesn't necessarily mean you're having a bad game, but it certainly can.

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[Wammy Giveaway]

Plus/minus doesn't necessarily mean you're having a bad game, but it certainly can.

Many factors can play into a negative difference.

1. A team could be super hot and blow your opponents right off the water. The Lakers have a negative difference across the board during the Clippers franchise record margin of victory in 2014. Just for fun, Lakers were a -180 in that game.

2. A team could have a positive net rating from one end yet still lose in another. The miracle 27-point comeback vs. Grizzlies in 2012 had the Clipper starters in the negative and bench in the plus while the Grizzlies were the complete opposite. If I were to calculate each and every player's difference rating per team, Clippers were +5, Grizzlies were -5. Positive and negative 5 cancel each other out.

Difference rating is definitely open to interpretation.

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[esqtvd]

Plus/minus doesn't necessarily mean you're having a bad game, but it certainly can.

Many factors can play into a negative difference.

1. A team could be super hot and blow your opponents right off the water. The Lakers have a negative difference across the board during the Clippers franchise record margin of victory in 2014. Just for fun, Lakers were a -180 in that game.

2. A team could have a positive net rating from one end yet still lose in another. The miracle 27-point comeback vs. Grizzlies in 2012 had the Clipper starters in the negative and bench in the plus while the Grizzlies were the complete opposite. If I were to calculate each and every player's difference rating per team, Clippers were +5, Grizzlies were -5. Positive and negative 5 cancel each other out.

Difference rating is definitely open to interpretation.

Sorry, not following you. In the Grizz game, CP and BG were about even; the other 3 starters were minus-27, 24 and 19. 3 bench players were plus+28, 24 and 23. Just what you'd expect.

Now it doesn't necessarily mean that the 3 starters were playing badly but it does mean that the combination of the starting 5 wasn't working. Bring 3 new people in to play with CP and BG, and BOOM!!

Yesterday's game is even easier to suss out. When Shai hit the pine, Trezz's plus/minus started to climb. Yes, there are always other factors, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Galloisdaman]

Regarding plus minus sometimes correlation does not equal causation. Trezz was a minus for most of yesterdays game.

Well, that vindicates Doc for leaving him in and he dug his way out. Trezz was playing with the 2nd unit, so of course how your unit does can drag you down. Lou was the only other Clipper in the minus, at minus-5. By contrast, Shai was the only starter in the red, and minus-10 was a pretty deep hole, one he never dug out of.

Plus/minus doesn't necessarily mean you're having a bad game, but it certainly can.

Did you see the Kyle Anderson stat I posted earlier? That was crazy. 0 points but a plus 30.

[esqtvd]

Regarding plus minus sometimes correlation does not equal causation. Trezz was a minus for most of yesterdays game.

Well, that vindicates Doc for leaving him in and he dug his way out. Trezz was playing with the 2nd unit, so of course how your unit does can drag you down. Lou was the only other Clipper in the minus, at minus-5. By contrast, Shai was the only starter in the red, and minus-10 was a pretty deep hole, one he never dug out of.

Plus/minus doesn't necessarily mean you're having a bad game, but it certainly can.

Did you see the Kyle Anderson stat I posted earlier? That was crazy. 0 points but a plus 30.

Exactly. Beverley and Bradley have done OK in plus/minus although they seldom trouble the official scorer much. It's all about combinations. One plus defender can lift a whole unit. And in Anderson's case, lifetime he's a negative on offense but a big plus on D. Plus/minus is a down-and-dirty way to gauge somebody's defensive contribution.

And in-game, a crap plus/minus when everybody else's is pretty good is a sign of WTF. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Galloisdaman]

Well, that vindicates Doc for leaving him in and he dug his way out. Trezz was playing with the 2nd unit, so of course how your unit does can drag you down. Lou was the only other Clipper in the minus, at minus-5. By contrast, Shai was the only starter in the red, and minus-10 was a pretty deep hole, one he never dug out of.

Plus/minus doesn't necessarily mean you're having a bad game, but it certainly can.

Did you see the Kyle Anderson stat I posted earlier? That was crazy. 0 points but a plus 30.

Exactly. Beverley and Bradley have done OK in plus/minus although they seldom trouble the official scorer much. It's all about combinations. One plus defender can lift a whole unit. And in Anderson's case, lifetime he's a negative on offense but a big plus on D. Plus/minus is a down-and-dirty way to gauge somebody's defensive contribution.

And in-game, a crap plus/minus when everybody else's is pretty good is a sign of WTF. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Honestly I do not think Anderson was a plus 30 by being a good defender in that game. I think he was a plus 30 mostly because the guys he played with were huge pluses by outscoring the other team. LA was plus 32 while scoring 33 points. Mills and Green were both plus 27. I think it was a fluke where correlation did not equal causation. Anderson only played 22 minutes. The least of the starters.

[esqtvd]

Did you see the Kyle Anderson stat I posted earlier? That was crazy. 0 points but a plus 30.

Exactly. Beverley and Bradley have done OK in plus/minus although they seldom trouble the official scorer much. It's all about combinations. One plus defender can lift a whole unit. And in Anderson's case, lifetime he's a negative on offense but a big plus on D. Plus/minus is a down-and-dirty way to gauge somebody's defensive contribution.

And in-game, a crap plus/minus when everybody else's is pretty good is a sign of WTF. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Honestly I do not think Anderson was a plus 30 by being a good defender in that game. I think he was a plus 30 mostly because the guys he played with were huge pluses by outscoring the other team. LA was plus 32 while scoring 33 points. Mills and Green were both plus 27. I think it was a fluke where correlation did not equal causation. Anderson only played 22 minutes. The least of the starters.

I think a bad minus is more significant than a lucky plus. Yes, you can be in the right place at the right time, like when Bobi starts going off for 10 points in 3 minutes. But if you're minus-10 when everybody else is in the black, maybe something's wrong.