Rui Hachimura

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Let’s assume that he wouldn’t be a disaster at the 3: what’s the advantage to playing him there? He wouldn’t be more skilled or athletic than the guy he faces most nights. Just bigger. So do you post him up and drag a second defender into the lane? I just don’t see his upside as a wing.

[King Ken]

Man, this guy reminds me so much of Cincinnati' Kenyon Martin.
The jumper, the off the ball offense and defense, the polish, the athletic ability, the physicality, the size, the quickness for his size, the ability to finish, the screens, the toughness, he looks a lot like him as a prospect. He doesn't block shots nowhere near Kenyon but he is a more discipline defender as a prospect and uses verticality a lot.

[GimmeDat]

He's definitely a 4.

[SpeedyG]

Man, this guy reminds me so much of Cincinnati' Kenyon Martin.
The jumper, the off the ball offense and defense, the polish, the athletic ability, the physicality, the size, the quickness for his size, the ability to finish, the screens, the toughness, he looks a lot like him as a prospect. He doesn't block shots nowhere near Kenyon but he is a more discipline defender as a prospect and uses verticality a lot.

Jumper and polish were not synonyms to Kenyon's game.

Rui is also not the ferocious athlete and player that Kenyon was.

I don't see this comparison at all.

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[Chicago-Bull-E]

Let’s assume that he wouldn’t be a disaster at the 3: what’s the advantage to playing him there? He wouldn’t be more skilled or athletic than the guy he faces most nights. Just bigger. So do you post him up and drag a second defender into the lane? I just don’t see his upside as a wing.

Well it's a matter of fit on a team. If you clearly have a long term player at the 4, you'd like to play Hachimura at the 3. The Bulls are a good example of this.

The guy clearly likes to attack the basket off the dribble. He isn't the fastest or the best ball handler admittedly, but the 3 position in the NBA also has the widest array of players. Gallinari starts at the 3 and does so successfully. There are roughly 5-10 starters that Rui would likely hang with in terms of skill level when it comes to ballhandling and speed. But he'd be on the bottom end of those talents for sure.

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[isiah_thomas]

Who do people like better between him and Deandre Hunter?

[GimmeDat]

Who do people like better between him and Deandre Hunter?

I'm going Hunter. I think he more effectively can play the 3 (on top of both of them being able to play the 4), he's way ahead as a defender, and both are good offensive prospects but more in the role player mold.

I think Hachimura has a slightly higher ceiling offensively with his tools, but has to continue to prove his development on that end, and I don't think that makes up for the defensive disparity.

The only way I would buy in to Hachimura>Hunter is if I bought in to Rui being this late bloomer who will see a high level of development from this point on despite his age. Which I think is possible, but I wouldn't bank on it.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Let’s assume that he wouldn’t be a disaster at the 3: what’s the advantage to playing him there? He wouldn’t be more skilled or athletic than the guy he faces most nights. Just bigger. So do you post him up and drag a second defender into the lane? I just don’t see his upside as a wing.

Well it's a matter of fit on a team. If you clearly have a long term player at the 4, you'd like to play Hachimura at the 3. The Bulls are a good example of this.

The guy clearly likes to attack the basket off the dribble. He isn't the fastest or the best ball handler admittedly, but the 3 position in the NBA also has the widest array of players. Gallinari starts at the 3 and does so successfully. There are roughly 5-10 starters that Rui would likely hang with in terms of skill level when it comes to ballhandling and speed. But he'd be on the bottom end of those talents for sure.

The bolded part is my problem with Rui at SF. Are his athleticism or instincts so phenomenal that you live with the skill disadvantage? Not in my assessment.

That being said, I'm warming to him as an overall prospect. He has a lot going against him, but he also has a lot of "it" moments. I could very easily see him being the kind of player whose impact exceeds the sum of his attributes.

[reignfire]

Why does he have a Japanese last name when his father is not Japanese?

[King Ken]

Man, this guy reminds me so much of Cincinnati' Kenyon Martin.
The jumper, the off the ball offense and defense, the polish, the athletic ability, the physicality, the size, the quickness for his size, the ability to finish, the screens, the toughness, he looks a lot like him as a prospect. He doesn't block shots nowhere near Kenyon but he is a more discipline defender as a prospect and uses verticality a lot.

Jumper and polish were not synonyms to Kenyon's game.

Rui is also not the ferocious athlete and player that Kenyon was.

I don't see this comparison at all.

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[Ca]

Man, this guy reminds me so much of Cincinnati' Kenyon Martin.
The jumper, the off the ball offense and defense, the polish, the athletic ability, the physicality, the size, the quickness for his size, the ability to finish, the screens, the toughness, he looks a lot like him as a prospect. He doesn't block shots nowhere near Kenyon but he is a more discipline defender as a prospect and uses verticality a lot.

Jumper and polish were not synonyms to Kenyon's game.

Rui is also not the ferocious athlete and player that Kenyon was.

I don't see this comparison at all.

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Watch Kenyon at Cincy again

No way.

Kenyon Martin shot 2/9 from 3's in his career at Cincy. He was also a career 58% FT shooter in college.

[Hoopz Afrik]

Who do people like better between him and Deandre Hunter?

I'm super high on Rui but I really wouldn't be surprised if DeAndre Hunter developed into a perennial all-star in this NBA. I'm giving DeAndre the slight edge.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who do people like better between him and Deandre Hunter?

I'm going Hunter. I think he more effectively can play the 3 (on top of both of them being able to play the 4), he's way ahead as a defender, and both are good offensive prospects but more in the role player mold.

I think Hachimura has a slightly higher ceiling offensively with his tools, but has to continue to prove his development on that end, and I don't think that makes up for the defensive disparity.

The only way I would buy in to Hachimura>Hunter is if I bought in to Rui being this late bloomer who will see a high level of development from this point on despite his age. Which I think is possible, but I wouldn't bank on it.

I'm easily going Hunter. Hunter is IMO the best defender in college basketball, and the most versatile (although he needs to continue to get stronger and work on his post defense). His offense is a work in progress, but handle looks tighter (still needs work, but more comfortable handling), passing is better (drive & kicks), and his shot looks way better (showing some off the dribble J comfortability, too).

Rui can score, but I question his feel on offense and he's a poor defender.

[eminence]

Any consensus on the top Gonzaga prospect? All of Hachimura/Norvell/Clarke/Tillie, is it crazy to think Perkins deserves a look as well(not as their top guy, but just overall)?

[No-Man]

Any consensus on the top Gonzaga prospect? All of Hachimura/Norvell/Clarke/Tillie, is it crazy to think Perkins deserves a look as well(not as their top guy, but just overall)?

Perkins is fine, but it's hard to bring enough value with his profile to get drafted, you want a guy like that, but you want to get him undrafted if he pans out

[doordoor123]

Any consensus on the top Gonzaga prospect? All of Hachimura/Norvell/Clarke/Tillie, is it crazy to think Perkins deserves a look as well(not as their top guy, but just overall)?

Hachimura is likely a late lottery pick (my opinion is too high) as of right now. Tillie Probably late first/early second, but if he can play better than last year when he returns he could go higher. This class is deep with shooting guards. I think Norvell is a middle second rounder to Undrafted. Clarke it’s hard to tell right now. Could be late first/early second, but he can also play his way higher or lower than that.

[clyde21]

Clarke has been an absolute menace. 4bpg as a 6-7 wing. 38 PER, 75 TS%, 22 BPM. Just absurd what he's doing out there right now, and looked like he belong with the top guys at Duke the entire time.

Really intriguing prospect. Dude can play the 3, 4 and even small ball 5.

[GimmeDat]

Clarke has been an absolute menace. 4bpg as a 6-7 wing. 38 PER, 75 TS%, 22 BPM. Just absurd what he's doing out there right now, and looked like he belong with the top guys at Duke the entire time.

Really intriguing prospect. Dude can play the 3, 4 and even small ball 5.

I haven't seen enough of Brandon Clarke, but can't he still not shoot a lick? Last I heard his form looks better but he's 11/23 from the line so far this season (though 2/2 from 3). Is his lack of shooting workable at the 3? It's even a fair drawback for him to play PF I would imagine.

[clyde21]

Clarke has been an absolute menace. 4bpg as a 6-7 wing. 38 PER, 75 TS%, 22 BPM. Just absurd what he's doing out there right now, and looked like he belong with the top guys at Duke the entire time.

Really intriguing prospect. Dude can play the 3, 4 and even small ball 5.

I haven't seen enough of Brandon Clarke, but can't he still not shoot a lick? Last I heard his form looks better but he's 11/23 from the line so far this season (though 2/2 from 3). Is his lack of shooting workable at the 3? It's even a fair drawback for him to play PF I would imagine.

well yeah, but if he could shoot he might be a top 10 guy

[No-Man]

Brandon Clarke can't play the 3 lol, what are you guys talking about