2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

[baldur]

Luka doncic was the most NBA ready rookie. Actually Dallas should tank this year and add another key piece to Luka.

they dont have their pick unless its top 5.

I also think Luka is pretty good defender, what do you guys think? I think his lack of defense was way overblown.

That's why I said they need to tank to have their own pick.

[RaptorsLife]

Would still pick ayton number 1. He's been great

[Pachinko_]

We tried to explain all summer but nobody really listened. Doncic has a huge advantage because the team he was playing for last year was not much worse than his team this year, and his responsibilities are not all that different. This is not just another Euro, it's the best player from the best team, all that is another day in the office for him. And on top of that he's at an age where he is still learning like a sponge and gets better every day.

But at the end of the day all that doesn't matter, it's all about 2-3 years from now and beyond. Does Ayton have the fire to become a winner, can he do what it takes to take the next step? If the Suns believe the answer is yes and their guy will grow into something special then they absolutely did the right thing, and don't worry about Doncic.

[Bob8]

acb league, euroleague, preparation games, regular season, playoffs...won't change much. the real Luka we will see, when they build the team around him and give him the keys. and then the real hype will start.

...or cool down. You said it yourself, he was not playing that good in EU against better defense. Again not saying he will not do well, but look at other rookies from last year - Tatum, Mitchell, many more examples. They are still too young, there are ups and downs, you can't guarantee anything in this league.

How do you think, he didn’t played that well in Europe? He was first team of Eurobasket, where many Nba players played. MVP of regular season in Euroleague. MVP of ACB league. MVP of F4 in Euroleague. He has won everything with Slovenia, Real and he has won almost all individual awards. In the league, where nobody under 23 has important role in his club. If the best player in Europe didn’t play well, who did?

The truth is, it’s impossible for anybody to have stats like in Nba in Europe. LeBron had 13/4/4 in Fiba competitions.

LeBron in Fiba,

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/p/rpp//q/LeBron%20JAMES/pid/48642/_//players.html

Yes, I know, team stacked with stars, but it’s still LeBron. And he was loosing some important games too.

[Bob8]

I'm not really impressed by Luka's stats but I have to admit I didn't think he could have lead the Mavs to this kind of record after 20 games.

I'm actually quite the opposite.

The Mavs are a good, balanced team and a bunch of other players are doing well, even their bench players. Not taking anything away from Luka, but this is the ridiculous thing not the pass in the video above - putting all the credit for team success on one player.

It’s all relative, but Mavericks were 3/15 last year and are 9/9 this year. Big improvement, having big problems with injuries. Your Suns were 7/11 last year and are 4/14 this year.

[sunsbg]

You must be joking. Did you read a single post from me or Bob8 and tried to understand it ?

I did read it, and to me it seems that it's bothering you that Luka is praised here and in the media for a very obvious, consistently good rookie performance. How exactly is the hype undeserved?

Do you really think the pass in the clip I quoted originally is ridiculously good ? Any professional player with decent court vision should be able to do it, especially a player of Doncic's size. Do you also believe team success can be attributed to one player ? This kind of praises are what bothers most of the neutral fans. Not sure about Mavs' fans, but Bob8 surely doesn't recognize Ayton's talent.

[Dr Aki]

EuroLeague champion (2018) and EuroLeague MVP (2018), 2× EuroLeague Rising Star (2017, 2018), All-EuroLeague First Team (2018)
EuroBasket champion (2017)
3× Liga ACB champion (2015, 2016, 2018), Liga ACB MVP (2018), 2× ACB Best Young Player (2017, 2018), All-Liga ACB First Team (2018), 3× ACB All-Young Players Team (2016–2018)

STILL FREAKING 19 YEARS OLD

nah, not the best prospect

[Bob8]

You must be joking. Did you read a single post from me or Bob8 and tried to understand it ?

I did read it, and to me it seems that it's bothering you that Luka is praised here and in the media for a very obvious, consistently good rookie performance. How exactly is the hype undeserved?

Do you really think the pass in the clip I quoted originally is ridiculously good ? Any professional player with decent court vision should be able to do it, especially a player of Doncic's size. Do you also believe team success can be attributed to one player ? This kind of praises are what bothers most of the neutral fans. Not sure about Mavs' fans, but Bob8 surely doesn't recognize Ayton's talent.

I recognize the talent, especially offensive, but a C, who doesn’t know how to play the D. and cannot protect the rim is very limited in today’s Nba. I’m 100% sure, that Suns would have had better record with Luka.

[sunsbg]

I'm not really impressed by Luka's stats but I have to admit I didn't think he could have lead the Mavs to this kind of record after 20 games.

I'm actually quite the opposite.

The Mavs are a good, balanced team and a bunch of other players are doing well, even their bench players. Not taking anything away from Luka, but this is the ridiculous thing not the pass in the video above - putting all the credit for team success on one player.

It’s all relative, but Mavericks were 3/15 last year and are 9/9 this year. Big improvement, having big problems with injuries. Your Suns were 7/11 last year and are 4/14 this year.

And that's because of Ayton, right ? It doesn't matter the Suns are best with him and Bridges on the court - two rookies. You are getting old really with this, please change the record.

[Bob8]

I'm actually quite the opposite.

The Mavs are a good, balanced team and a bunch of other players are doing well, even their bench players. Not taking anything away from Luka, but this is the ridiculous thing not the pass in the video above - putting all the credit for team success on one player.

It’s all relative, but Mavericks were 3/15 last year and are 9/9 this year. Big improvement, having big problems with injuries. Your Suns were 7/11 last year and are 4/14 this year.

And that's because of Ayton, right ? It doesn't matter the Suns are best with him and Bridges on the court. You are getting old really with this, please change the record.

It’s obviously that adding number 1 pick didn’t help their record. Normally having #1 pick should help, don’t you think? I believe Luka helped Dallas a lot. Ayton? Doesn’t look like he has.

[sunsbg]

It’s all relative, but Mavericks were 3/15 last year and are 9/9 this year. Big improvement, having big problems with injuries. Your Suns were 7/11 last year and are 4/14 this year.

And that's because of Ayton, right ? It doesn't matter the Suns are best with him and Bridges on the court. You are getting old really with this, please change the record.

It’s obviously that adding number 1 pick didn’t help their record. Normally having #1 pick should help, don’t you think?

Thoughest schedule in the league, new coach and system, only 17 games...

[Bob8]

And that's because of Ayton, right ? It doesn't matter the Suns are best with him and Bridges on the court. You are getting old really with this, please change the record.

It’s obviously that adding number 1 pick didn’t help their record. Normally having #1 pick should help, don’t you think?

Thoughest schedule in the league, new coach and system, only 17 games...

I agree in some extent. But look how impactful are some other rookies, JJJ for example.

[sunsbg]

It’s obviously that adding number 1 pick didn’t help their record. Normally having #1 pick should help, don’t you think?

Thoughest schedule in the league, new coach and system, only 17 games...

I agree in some extant. But look how impactful are some other rookies, JJJ for example.

JJJ looks good, but he has trouble staying on the court on a good defensive team. He will foul out in 10 mins on the Suns.

[CloudWalker]

You must be joking. Did you read a single post from me or Bob8 and tried to understand it ?

I did read it, and to me it seems that it's bothering you that Luka is praised here and in the media for a very obvious, consistently good rookie performance. How exactly is the hype undeserved?

Do you really think the pass in the clip I quoted originally is ridiculously good ? Any professional player with decent court vision should be able to do it, especially a player of Doncic's size. Do you also believe team success can be attributed to one player ? This kind of praises are what bothers most of the neutral fans. Not sure about Mavs' fans, but Bob8 surely doesn't recognize Ayton's talent.

You're all over the place. That one poster was clearly impressed, thought it was a special pass and posted a video to share it with others, where's the problem? He didn't say "Omg, Luka the GOAT, everyone else sucks buuuu". If there's anyone making a big deal out of nothing it's you.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s obviously that adding number 1 pick didn’t help their record. Normally having #1 pick should help, don’t you think?

Thoughest schedule in the league, new coach and system, only 17 games...

I agree in some extent. But look how impactful are some other rookies, JJJ for example.

have multiple seats

Read on Twitter

[sunsbg]

I did read it, and to me it seems that it's bothering you that Luka is praised here and in the media for a very obvious, consistently good rookie performance. How exactly is the hype undeserved?

Do you really think the pass in the clip I quoted originally is ridiculously good ? Any professional player with decent court vision should be able to do it, especially a player of Doncic's size. Do you also believe team success can be attributed to one player ? This kind of praises are what bothers most of the neutral fans. Not sure about Mavs' fans, but Bob8 surely doesn't recognize Ayton's talent.

You're all over the place. That one poster was clearly impressed, thought it was a special pass and posted a video to share it with others, where's the problem? He didn't say "Omg, Luka the GOAT, everyone else sucks buuuu". If there's anyone making a big deal out of nothing it's you.

I would have ignored this 'ridiculous good' post, but the 'pass and assist' part looked too funny to me, so I replied, then Bob8 raised from the ashes and the rest is a history. It's a message board, where's the problem ?

[Bob8]

Thoughest schedule in the league, new coach and system, only 17 games...

I agree in some extent. But look how impactful are some other rookies, JJJ for example.

have multiple seats

Read on Twitter

Even if I admit he was the main reason for all Suns wins, which is a big exaggeration, it’s not that impressive, don’t you agree?

[Optms]

Josh Jackson JR will be the best player from this draft class. Future MVP caliber prospect. Luka is just ahead of the curb but his potential will always be limited because he doesn't possess elite athletic tools.

I see All-stars in his future. But will always be a second/third tier star. Josh Jacks: Future MVP. Anthony Davis-esque. Calling it now.

[Greek]

Josh Jackson JR will be the best player from this draft class. Future MVP caliber prospect. Luka is just ahead of the curb but his potential will always be limited because he doesn't possess elite athletic tools.

I see All-stars in his future. But will always be a second/third tier star. Josh Jacks: Future MVP. Anthony Davis-esque. Calling it now.

Meh, if he wants to be AD, he has to learn how to rebound at least...

[saritasbora]

Josh Jackson JR will be the best player from this draft class. Future MVP caliber prospect. Luka is just ahead of the curb but his potential will always be limited because he doesn't possess elite athletic tools.

I see All-stars in his future. But will always be a second/third tier star. Josh Jacks: Future MVP. Anthony Davis-esque. Calling it now.

Josh Jackson_??
You mean Jarren Jackson I guess? Josh Jackson is already a bust.