Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[daoneandonly]

I don't need to worry about ACA, do you miss the part where I go through insurance from my employer. Up until I was 21, I was on my parent's plan,. they busted their butts in jobs they did not encessarily like to provide for their kids, that includes health insurance. I am at the job I am now, big chunk due to the benefits related to health insurance and retirement, the job sucks, i hate it, but thats whart a real man or woman does, they work to support themselves and make their ends meet.

And whats your definition of pre-existing condition? isnt it use din the context of having a condition and not being denied health insurance, I have insurance, I've always had it, so stop talking irrelevant stuff like that and ACA as your arguments.

There are ppl who have far worse conditions than me, but they also pay, they go through their employer or whatever. I use health insurance, they use health insurance. What I don't use is PP, and never will, yet I still get to pay for that. How many hundreds of thousands of companies offer health insurance, but no, lets have the government intervene so kumbaya we can live the commune lifestyle.

Oh I know how ACA impacts my health insurance

You both are oh so clever, you mock someone with a condition who does this crazy thing called work a full time job so he can pay for his stuff himself. It's called having a sense of responsibility, pride, and here's that word yet again, accountability. But go ahead and get your contraception from PP on the tax payer's dime.

[pancakes3]

^ and poof, back to no longer being a single-issue voter.

[Jamaaliver]

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GM Just Laid Off 15,000 Workers Less Than One Year After Trump Promised Tax Cuts Would Save US Jobs

Less than one year after Trump’s historic tax cuts — some aimed toward corporations, and made with promises of job security for Americans across the country — General Motors announced on Monday that it would be laying off 14,700 of its workers in the United States.

According to a Twitter message from the Washington Post, the motor company is set to fire 15 percent of its salaried workers, as well as to end production at five plants in the U.S. and in Canada.

One of the plants that is closing, per reporting from the Chicago Tribune, is a production facility just outside of Youngtown, Ohio. Just this past summer, President Donald Trump said that jobs were coming back to the area as a result of his policies and laws passed. Trump told workers in that community not to sell their homes because jobs were “coming back.”

Not surprisingly, Trump’s rhetoric didn’t match the reality of the situation. In fact, just the opposite is happening: rather than jobs coming back, opportunities for workers are leaving — and workers who were once employed will soon need to find new jobs following these closures.

Less than one year ago, Trump promised that his tax cuts — which largely benefited corporations and wealthy Americans — would spur jobs growth across the nation.

This is not a phenomenon that is unique to GM, which benefited greatly from the Trump tax cuts over the past year. Pfizer, AT&T, and Kimberly-Clark also laid off large portions of their workforce following the passage of the tax package, according to reporting from CheatSheet.

The problematic reasons for GM laying off thousands of workers may not have been avoidable. But the tax cuts that were passed last year were sold on the premise of retaining jobs in the United States — and creating more of them as well. Trump made a promise to these communities, specifically, that their jobs would be secure because of his tax cuts. In the end, that was a promise broken — and one that these workers shouldn’t forget any time soon.

The Inquisitr

[queridiculo]

The only thing being mocked here is your consistent hypocrisy.

[nate33]

Wow. #MAGA

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It doesn't say where those cuts will take place, other than there is definitely a plant closing in Canada. It may well be that most of the closings are in Canada and Mexico, with the U.S. not losing much thanks to Trump's tariff policies. We won't know until union negotiations take place.

It's pretty hard to argue that Trump's presidency has been a negative for manufacturing. MAGA indeed:


Source https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

[daoneandonly]

^ and poof, back to no longer being a single-issue voter.

Come on man, I gave you some props for being one of the few on the left who just shares his points without personal attacks, and you do me like that?

[daoneandonly]

The only thing being mocked here is your consistent hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy, by that you mean the left who blast Trump for how he's handling Saudi and the Kashoogi thing (rightfully so) but then herald Hillary as a great candidate and not bad like Trump, though her foundation took millions from them

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Hypocrisy, of my body, my choice, the government should not have a say, but we'll use government funded institutions like PP for our bodies, that hypocrisy?

or

Hypocrisy, California has more people than others so they should have the most Senators, because majority should always win. Yet majority have health insurance yet we have to create the ACA for the minority subset that does not. majority of ppl don't need a good chunk of the services government tax payers pay for, but yet we still ahve them for the small subset. Majority only seems to matter when convenient.

or

Hypocrisy, liberals against the death penalty, but put Obama on the pedestal of all pedestals for killing Bin laden or Gadaffi, that capital punishment was okay because the cool guy had a hand in it.

[stilldropin20]

here you go, libs! A player you can truly cheer for!! too bad he plays for my team.

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[Doug_Blew]

Oh I know how ACA impacts my health insurance

You both are oh so clever, you mock someone with a condition who does this crazy thing called work a full time job so he can pay for his stuff himself. It's called having a sense of responsibility, pride, and here's that word yet again, accountability. But go ahead and get your contraception from PP on the tax payer's dime.

Are we supposed to be impressed that you work a full time job? You seem to harp on this quite a bit. I really don't see anyone else on this board bragging that they are employed. Seems like the bar is set kind of low.

[daoneandonly]

You both are oh so clever, you mock someone with a condition who does this crazy thing called work a full time job so he can pay for his stuff himself. It's called having a sense of responsibility, pride, and here's that word yet again, accountability. But go ahead and get your contraception from PP on the tax payer's dime.

Are we supposed to be impressed that you work a full time job? You seem to harp on this quite a bit. I really don't see anyone else on this board bragging that they are employed. Seems like the bar is set kind of low.

No thats actually my point, it's not some huge feat and can easily be done. So why don't more ppl just do it instead of being lazy and expect others to pay their way, health insurance, contraception,. etc?

[Doug_Blew]

You both are oh so clever, you mock someone with a condition who does this crazy thing called work a full time job so he can pay for his stuff himself. It's called having a sense of responsibility, pride, and here's that word yet again, accountability. But go ahead and get your contraception from PP on the tax payer's dime.

Are we supposed to be impressed that you work a full time job? You seem to harp on this quite a bit. I really don't see anyone else on this board bragging that they are employed. Seems like the bar is set kind of low.

No thats actually my point, it's not some huge feat and can easily be done. So why don't more ppl just do it instead of being lazy and expect others to pay their way, health insurance, contraception,. etc?

Current unemployment is 3.7%. Lots of people working now.

[Jamaaliver]

The Three Most Chilling Conclusions From the Climate Report



On Friday afternoon, the U.S. government published a major and ominous climate report. Despite being released on a holiday, when it seemed the smallest number of people would be paying attention, the latest installment of the National Climate Assessment is, as told to my colleague Robinson Meyer, full of “information that every human needs.”

The document’s dire claims, backed by 13 federal agencies, come frequently into conflict with the aims of the administration that released it.

Here are the report’s three most chilling conclusions:

1. Extreme hot weather is getting more common, and cold weather more rare.

In its first chapter, the National Climate Assessment reports that heat-wave season has expanded by more than 40 days since the 1960s. In the bleakest scenario of unchecked climate change, Phoenix could have as many as 150 days per year above 100 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century.

Extreme high temperatures are projected to increase even more than average temperatures. Cold waves are projected to become less intense and heat waves more intense. The number of days below freezing is projected to decline, while the number of days above 90°F is projected to rise.



2. Climate change has doubled the devastation from wildfires in the Southwest.

According to the report, human-caused climate change has heated and dried out the American Southwest, leading to deaths, enormous costs, and lingering health consequences.

Climate change has led to an increase in the area burned by wildfire in the western United States. Analyses estimate that the area burned by wildfire from 1984 to 2015 was twice what would have burned had climate change not occurred. Furthermore, the area burned from 1916 to 2003 was more closely related to climate factors than to fire suppression, local fire management, or other non-climate factors.



3. Rising sea levels will necessitate mass migrations, and coastal cities aren’t doing enough.

The report’s chapter on the coastal effects of climate change warns that sea-level rise alone could force tens of millions of people to move from their homes within the next century.

Climate change impacts are expected to drive human migration from coastal locations, but exactly how remains uncertain. As demonstrated by the migration of affected individuals in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, impacts from storms can disperse refugees from coastal areas to all 50 states, with economic and social costs felt across the country. Sea level rise might reshape the U.S. population distribution...

The Atlantic

[dobrojim]

^ the most existential threat that we face

[DCZards]

^ the most existential threat that we face

..and we have a clown president who just said he doesn't believe the climate change report that his administration came out with. Just like he doesn't believe our intelligence agencies on Russian meddling in the election or the CIA on the Saudi's involvement in the murder of the journalist. Amazing!

[queridiculo]

Are we supposed to be impressed that you work a full time job? You seem to harp on this quite a bit. I really don't see anyone else on this board bragging that they are employed. Seems like the bar is set kind of low.

The established narrative is that liberals don't work, are irresponsible, want everything for free and lack the accountability gene, keep up!

[daoneandonly]

Are we supposed to be impressed that you work a full time job? You seem to harp on this quite a bit. I really don't see anyone else on this board bragging that they are employed. Seems like the bar is set kind of low.

No thats actually my point, it's not some huge feat and can easily be done. So why don't more ppl just do it instead of being lazy and expect others to pay their way, health insurance, contraception,. etc?

Current unemployment is 3.7%. Lots of people working now.

Indeed, which means 96.3% of people can afford contraception, so we can defund PP. 96.3% of ppl can pay their own way for certain things the government does not have to continually support. I got a lecture about how unfair the Senate is because it goes by land mass and not population, particularly related to Cali, well this is majority too.

[Pointgod]

So yes GM is closing down factories in the US.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiBuavY5fLeAhXlUt8KHRMDAu0QzPwBegQIARAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2018%2F11%2F26%2Fbusiness%2Fgm-oshawa-plant%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw08XDoiluFSkUPceZmk44Iy&ust=1543346986311862

Unless there’s a Warren Michigan in Mexico. And yes Trumps idiotic tariffs contributed to the closings. Good thing they got that tax cut!

[pancakes3]

No thats actually my point, it's not some huge feat and can easily be done. So why don't more ppl just do it instead of being lazy and expect others to pay their way, health insurance, contraception,. etc?

Current unemployment is 3.7%. Lots of people working now.

Indeed, which means 96.3% of people can afford contraception, so we can defund PP. 96.3% of ppl can pay their own way for certain things the government does not have to continually support. I got a lecture about how unfair the Senate is because it goes by land mass and not population, particularly related to Cali, well this is majority too.

popular rule is predicated on enacting what the majority of what people *want* and not *are*

someone can be able to afford a good/service and still believe that it is the role of the government to provide it - like k12 education.

[Wizardspride]

^ the most existential threat that we face

..and we have a clown president who just said he doesn't believe the climate change report that his administration came out with. Just like he doesn't believe our intelligence agencies on Russian meddling in the election or the CIA on the Saudi's involvement in the murder of the journalist. Amazing!

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[Sedale Threatt]

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